Aquaponics Digest - Wed 07/18/01
Message 1: Re: Fish Species for Aquaponics
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 2: Re: Fish Species for Aquaponics
from kris book
Message 3: Research in Canada
from "Pete and Diana Scholtens"
Message 4: Re: Research in Canada
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 5: To the Al's out there. from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 6: Bed dimensions vs gravel size
from "Leslie Ter Morshuizen"
Message 7: Re: To the Al's out there. from "Arlos"
Message 8: Re: Iron in Fish Water
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 9: Re: Research in Canada
from Peggy & Emmett
Message 10: Re: Iron in Fish Water
from Peggy & Emmett
Message 11: Re: Fish Species compatibility
from "Chris Jeppesen"
Message 12: Discouraging advice
from Lynn Wigglesworth
Message 13: Re: To the Al's out there. from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce
Schreiber)
Message 14: RE: Discouraging advice
from "billevans"
Message 15: RE: To the Al's out there. from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 16: Can't find the fish your looking for?
from "Thomas Short"
Message 17: Re: Discouraging advice
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce
Schreiber)
Message 18: RE: Jai in the Islands
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce
Schreiber)
Message 19: Nutria
from "Ada Erickson"
Message 20: Re: Discouraging advice
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 21: Re: Can't find the fish your looking for?
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 22: Re: Nutria
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 23: newbie questions
from "Richard & Faye"
Message 24: RE: Fish Species for Aquaponics
from "Nelson and Pade"
Message 25: RE: Discouraging advice
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 26: Re: Iron in Fish Water
from Gordon Watkins
Message 27: Re: Fish Species for Aquaponics
from Gordon Watkins
Message 28: Warm water species in a cold climate
from Lynn Wigglesworth
Message 29: RE: Discouraging advice
from "Ron Brooks"
Message 30: unsubscribe
from "peter algra"
Message 31: Other Lists
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 32: Re: newbie questions
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 33: Re: Nutria
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce
Schreiber)
Message 34: Re: Nutria
from "Ada Erickson"
Message 35: Re: Nutria
from "KenHale"
Message 36: RE: Fish Species (bluegill questions)
from "Wells, Mark CAR"
Message 37: Re: Nutria
from "Ada Erickson"
Message 38: Re: Nutria
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce
Schreiber)
Message 39: Off topic(Ada's fault) Nutria
from Peggy & Emmett
Message 40: Off topic (my fault) Nutria
from "Ada Erickson"
Message 41: Re: Fish Species (bluegill questions)
from Gordon Watkins
Message 42: Re: Fish Species (bluegill questions)
from dbenhart 'at' essex1.com (David Benhart)
Message 43: Re: Off topic(Ada's fault) Nutria
from "TGTX"
Message 44: Re: Other Lists
from kris book
Message 45: Re: Discouraging advice
from "Arlos"
Message 46: New to the list
from "Marcia Wilson"
Message 47: cornell short course
from "Sunpeer"
Message 48: unsubscribe
from "Alexander Hicks"
Message 49: Re: New to the list
from "Ada Erickson"
Message 50: Re: Warm water species in a cold climate
from "Arlos"
Message 51: Re: Nutria
from "Arlos"
Message 52: Re: Fish Species (bluegill questions)
from "Chris Jeppesen"
Message 53: Re: Nutria
from "TGTX"
Message 54: Re: To the Al's out there. from James Robert Igou
Message 55: Re: To the Al's out there. from marc 'at' aculink.net
Message 56: Re: Nutria
from "Ada Erickson"
Message 57: Re: Fish Species (bluegill questions)
from Gordon Watkins
Message 58: Re: Fish Species (bluegill questions)
from Gordon Watkins
Message 59: Re: Fish Species (bluegill questions)
from dbenhart 'at' essex1.com (David Benhart)
Message 60: Penance - Growing Potatoes
from "Ada Erickson"
Message 61: Re: To the Al's out there. from "TGTX"
Message 62: Heating
from "Ada Erickson"
Message 63: RE: To the Al's out there. from "billevans"
Message 64: Re: Other Lists
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 65: Re: Nutria
from "Laura Dalton"
Message 66: Re: Nutria
from "Ada Erickson"
Message 67: Re: Heating
from "bennett"
Message 68: Publications:, was Re: Heating
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 69: (no subject)
from Crighton
Message 70: Re: Fish Species for Aquaponics
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 71: Re: To the Al's out there. from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 72: Re: Fish Species compatibility
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 73: Re: Discouraging advice
from "Leslie Ter Morshuizen"
Message 74: Nutria
from "Leslie Ter Morshuizen"
Message 75: Re: Southern Greenhouse Vegetable Growers
Association Meeting
from "JAlan Aufderheide"
| Message 1
Subject: Re: Fish Species for Aquaponics
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:09:24 -0500
Hi Rebecca,
Have you tried Pacu? I'm going to be raising these
very shortly in my
recirc. system. They are supposed to be very good,
hardy as Tilapia and
growth records show them to exceed Tilapia. Just a
thought.
I can hardly wait to have the Pacu in my "system" and
Hybrid Bluegills in my
pond. Really, really looking forward to this.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nelson and Pade"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 1:27 PM
Subject: RE: Fish Species for Aquaponics
>Asking anyone if they have tried fish other than
Tilapia with any
>success,,,,I refer to Peacock Bass or the Giant
Hybrid Blue Gill,,,I >>am
in
>South Florida,,very warm here,,, Jason
Since we aren't allowed by the state (California) to
have tilapia we've
cultured other species. I've successfully raised
large mouth bass,
crappies, koi and goldfish in 500 gal. aquaponic
systems. Currently, I am
working with the local high school where they are
raising white sturgeon in
their aquaponic system. Non of these species are as
hardy as tilapia but,
for the most part, they do well and all of them sell
at a decent price.
Rebecca
| Message 2
Subject: Re: Fish Species for Aquaponics
From: kris book
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 23:20:31 -0600
Steve,
Have you tasted or filleted pacu, or both
kris
| Message 3
Subject: Research in Canada
From: "Pete and Diana Scholtens"
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 23:15:52 -0700
I copied this from the mayhillpress HYDRO1 - FREE
Newsletter
BOQ
Aquaponic research is conducted mostly in the US,
Australia and Canada.
However, an important facility is located at the
University of the Virgin
Islands at St. Croix. This facility is a happy choice
because it has been
set up especially for tropic areas where fish are
becoming scarce and where
fresh vegetables are hard to come by.
EOQ
Does anyone know where the Canadian research referred
to is being done?
Thanks.
Pete Scholtens
Langley, BC
| Message 4
Subject: Re: Research in Canada
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 02:58:02 -0700
Pete and Diana Scholtens wrote:
>
> Does anyone know where the Canadian research
referred to is being done?
>
> Thanks.
> Pete Scholtens
> Langley, BC
Look here Pete
.
http://www.ceed.ednet.ns.ca/How/links_ceed.php?op=viewslink&sid=24
top link
http://www.aquaponics.com/articlefutureaqua.htm
There is also someone over in Quebec, (on this list :)
ahem ahem) and
someone over in Ontario
. that I know of,
http://www.eagle.ca/~nba/success3.htm
I have been here twice.I dont know that Chris is back
on this list
. I
know he was quite busy recently.
Hope this inspires.
Mike.
JAMAICA
| Message 5
Subject: To the Al's out there.From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 02:59:12 -0500
>OK I've had enough.
>Please get me off the list ASAP.
There is no need to rush off, Al. This list
or any
other is what you make of it. If you haven't seen the
answers to things you wanted to know, all you have to
do
is ask
have you? If the volume of mail is
overwhelming,
have you tried setting your filters for only subjects
or
authors you are interested in? There are commercial
growers here. But this list can't be just a
commercial
one or an academic one. Aquaponics needs to be in
schools.
It needs to be in homes. It needs to be a part of
restoring
our family farms. I have never been in a place where I
could
talk to such knowledgeable people from so many walks
of life and so
many far off places. The list needs to be just that.
A list
of the people exchanging knowledge, experience,
creative thoughts and
lending support
.even inspiration. You can't exclude
the
homeschool mom any more than the commercial grower
trying
to make a living. You can't say that what may seem
off topic
to you, may not help another in some way.
To some, the thread about animal heat in old
Europe may
have been an irrelevant topic about history that they
should not
have been bothered with. But to me, it was a look at
ancient
use of solar energy. The radiant energy that makes up
a cows
huge body is the same solar energy that gave life to
the grass it ate.
Now we are using fish tanks as the storage for that
energy.
To some, my post about Joel Salatin's books
about farming to
Miriam may have been off topic, but a curious reader
would find them to be
some of the best books there are on things like value
adding, relationship
marketing
.educating your market about healthy food.
There is
no better marketer in agriculture. Anyone can benefit
from how he
educates, builds relationships with his customers,
uses creative
marketing methods and most of all, how he works within
the natural
systems and turns that into dollars.
So you see, you never know what may be of
value or interest. This
place would not be the same without that aspect of it.
You can gain
from that if wanted to. If ALL you want is relevant
info, there are
search engines, universities and consultants. I
prefer to learn AND
be a part of something larger than aquaponics itself.
I can only
get that here. The collective and eclectic body that
make up this
group are a part of a much needed change. It feels
good to be a part
of that. The friendly and sometimes humorous nature
of the group
makes it approachable and less intimidating to the
"little guy/girl".
I wouldn't change it. My delete key works if things
get out of hand.
Good Luck, Al. I hope you find what you are looking
for. Sorry for
the long post.
Mark
| Message 6
Subject: Bed dimensions vs gravel size
From: "Leslie Ter Morshuizen"
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:06:43 +0200
Hi all
I have a question relating to the plant beds. I
realise the perfect answer
will differ for distinct systems, but I am looking for
a happy medium (pun
intended).
What is the optimal ratio of gravel size, bed surface
area and bed depth,
given a system of draining and refilling the beds at
frequent intervals?
i.e. if smaller diameter gravel were used more plant
roots could presumably
be housed per unit volume, implying that the bed could
be shallower. Due to
improved water retention, the bed could also be
watered less frequently if
the gravel were of a smaller size. The down side is
that the bed would tend
to block more rapidly as particle diameter decreases.
There must be an
optimal for gravel size and bed dimensions for use
with a wide range of
plant species/varieties.
Is anyone aware of work done on the relationship
between bed particle size
and water exchange rate?
Thank you,
Leslie
| Message 7
Subject: Re: To the Al's out there.From: "Arlos"
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 05:24:27 -0700
Mark,
Great post couldn't have said it better!!!!!
Arlos
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Allen Wells
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 12:59 AM
Subject: To the Al's out there.
>
| Message 8
Subject: Re: Iron in Fish Water
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:29:07 -0500
Just in case this is an issue for anybody, I believe
that chelated
iron is a no-no for organic certification.
> Iron Chelate is the
> way to go for readily available iron for your
plants.
| Message 9
Subject: Re: Research in Canada
From: Peggy & Emmett
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 08:40:09 -0400
At 11:15 PM 7/17/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>
>Does anyone know where the Canadian research referred
to is being done?
>
>Thanks.
>Pete Scholtens
>Langley, BC
>
No research but a functioning business in West
Chezzetcook, Nova Scotia
(Halifax).
Emmett
| Message 10
Subject: Re: Iron in Fish Water
From: Peggy & Emmett
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 08:59:31 -0400
At 07:29 AM 7/18/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>Just in case this is an issue for anybody, I believe
that chelated
>iron is a no-no for organic certification.
>
>> Iron Chelate is the
>> way to go for readily available iron for your
plants.
>
You're correct Adriana.
CHELATES:
Acceptable if chelating agent is from a natural
source. Lignosulphates are
acceptable. Natural chelating agents include citric
acid, malic acid,
tartaric acid, and other di- and tri- acids.
.Emmett
| Message 11
Subject: Re: Fish Species compatibility
From: "Chris Jeppesen"
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 06:01:03 -0700
Steve
The state of Utah regulates blue gill. They tell me
where i can by them. So I got all I could get from a
supplier in Brigham city (40). He usually imports them
from arkansas but the state now prohits that so he
siened his pond for all he had.
It was a two hour drive home and I killed about 26 on
the way home.
a week latter now I only see 3-4 at any given time.
But there might be more in a 800 gal tank.
I can get more in La Sal Ut It is a four and a half
hour drive and the fellow is on vacation in new jersy
with his grand kids. for another 2 weeks.
Aquaculture is the fastest growing segment of
agriculture but the state of Utah is completly out of
the loop. The grower in brigham agrees. It cost him
$130. to certify with the state to sell me $30. worth
of blue Gill.
I was unsure of even trying the blue gill but my
brother in law ( a wild life biologest for the blm In
Oregon) thought the would do well.
Now I'm thinking of Pacu they are like gold fish and
koi, unregulated.
I don't know if I can keep them warm enough in the
winter.
Hum.
Chris
>Are these fingerlings from Kens's fish farm or did
you buy them locally?
>
>SS
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Chris Jeppesen"
>To:
>Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 10:23 AM
>Subject: Fish Species compatibility
>
>
>I'm putting some blue gill fingerlings in my tank
with large goldfish and
>Koi.
>Am I looking for trouble.
>Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
| Message 12
Subject: Discouraging advice
From: Lynn Wigglesworth
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:29:23 -0400
Hi everyone. I e-mailed the Pennsylvania state
'coordinator' on aquaculture
about my ideas to raise redclaw or blue crab and asked
his advice. First he
says that neither species has a "proven track record"
in tank culture, so
he discourages me from raising either. So how do they
*get* a track record
if everyone is told not to bother raising them?? Being
told that something
isn't a good idea never discourages *me* (even the
$150 breeder license
didn't discourage me), but this part did (except from
the PA aquaculture
coordinator's email):
>A closed (recirc) system must not have any
possibility of water (whether
>from cleaning or spillage) going into the natural
waters of the
>Commonwealth. The easiest way to deal with this on a
small level is to have
>concrete floors with all drains connected to a
municipal sewage.
A concrete floor is more than I had in mind (I was
thinking pea gravel),
and we are miles from the nearest municipal sewage
hookup. What's a poor
hobbist to do?
Lynn Wigglesworth
Peasant Farmer
Tioga County, PA
| Message 13
Subject: Re: To the Al's out there.From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:39:29 -0500 (CDT)
The Al's out there seem to be vertical thinkers so
walking in this list
might be uncomfortable for them yet they fail to
realize the creative
nature of such thinking Aquaponics is a result of such
thinking .So was
Christopher Columbuses voyage and other great break
throughs in our
past like flight. If you just lurk on this list you
will learn a little
but if you ask questions about any thing you focus our
attention to your
preferred subject mater as if you have typed it into a
Oracle machine
you learn faster than if you just lurk.
Did we not all learn as children Its faster to
ask for a bottle
than to cry until we get one and more certain to
Bruce
| Message 14
Subject: RE: Discouraging advice
From: "billevans"
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 08:07:06 -0700
i doubt your pea gravel drains into the "waters of the
commonwealth" unless
they're talking about groundwater pollution>>>
thinking the risk is excess
nitrates/phosphates getting into the
groundwater/drinkingwater
. or is the
percieved risk the threat of introducing one or both
of these critters into
the wild?
-bille---Original Message-----
Hi everyone. I e-mailed the Pennsylvania state
'coordinator' on aquaculture
about my ideas to raise redclaw or blue crab and asked
his advice.
Lynn Wigglesworth
Peasant Farmer
Tioga County, PA
| Message 15
Subject: RE: To the Al's out there.From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:26:54 -0500
Exactly Bruce,
I knew the creative (sometimes lateral) thinkers here
would understand
my post. When you open your eyes and allow yourself
to look at things
differently, the possibilities are endless. If Nikola
Tesla had seen
things the same as Edison, we may not have had AC
electricity.
The Al's complain of the time it takes to go through
mail. It took me
an hour to write him. I've spent more time than that
looking through search
engines for people. You, Arlos, Mike, Ted
.and all
of us that take the
time to respond to even the simplest of questions are
what makes it work.
thanks guys,
Mark
The Al's out there seem to be vertical thinkers so
walking in this list
might be uncomfortable for them yet they fail to
realize the creative
nature of such thinking Aquaponics is a result of such
thinking .So was
Christopher Columbuses voyage and other great break
throughs in our
past like flight. If you just lurk on this list you
will learn a little
but if you ask questions about any thing you focus our
attention to your
preferred subject mater as if you have typed it into a
Oracle machine
you learn faster than if you just lurk.
Did we not all learn as children Its faster to
ask for a bottle
than to cry until we get one and more certain to
Bruce
| Message 16
Subject: Can't find the fish your looking for?
From: "Thomas Short"
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 08:24:47 -0700
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| Message 17
Subject: Re: Discouraging advice
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:55:28 -0500 (CDT)
Lynn If I get a replie like the one that you received
I just disreguard
it .It does not applie to a hobbiest operation like
you want at least
not untill you get big and start selling truck loads
when you will
attract their attencian .I would try the fresh water
Redclaws first if I
were you unless you have axis to salt or Geothermal
water because any
way you dispose of the waist salt water will damage
your soil you will
be salting your soil making your garden into a desert
Bruce
| Message 18
Subject: RE: Jai in the Islands
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:23:06 -0500 (CDT)
Jai 125_ I lost your Question but about the nutria
they are huge aquatic
rats about he size of Beaver and were first brought to
the US for fur
farming were they got loose .The mother Nutria has
tits on its back at
about the shoulder area so it's young can nurse while
swimming.
Bruce
| Message 19
Subject: Nutria
From: "Ada Erickson"
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:31:08 -0700
Nutria are SO UGLY!
They can get extremely large (3 feet long) and they
have an ugly rat tale.
They prey on ducks and fish, and farmers here in
Oregon send their kids out
to shoot them. Sometimes, they run around hunting
them at night when they
don't have anything better to do, kind of like an
Australian kanga hunting
party.
If you've ever seen "The Princess Bride" there are
"Rats of Unusually Large
Size" in the fire swamp, and that's about what a
nutria is.
Blech.
Ada Erickson
www.primadonnasrevenge.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Schreiber"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 9:23 AM
Subject: RE: Jai in the Islands
> Jai 125_ I lost your Question but about the nutria
they are huge aquatic
> rats about he size of Beaver and were first brought
to the US for fur
> farming were they got loose .The mother Nutria has
tits on its back at
> about the shoulder area so it's young can nurse
while swimming.
> Bruce
>
>
| Message 20
Subject: Re: Discouraging advice
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:36:50 -0500
At 10:29 AM 07/18/2001 -0400, Lynn wrote:
>Being told that something
>isn't a good idea never discourages *me* (even the
$150 breeder license
>didn't discourage me), but this part did (except from
the PA aquaculture
>coordinator's email):
>>A closed (recirc) system must not have any
possibility of water (whether
>>from cleaning or spillage) going into the natural
waters of the
>>Commonwealth. The easiest way to deal with this on
a small level is to have
>>concrete floors with all drains connected to a
municipal sewage.
Lynn -- I wouldn't over-react to this statement. It's
probably not an
official regulation about the concrete floor, but an
effort to prevent
exotics from entering the state's waters to compete
with natives. As long
as you can demonstrate that your system is closed,
with any drains emptying
either into a closed system or without risk to your
ponds, creeks, etc., you
should have no problem.
Outdoor ponds for aquaculture can sometimes overflow,
causing run-off into
open waters; and the disruption caused by exotics to
the "natural order of
things" has caused many states to impose restrictions
such as this. We've
had no problems with our system, and the closest thing
we'd have to a
violation (according to the above statement) would be
that our floor drain
empties into a field. It is far below pond level,
though, and many acres
from any creeks. It would take quite a flood for
anything to make the jump,
assuming the "escape" was made during the same period.
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO
65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
| Message 21
Subject: Re: Can't find the fish your looking for?
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:38:12 -0500
At 08:24 AM 07/18/2001 -0700, Thomas wrote:
>Check this out http://www.aquafind.com/search.html
Thanks, Thomas -- Looks like quite an extensive
listing.
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO
65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
| Message 22
Subject: Re: Nutria
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:51:26 -0700
Ada Erickson wrote:
>
> Nutria are SO UGLY!
>
See
http://images.zoonet.org/wqe/jackson/pictures/nutria.jpg
Mike
JAMAICA
| Message 23
Subject: newbie questions
From: "Richard & Faye"
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:57:27 -0500
Hi
I have been following the list for a couple of months
now and would like to
make one statement and than ask a couple of questions.
Statement
I really appreciate everyone that
contributes to this list. If
has taken my wife off on many web searches for just
about everything from
pea gravel to exotic plants. Will admit some of it
goes over my head, but I
am a fast learner and always enjoyed a new challenge.
I am locate about 12 miles from one of the Midwest
major resort communities,
Lake of the Ozarks. During the summer we average over
100,000 cars pasting
our area a day. Anyway the questions.
1) What would be a good size greenhouse to begin
aquaponics in? We
presently have a 26 x 48 homemade one that we are
growing lettuce, tomatoes,
peppers, and strawberries in a hydroponic system. Our
plans are to
construct, purchase, at one greenhouse for next
spring.
2) Considering are location what crops would you
suggest?
I will have many additional questions, but will stop
for now. In advance I
thank you for sharing your wisdom or opinions with us.
Richard & Faye
| Message 24
Subject: RE: Fish Species for Aquaponics
From: "Nelson and Pade"
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:09:56 -0700
No I haven't. I'll be interested to see how they do in
your system. Good
luck.
Rebecca Nelson
Nelson/Pade Multimedia - Aquaponics Journal
www.aquaponics.com
tel: 209-742-6869 fax: 209-742-4402
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com
> [mailto:aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com]On Behalf Of
STEVE SPRING
> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 10:09 PM
> To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
> Subject: Re: Fish Species for Aquaponics
>
>
> Hi Rebecca,
>
> Have you tried Pacu? I'm going to be raising these
very shortly in my
> recirc. system. They are supposed to be very good,
hardy as Tilapia and
> growth records show them to exceed Tilapia. Just a
thought.
>
> I can hardly wait to have the Pacu in my "system"
and Hybrid
> Bluegills in my
> pond. Really, really looking forward to this.
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nelson and Pade"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 1:27 PM
> Subject: RE: Fish Species for Aquaponics
>
>
> >Asking anyone if they have tried fish other than
Tilapia with any
> >success,,,,I refer to Peacock Bass or the Giant
Hybrid Blue Gill,,,I >>am
> in
> >South Florida,,very warm here,,, Jason
>
> Since we aren't allowed by the state (California) to
have tilapia we've
> cultured other species. I've successfully raised
large mouth bass,
> crappies, koi and goldfish in 500 gal. aquaponic
systems. Currently, I am
> working with the local high school where they are
raising white
> sturgeon in
> their aquaponic system. Non of these species are as
hardy as tilapia but,
> for the most part, they do well and all of them sell
at a decent price.
>
> Rebecca
>
>
>
>
>
| Message 25
Subject: RE: Discouraging advice
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:33:10 -0500
Lynn,
When I began inquiring about using zebra mussels to
our department of natural resources, they told me it
would require submitting a proposal outlining
everything
I was doing with them and if approved, they could
issue
an exotic species permit. They said I may have to
"jump through a few hoops" but it was possible. You
may
also have to jump through a few hoops but don't give
up
yet. If you are not close to receiving waters I would
think it could be worked out. Bruce is right too.
The
scale of what you are doing may have some bearing on
it.
hang in there.Mark
| Message 26
Subject: Re: Iron in Fish Water
From: Gordon Watkins
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:38:07 -0500
It depends on the chelating agent. EDTA is prohibited
but lignosulfates
are permitted. Peaceful Valley Farm Supply has various
lignosulfate
chelated minerals for soil use. I have no idea how
they might perform in
aquatic environments, but I have used a couple of iron
products on
citrus in my aquaponic system with no obvious
detrimental effects.
Gordon Watkins
gutierrez-lagatta wrote:
> Just in case this is an issue for anybody, I believe
that chelated
> iron is a no-no for organic certification.
>
> > Iron Chelate is the
> > way to go for readily available iron for your
plants.
| Message 27
Subject: Re: Fish Species for Aquaponics
From: Gordon Watkins
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:49:39 -0500
I've raised and eaten pacu from our aquaponic system
and found them fast
growing, hardy, and good tasting for a soft-fleshed
fish. They don't have firm,
flaky meat like tilapia or bluegill and they do have
floating "Y" bones that
cannot be filleted away, but they are very rich and
buttery. Black pacu are the
ones to look for. They get up to 20 lbs. My problem
with them, as with tilapia,
is that they are tropical and thrive and grow best in
high temps (80-90 F.),
which can be expensive to maintain. I now grow
cold-water species only, with an
emphasis on hybrid bluegill. Look through the archives
for previous discussions
on pacu.
Gordon Watkins
STEVE SPRING wrote:
> Hi Rebecca,
>
> Have you tried Pacu? I'm going to be raising these
very shortly in my
> recirc. system. They are supposed to be very good,
hardy as Tilapia and
> growth records show them to exceed Tilapia. Just a
thought.
>
> I can hardly wait to have the Pacu in my "system"
and Hybrid Bluegills in my
> pond. Really, really looking forward to this.
>
> Steve
>
| Message 28
Subject: Warm water species in a cold climate
From: Lynn Wigglesworth
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:10:17 -0400
I'm still thinking about Australian redclaw crayfish.
My biggest concern is
keeping them warm (above 70 degrees) in the winter
here in northern
Pennsylvania. They would be in a large tank in a
greenhouse with
double-wall polycarbonate glazing; I'm also thinking
of winter insulation
like they use on some calf barns (layers of clear
plastic sealed
together
.kind of like bubble wrap) that gives a
couple more r-value plus
the air space between that and the greenhouse glazing.
I'm also thinking of
hay bales stacked against the north and west (windy)
side in the winter.
Obviously the tank could be kept covered, and I could
use a tank heater.
But
.is all this futile? Will the cost of heating be
far more than the
value of the redclaw? Is anyone else dealing with warm
water species in a
cold climate? Can you grow enough vegetables to offset
the cost of the
heat? Is trying it for a winter the only way to find
out if it works and
how much it costs?
Also; crayfish are bottom dwellers. Could I use a
deeper tank (3'?) and
raise a second 'layer' of warm water fish, like
tilapia? I understand that
the crayfish will eat any smaller fish they can catch,
but will enough fish
stay at their own level to make it worthwhile?
One more question. I've been concentrating so much on
the critter end that
I forgot that I know nothing about growing plants
hydroponically. For
example, how do you start seeds in a hydroponic
system? Any good starter
books on hydroponics? I'm too much a dirt
farmer
.it's taking a while to
shift gears!
Lynn Wigglesworth
Peasant Farmer
Tioga County, PA
| Message 29
Subject: RE: Discouraging advice
From: "Ron Brooks"
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:01:53 -0400
Lynn
Ohio has something similar
one of the ways that more than satisfies the
requirement is to have the
greenhouse drain into a large gravel sump. with the
discharge pipe 2 feet
below the top of the sump.
as long as the discharge opening is not on the surface
there really should
be no problem
Ron
The One Who Walks Two Paths
->
-> At 10:29 AM 07/18/2001 -0400, Lynn wrote:
->
->
->
-> >>A closed (recirc) system must not have any
possibility of
-> water (whether
-> >>from cleaning or spillage) going into the natural
waters of the
-> >>Commonwealth. The easiest way to deal with this
on a small
-> level is to have
-> >>concrete floors with all drains connected to a
municipal sewage.
->
->
| Message 30
Subject: unsubscribe
From: "peter algra"
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:08:23
unsubscribe
| Message 31
Subject: Other Lists
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:38:36 -0700
Ok friends here goes
.I had written a few mails
yesterday and
WHAM
.power cut
.!! Deflated me just a bit
had to
remind maself I
couldnt change what wasnt meant to be.Here are a few lists that I have or have been
connected to.My advice to you is to send a message to these lists
with a subscribe in
the message. MOst of them will then bounce with
correct subscription
messages. I dont remember all the subscription
codes
. sorry.
Go to egroups.com and there you can do a search for
almost any theme
your heart desires
Good listing!!
Mike
JAMAICA
aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
microhydro 'at' yahoogroups.com
hydrolist 'at' hydroponics.org
digestion 'at' crest.org
AQUARIUM 'at' LISTSERV.CC.EMORY.EDU
tilapia 'at' yahoogroups.com
homestead 'at' listserv.unc.edu
bioenergy 'at' crest.org
bioconversion 'at' crest.org,
gasification 'at' crest.org,
digestion 'at' crest.org
greenbuilding 'at' crest.org
stoves 'at' crest.org
facilitiesengineers 'at' mainzone.com
mycology 'at' egroups.com>,
,
> Hi
>
> I have been following the list for a couple of
months now and would like to
> make one statement and than ask a couple of
questions.
>>
> Richard & Faye
| Message 33
Subject: Re: Nutria
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:02:37 -0500 (CDT)
Yes Nutria are ugli and they are very successful
exotics eating up our
coastal salt marshes at ungodly rates but on the
bright side their fur
is valuable and their meat is good eating so the
substance minded folks
learn how to live with them and off of them as if they
were free range
pigs .The bull sharks are a natural new predator of
them in the US
waters and any thing the shark mistakes for one is in
for a weight loss
situation .
Bruce
| Message 34
Subject: Re: Nutria
From: "Ada Erickson"
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 13:11:51 -0700
People eat nutria?!?!
That is so gross
. I kind of mentally clump nutria in
with possum, rats,
squirrels in my mind.
They seem to be hardy creatures, though, flourishing
despite farmer's
vendetta.
Do you think they will ever be farmed for meat and
fur? It seems to me that
they would be happy eating fish heads and other
leftovers from fish
filleting. Maybe they could be a part of the animal
warmth model.
Ada Erickson
www.primadonnasrevenge.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Schreiber"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: Nutria
> Yes Nutria are ugli and they are very successful
exotics eating up our
> coastal salt marshes at ungodly rates but on the
bright side their fur
> is valuable and their meat is good eating so the
substance minded folks
> learn how to live with them and off of them as if
they were free range
> pigs .The bull sharks are a natural new predator of
them in the US
> waters and any thing the shark mistakes for one is
in for a weight loss
> situation .
> Bruce
>
>
| Message 35
Subject: Re: Nutria
From: "KenHale"
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:18:39 -0500
Nutria were stocked into our part of Texas many years
ago by Texas
Parks/Wildlife. It was a major-major mistake. Think
this over before you
move in that direction.
Subject: Re: Nutria
> People eat nutria?!?!
>
> That is so gross
. I kind of mentally clump nutria
in with possum, rats,
> squirrels in my mind.
>
> They seem to be hardy creatures, though, flourishing
despite farmer's
> vendetta.
>
> Do you think they will ever be farmed for meat and
fur? It seems to me
that
> they would be happy eating fish heads and other
leftovers from fish
> filleting. Maybe they could be a part of the animal
warmth model.
>
>
> Ada Erickson
> www.primadonnasrevenge.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce Schreiber"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 1:02 PM
> Subject: Re: Nutria
>
>
> > Yes Nutria are ugli and they are very successful
exotics eating up our
> > coastal salt marshes at ungodly rates but on the
bright side their fur
> > is valuable and their meat is good eating so the
substance minded folks
> > learn how to live with them and off of them as if
they were free range
> > pigs .The bull sharks are a natural new predator
of them in the US
> > waters and any thing the shark mistakes for one is
in for a weight loss
> > situation .
> > Bruce
> >
> >
>
>
| Message 36
Subject: RE: Fish Species (bluegill questions)
From: "Wells, Mark CAR"
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:27:10 -0400
>
. I now grow cold-water species only, with an
emphasis on hybrid
bluegill.
Gordon,
I am just starting in aquaponics using my aquariums in
the basement until my greenhouse is built. The water
temps stay around 73 degrees so I decided to try
hydrid
bluegill (male bluegill x female green sunfish) also.
They are popular here and easy for me to get in small
quanities.
I added my first fingerlings a few days ago. More
will
be added when the system is established and
stabilized.
How are the hybrid bluegill working out for you? Are
stocking
densities similar to tilapia? Are growth rates?
thanks in advance.Mark
| Message 37
Subject: Re: Nutria
From: "Ada Erickson"
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 13:28:56 -0700
I don't think I ever would. Nutria give me the
gross-outs. I am thinking
that perhaps they are an animal of outstanding value,
like a chicken or a
pig, and the more cutting edge (and brave) farmers
might try it out.
What kind of nutria-related damage do you see?
(sorry for the off-topic)
Ada Erickson
www.primadonnasrevenge.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "KenHale"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: Nutria
> Nutria were stocked into our part of Texas many
years ago by Texas
> Parks/Wildlife. It was a major-major mistake.
Think this over before you
> move in that direction.
> Subject: Re: Nutria
>
>
> > People eat nutria?!?!
> >
> > That is so gross
. I kind of mentally clump
nutria in with possum,
rats,
> > squirrels in my mind.
> >
> > They seem to be hardy creatures, though,
flourishing despite farmer's
> > vendetta.
> >
> > Do you think they will ever be farmed for meat and
fur? It seems to me
> that
> > they would be happy eating fish heads and other
leftovers from fish
> > filleting. Maybe they could be a part of the
animal warmth model.
> >
> >
> > Ada Erickson
> > www.primadonnasrevenge.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bruce Schreiber"
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 1:02 PM
> > Subject: Re: Nutria
> >
> >
> > > Yes Nutria are ugli and they are very successful
exotics eating up our
> > > coastal salt marshes at ungodly rates but on the
bright side their fur
> > > is valuable and their meat is good eating so the
substance minded
folks
> > > learn how to live with them and off of them as
if they were free range
> > > pigs .The bull sharks are a natural new predator
of them in the US
> > > waters and any thing the shark mistakes for one
is in for a weight
loss
> > > situation .
> > > Bruce
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
| Message 38
Subject: Re: Nutria
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:50:40 -0500 (CDT)
Ada nutria are escapes from furfarming at the moment
the northwestern
skins are selling for $5-$6 each from your area in a
nights trapping you
should catch 15 to 30 animals or $75 to $180 worth of
pelts per night
plus about 150 to 300lbs of high quality meat while
at the same time
helping to save our environment from an exotic specie
wipe out. In the
future this will be a very valued Aquacultured animal
indeed to help
feed and cloth our planets growing population
Bruce
| Message 39
Subject: Off topic(Ada's fault) Nutria
From: Peggy & Emmett
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:59:43 -0400
>
>What kind of nutria-related damage do you see?
>
>>Ada Erickson
>www.primadonnasrevenge.com
>
About 18 years ago I flew up to New Orleans for a day
to meet Kay, a cousin
I had never met. She had flown in from LA to show off
her new baby to her
sister Ann. Ann lived in a golf course community
North of New Orleans.
The community was below sea level and the golf course
was one huge water
hazard. Since I flew up for the day, my cousins
wanted to buy me lunch at
Anns high tone club house. So there I sat drinking a
cold foamy and
eating some kind of spicy hot cajun burger when there
appeared a guy with a
bow and arrow sneaking very slowly up to a bridge
that's used by golf
carts. I mean he was 'sneakin'. At about 20 feet or
so from the bridge
he drew back and let an arrow fly into the water. He
waited a second,
stood upright, and with a smile that would guide in an
aircraft, gave a big
"thumbs up". This to the obvious approval of the
nearby golfers. I guess
I said something like "what the hell is he doing?".
Ann, non-plused said,
"He's the nutria hunter". Seems as though nutria
burrow into the banks
under the bridge footings to set up their dens. Along
comes some poor dude
in a golf cart, bridge collapses, dude and golf cart
get wet, and the
club has another expense. What a job! Salaried
nutria killer. Imagine
that on a resume. And how apropos the use of a bow
and arrow. Imagine
just as you swing on that critical putt, BLAM, a gun
goes off.
Emmett
| Message 40
Subject: Off topic (my fault) Nutria
From: "Ada Erickson"
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:03:23 -0700
Hmmm
.nutria on the golf course
.I hope they don't
eat Tigers.
(bad put, I know)
Ada Erickson
www.primadonnasrevenge.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peggy & Emmett"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 2:59 PM
Subject: Off topic(Ada's fault) Nutria
> >
> >What kind of nutria-related damage do you see?
> >
> >>Ada Erickson
> >www.primadonnasrevenge.com
> >
> About 18 years ago I flew up to New Orleans for a
day to meet Kay, a
cousin
> I had never met. She had flown in from LA to show
off her new baby to her
> sister Ann. Ann lived in a golf course community
North of New Orleans.
> The community was below sea level and the golf
course was one huge water
> hazard. Since I flew up for the day, my cousins
wanted to buy me lunch
at
> Anns high tone club house. So there I sat drinking
a cold foamy and
> eating some kind of spicy hot cajun burger when
there appeared a guy with
a
> bow and arrow sneaking very slowly up to a bridge
that's used by golf
> carts. I mean he was 'sneakin'. At about 20 feet
or so from the bridge
> he drew back and let an arrow fly into the water.
He waited a second,
> stood upright, and with a smile that would guide in
an aircraft, gave a
big
> "thumbs up". This to the obvious approval of the
nearby golfers. I
guess
> I said something like "what the hell is he doing?".
Ann, non-plused
said,
> "He's the nutria hunter". Seems as though nutria
burrow into the banks
> under the bridge footings to set up their dens.
Along comes some poor
dude
> in a golf cart, bridge collapses, dude and golf
cart get wet, and the
> club has another expense. What a job! Salaried
nutria killer. Imagine
> that on a resume. And how apropos the use of a bow
and arrow. Imagine
> just as you swing on that critical putt, BLAM, a
gun goes off.
>
Emmett
>
>
| Message 41
Subject: Re: Fish Species (bluegill questions)
From: Gordon Watkins
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:12:37 -0500
Mark,
Bluegills are working out great for me. I'm not
pushing the envelope
on my system, due to a leak which keeps me from
cycling optimally, so my
data on stocking levels, growth rates, feed conversion
etc are not
meaningful, but I haven't lost any to disease or any
other cause since
stocking 300 3 inch fingerlings in my 1,000 gallon
system over a year
ago, and we've been eating some delicious Blackened
Bluegill fillets.
Plus, operating costs are insignificant compared to
trying to maintain
tilapia at 80+ F. year round. My water temps average
60 in the winter
and 75 in the summer and the bluegills feed
ravenously, regardless.
Tilapia attempted under those same conditions were
stressed, went off
feed, developed disease and had high mort. rates. I
like bluegills.
Gordon Watkins
"Wells, Mark CAR" wrote:
> >
. I now grow cold-water species only, with an
emphasis on hybrid
> bluegill.
>
> Gordon,
>
> I am just starting in aquaponics using my aquariums
in
> the basement until my greenhouse is built. The
water
> temps stay around 73 degrees so I decided to try
hydrid
> bluegill (male bluegill x female green sunfish)
also.
> They are popular here and easy for me to get in
small quanities.
> I added my first fingerlings a few days ago. More
will
> be added when the system is established and
stabilized.
>
> How are the hybrid bluegill working out for you?
Are stocking
> densities similar to tilapia? Are growth rates?
>
> thanks in advance.> Mark
| Message 42
Subject: Re: Fish Species (bluegill questions)
From: dbenhart 'at' essex1.com (David Benhart)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:25:30 -0700
Hi Gordon:
What do you feed your Bluegills??
Thank-you Dave Benhart
S+S system with temp problems in winter
NW Illinois
Gordon Watkins wrote:
> Mark,
> Bluegills are working out great for me. I'm not
pushing the envelope
> on my system, due to a leak which keeps me from
cycling optimally, so my
> data on stocking levels, growth rates, feed
conversion etc are not
> meaningful, but I haven't lost any to disease or any
other cause since
> stocking 300 3 inch fingerlings in my 1,000 gallon
system over a year
> ago, and we've been eating some delicious Blackened
Bluegill fillets.
> Plus, operating costs are insignificant compared to
trying to maintain
> tilapia at 80+ F. year round. My water temps average
60 in the winter
> and 75 in the summer and the bluegills feed
ravenously, regardless.
> Tilapia attempted under those same conditions were
stressed, went off
> feed, developed disease and had high mort. rates. I
like bluegills.
>
> Gordon Watkins
>
> "Wells, Mark CAR" wrote:
>
> > >
. I now grow cold-water species only, with an
emphasis on hybrid
> > bluegill.
> >
> > Gordon,
> >
> > I am just starting in aquaponics using my
aquariums in
> > the basement until my greenhouse is built. The
water
> > temps stay around 73 degrees so I decided to try
hydrid
> > bluegill (male bluegill x female green sunfish)
also.
> > They are popular here and easy for me to get in
small quanities.
> > I added my first fingerlings a few days ago. More
will
> > be added when the system is established and
stabilized.
> >
> > How are the hybrid bluegill working out for you?
Are stocking
> > densities similar to tilapia? Are growth rates?
> >
> > thanks in advance.> > Mark
| Message 43
Subject: Re: Off topic(Ada's fault) Nutria
From: "TGTX"
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:26:52 -0500
> club has another expense. What a job! Salaried
nutria killer. Imagine
> that on a resume. And how apropos the use of a bow
and arrow. Imagine
> just as you swing on that critical putt, BLAM, a
gun goes off.
>
Emmett
Think he might have been a Lean, Mean, Nutria Killin'
Machine?.
"Nutria and gophers
You got 'em?, I'll skewer 'em
and roast 'em
"
Ted
Caddy Shack Nutria Ninja
| Message 44
Subject: Re: Other Lists
From: kris book
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:54:57 -0600
Hey everybody,
Don't just click on any of those links that Mike
sent,I was interested in
7 so I sent out posts that said subscribe. Most came
back with address
errors and didn't give directions. I am on my way to
e.groups.com
k
_________________________________
On Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:38:36 -0700
dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com writes:
> Ok friends here goes
.I had written a few mails
yesterday and
> WHAM
.power cut
.!! Deflated me just a bit
had to
remind maself
> I
> couldnt change what wasnt meant to be.> Here are a few lists that I have or have been
connected to.> My advice to you is to send a message to these lists
with a
> subscribe in
> the message.
| Message 45
Subject: Re: Discouraging advice
From: "Arlos"
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:04:07 -0700
-----Original Message-----
From: Lynn Wigglesworth
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 7:31 AM
Subject: Discouraging advice
Lynn,
Adhere to the regs but prove him wrong on the tank
culture point. I think
there is enough support technically and experiencial
to give you the help to
overcome the limitations of a public offical.
Remember
." Those who can,
do. Those who can't, teach and those that can do
neither are doomed to
become building inspectors."
Arlos>
| Message 46
Subject: New to the list
From: "Marcia Wilson"
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:02:32 -0700
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introduce myself. =
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a small scale - 1 =
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another =
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and learning =
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| Message 47
Subject: cornell short course
From: "Sunpeer"
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:16:40 -0400
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any one on the list currently taking the distance
short course from
Cornell???
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| Message 48
Subject: unsubscribe
From: "Alexander Hicks"
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:23:57 -0400
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| Message 49
Subject: Re: New to the list
From: "Ada Erickson"
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:23:08 -0700
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| Message 50
Subject: Re: Warm water species in a cold climate
From: "Arlos"
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:29:04 -0700
Lynn,
Think of your tanks as hot tubs. There is an
expandable foam used around
tubs and as a packing material that has an R value of
over 16. The only
problem is surface temperature loss. To keep a 600
gallon tank at 80 F by my
calc's based on local utility costs here on the
central California coast it
should cost about $15 a month to maintain a steady
temp. A heat pump though
a little pricey to install would at least give you a
mean temp of around 60
F. You can obtain stocking densities with Red claw of
about 50 per square
meter. A 3 ft deep tank is fine but you can maximize
the water column by
creating something like a parking garage. Think
vertically to increase
floor space Use a shade cloth in summer or a cover
that is slightly opaque
and perhaps double insulated acrylic cover in winter.
as red claw seem to
like turbid waters.
Somewhere in a back copy of Popular science was a
recovered oil burner
with EPA approval. this might be the ticket if you are
in a rural area.I'll
see what I can scrape up and send the info.
Arlos
-----Original Message-----
From: Lynn Wigglesworth
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 11:18 AM
Subject: Warm water species in a cold climate
>I'm still thinking about Australian redclaw crayfish.
| Message 51
Subject: Re: Nutria
From: "Arlos"
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:33:47 -0700
Bruce,
I assume there are no Nutria huggers in your neck 'o
the woods?
Arlos
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Schreiber
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: Nutria
Ada nutria are escapes from furfarming at the moment
the northwestern
skins are selling for $5-$6 each from your area in a
nights trapping you
should catch 15 to 30 animals or $75 to $180 worth of
pelts per night
plus about 150 to 300lbs of high quality meat while
at the same time
helping to save our environment from an exotic specie
wipe out. In the
future this will be a very valued Aquacultured animal
indeed to help
feed and cloth our planets growing population
Bruce
| Message 52
Subject: Re: Fish Species (bluegill questions)
From: "Chris Jeppesen"
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:44:37 -0700
Gordon
Are you useing native blue gills or hybrids? You might
have said earlyer but i'm off more than a cog today.
Chris
> Bluegills are working out great for me.
| Message 53
Subject: Re: Nutria
From: "TGTX"
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:04:59 -0500
> > Nutria are SO UGLY!
> See
>
http://images.zoonet.org/wqe/jackson/pictures/nutria.jpg
> Mike
Ah, Nutria
She walks in SUCH BEAUTY, like the night
.How do I
love thee? Let me count
the ways
.
1) Nutria "Medallions" Sauteed in Garlic Lime Cilantro
Ginger Butter.2) Slabs of Nutria Haunch Roasted with Rosemary, Olive
Oil, Coarse Black
Pepper, Kosher Salt, & Chianti.3) Thinly Sliced Nutria Dusted Doused in Vinegrette,
Dusted with Dill
.In
Aspic.4) The Center Stage of a Pot Roast
Like a Toltec
Earthen Mound Surrounded
by Spuds, Onions, Carrots, and Sage.
I think I aspire to GROK this Most Edible Animal.
Ted
| Message 54
Subject: Re: To the Al's out there.From: James Robert Igou
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 20:44:33 -0400 (EDT)
Oh Yeah?
Well Ted could have, but it would have been a
LOT longer and FULL of
impractical ideas. Sorry boys and girls, I couldn't
resist.
BTW - I really do agree that we need to get
everyone we can involved
in aquaculture. Several of our local (DE) High Schools
have programs and I
volunteer my time helping out at one near my home.
Practical and proftable commercial production
methods are
important, but getting people involved and exploring
new ideas is equally
important.
You all take care.
JI
On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, Arlos wrote:
> Mark,
>
> Great post couldn't have said it better!!!!!
>
> Arlos
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Allen Wells
> To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
> Date: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 12:59 AM
> Subject: To the Al's out there.>
>
> >
>
>
>
| Message 55
Subject: Re: To the Al's out there.From: marc 'at' aculink.net
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:45:15 -0600
unsubscribe
Marc Nameth
Mark Allen Wells wrote:
>
> >OK I've had enough.
> >Please get me off the list ASAP.
>
>
> There is no need to rush off, Al. This list
or any
> other is what you make of it. If you haven't seen
the
> answers to things you wanted to know, all you have
to do
> is ask
have you? If the volume of mail is
overwhelming,
> have you tried setting your filters for only
subjects or
> authors you are interested in? There are commercial
> growers here. But this list can't be just a
commercial
> one or an academic one. Aquaponics needs to be in
schools.
> It needs to be in homes. It needs to be a part of
restoring
> our family farms. I have never been in a place where
I could
> talk to such knowledgeable people from so many walks
of life and so
> many far off places. The list needs to be just
that. A list
> of the people exchanging knowledge, experience,
creative thoughts and
> lending support
.even inspiration. You can't
exclude the
> homeschool mom any more than the commercial grower
trying
> to make a living. You can't say that what may seem
off topic
> to you, may not help another in some way.
>
> To some, the thread about animal heat in old
Europe may
> have been an irrelevant topic about history that
they should not
> have been bothered with. But to me, it was a look
at ancient
> use of solar energy. The radiant energy that makes
up a cows
> huge body is the same solar energy that gave life to
the grass it ate.
> Now we are using fish tanks as the storage for that
energy.
>
> To some, my post about Joel Salatin's books
about farming to
> Miriam may have been off topic, but a curious reader
would find them to be
> some of the best books there are on things like
value adding, relationship
> marketing
.educating your market about healthy
food. There is
> no better marketer in agriculture. Anyone can
benefit from how he
> educates, builds relationships with his customers,
uses creative
> marketing methods and most of all, how he works
within the natural
> systems and turns that into dollars.
>
> So you see, you never know what may be of
value or interest. This
> place would not be the same without that aspect of
it. You can gain
> from that if wanted to. If ALL you want is relevant
info, there are
> search engines, universities and consultants. I
prefer to learn AND
> be a part of something larger than aquaponics
itself. I can only
> get that here. The collective and eclectic body
that make up this
> group are a part of a much needed change. It feels
good to be a part
> of that. The friendly and sometimes humorous nature
of the group
> makes it approachable and less intimidating to the
"little guy/girl".
> I wouldn't change it. My delete key works if things
get out of hand.
>
> Good Luck, Al. I hope you find what you are looking
for. Sorry for
> the long post.
>
> Mark
| Message 56
Subject: Re: Nutria
From: "Ada Erickson"
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:53:17 -0700
*gag*
LOL
Don't forget, Pepper and Herb crusted Nutria smoked on
an Alter plank with
fresh semolina gnocchi in a caramelized onion glacé
with a '94 Redland Pinot
Noir.
(I am grossing myself out)
Ada Erickson
www.primadonnasrevenge.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "TGTX"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: Nutria
> > > Nutria are SO UGLY!
> > See
> >
http://images.zoonet.org/wqe/jackson/pictures/nutria.jpg
> > Mike
>
> Ah, Nutria
>
> She walks in SUCH BEAUTY, like the night
.How do I
love thee? Let me
count
> the ways
.>
> 1) Nutria "Medallions" Sauteed in Garlic Lime
Cilantro Ginger Butter.> 2) Slabs of Nutria Haunch Roasted with Rosemary,
Olive Oil, Coarse Black
> Pepper, Kosher Salt, & Chianti.> 3) Thinly Sliced Nutria Dusted Doused in Vinegrette,
Dusted with Dill
.In
> Aspic.> 4) The Center Stage of a Pot Roast
Like a Toltec
Earthen Mound
Surrounded
> by Spuds, Onions, Carrots, and Sage.>
> I think I aspire to GROK this Most Edible Animal.
>
> Ted
>
>
| Message 57
Subject: Re: Fish Species (bluegill questions)
From: Gordon Watkins
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:55:30 -0500
They're hybrids I buy off the fish truck.
Gordon Watkins
Chris Jeppesen wrote:
> Gordon
> Are you useing native blue gills or hybrids? You
might have said earlyer but i'm off more than a cog
today.
> Chris
> > Bluegills are working out great for me.
>
>
| Message 58
Subject: Re: Fish Species (bluegill questions)
From: Gordon Watkins
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 20:03:02 -0500
I feed Aquamax (Purina) sinking crumbles.
Gordon Watkins
David Benhart wrote:
> Hi Gordon:
> What do you feed your Bluegills??
> Thank-you Dave Benhart
> S+S system with temp problems in winter
> NW Illinois
>
> Gordon Watkins wrote:
>
> > Mark,
> > Bluegills are working out great for me. I'm
not pushing the envelope
> > on my system, due to a leak which keeps me from
cycling optimally, so my
> > data on stocking levels, growth rates, feed
conversion etc are not
> > meaningful, but I haven't lost any to disease or
any other cause since
> > stocking 300 3 inch fingerlings in my 1,000
gallon system over a year
> > ago, and we've been eating some delicious
Blackened Bluegill fillets.
> > Plus, operating costs are insignificant compared
to trying to maintain
> > tilapia at 80+ F. year round. My water temps
average 60 in the winter
> > and 75 in the summer and the bluegills feed
ravenously, regardless.
> > Tilapia attempted under those same conditions were
stressed, went off
> > feed, developed disease and had high mort. rates.
I like bluegills.
> >
> > Gordon Watkins
> >
> > "Wells, Mark CAR" wrote:
> >
> > > >
. I now grow cold-water species only, with an
emphasis on hybrid
> > > bluegill.
> > >
> > > Gordon,
> > >
> > > I am just starting in aquaponics using my
aquariums in
> > > the basement until my greenhouse is built. The
water
> > > temps stay around 73 degrees so I decided to try
hydrid
> > > bluegill (male bluegill x female green sunfish)
also.
> > > They are popular here and easy for me to get in
small quanities.
> > > I added my first fingerlings a few days ago.
More will
> > > be added when the system is established and
stabilized.
> > >
> > > How are the hybrid bluegill working out for you?
Are stocking
> > > densities similar to tilapia? Are growth rates?
> > >
> > > thanks in advance.> > > Mark
| Message 59
Subject: Re: Fish Species (bluegill questions)
From: dbenhart 'at' essex1.com (David Benhart)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 20:18:52 -0700
Thank-you Gordon
Gordon Watkins wrote:
> I feed Aquamax (Purina) sinking crumbles.
>
> Gordon Watkins
>
> David Benhart wrote:
>
> > Hi Gordon:
> > What do you feed your Bluegills??
> > Thank-you Dave Benhart
> > S+S system with temp problems in winter
> > NW Illinois
> >
> > Gordon Watkins wrote:
> >
> > > Mark,
> > > Bluegills are working out great for me. I'm
not pushing the envelope
> > > on my system, due to a leak which keeps me from
cycling optimally, so my
> > > data on stocking levels, growth rates, feed
conversion etc are not
> > > meaningful, but I haven't lost any to disease or
any other cause since
> > > stocking 300 3 inch fingerlings in my 1,000
gallon system over a year
> > > ago, and we've been eating some delicious
Blackened Bluegill fillets.
> > > Plus, operating costs are insignificant compared
to trying to maintain
> > > tilapia at 80+ F. year round. My water temps
average 60 in the winter
> > > and 75 in the summer and the bluegills feed
ravenously, regardless.
> > > Tilapia attempted under those same conditions
were stressed, went off
> > > feed, developed disease and had high mort.
rates. I like bluegills.
> > >
> > > Gordon Watkins
> > >
> > > "Wells, Mark CAR" wrote:
> > >
> > > > >
. I now grow cold-water species only, with
an emphasis on hybrid
> > > > bluegill.
> > > >
> > > > Gordon,
> > > >
> > > > I am just starting in aquaponics using my
aquariums in
> > > > the basement until my greenhouse is built.
The water
> > > > temps stay around 73 degrees so I decided to
try hydrid
> > > > bluegill (male bluegill x female green
sunfish) also.
> > > > They are popular here and easy for me to get
in small quanities.
> > > > I added my first fingerlings a few days ago.
More will
> > > > be added when the system is established and
stabilized.
> > > >
> > > > How are the hybrid bluegill working out for
you? Are stocking
> > > > densities similar to tilapia? Are growth
rates?
> > > >
> > > > thanks in advance.> > > > Mark
| Message 60
Subject: Penance - Growing Potatoes
From: "Ada Erickson"
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:22:40 -0700
Hello all;
I feel that I need to do some penance for all of my
off topic nutria
ranting. I have to admit it was very interesting. I
talked to my partner
in crime, my mom, today, and we talked over the
possibility of buying
property for our farm in Canby and trapping the nutria
and feeding it to the
fish. I have no idea if it would work, and I know I
couldn't do it.
Anyway, here is my penance. I don't know anything
about growing yet, so I
am offering a precis of an article from March/April
2001 Growing Edge
entitled Growing Hydroponic Potatoes.
The hydroponic farmer can make potatoes available to
himself at all stages
of growth (new to baker) all year round. First,
procure a 44-gallon drum
that was not used to contain anything phytotoxic.
Drums used for foodstuffs
are ideal. [Ada's note: try your local McDonald's].
Saw the drum in half.
The second half can be used for media storage. Bore a
hole at the base to
accommodate a drainage pipe. Cover the outlet on the
inside with a strainer
of some sort to prevent any blockage by the media or
vegitation. (From the
picture, I can ascertain that the author brought the
drainage pipe into the
center of the bottom of the barrel, and attached a
cage from a water
filter.) The author uses 1/2" (13m) poly pipe as used
in garden irrigation
and a rubber grommet seal. Leave pipework loose so
that it can be removed
for convenience during planting and harvesting, etc.
Stack broken pottery
over the strainer. Drainage is important so that
plants may have a supply
of oxygen to their roots.
Plan some form of irrigation to the top of the garden.
It is possible to
use three 24-hour drippers with a flow rate of 1
gal/hour. The auther
reccomments simply flooding the bin three times per
day. Don't over do the
irrigation or you'll end up with poor plant health due
to root death by
drowning.
Select sound seed potatoes. You will need to
experiment with varieties.
Gently lay into media above the drainage outlet level.
Plant four to six.
Gently cover with enough media to fully cover.
Several inches is not
necessary.
When a few inches of growth have been acheived, add
media heaps areound the
emerging growth leaving 2-3 inches exposed. Continue
to fill as growth
progresses until media reaches the top of the drum.
Do not prune. This
will inhibit tuber growth. Indoor growers will need
to experiment with
pollination as the plants flower; greenhouse and
outdoor growers should not
have a problem. Harvest can begin when the leaf
cover begins to age.
Systems utilizing expanded clay will need to do a
complete harvest. Lighter
media can be gently removed for selective harvest.
The author reccommends Coopers two-art starter formula
as a genearl purpose
formula for real success. This formula and hybrids of
this formula are
produced by several companies such as American
Hydroponics, Growth
Technology, and others. The author advises an
electrical conductivity value
between 1.6 and 2.0 (16 - 20 conductivity factor) and
a pH value of 6.3.
Use very dilute phosphoirc acid to loware the pH and
use potassium hydroxide
to raise the pH.
Original author Rob Smith. The article has some great
pictures.
Hope this makes it up to everyone!
| Message 61
Subject: Re: To the Al's out there.From: "TGTX"
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 20:24:43 -0500
> unsubscribe
> Marc Nameth
unsubscribe
Ted Ground
Tally
Ho
!!!
| Message 62
Subject: Heating
From: "Ada Erickson"
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:33:33 -0700
Growing Edge also has a huge article on minimizing the
effects of low
temperatures, and if five people express interest,
I'll take the time to
transcribe or summarize it here (as long as you
subscribe to their WONDERFUL
magazine eventually!). It's eight pages long, so
that's why I'm asking for
votes.
Topics covered:
Plants and Cold Temperatures
Cold Resistance in Plants
Cold Climate Greenhouses
Heating Systems
Free Heat Sourches
Waste Material
Solar Energy
Geothermal Heat
Waste Heat
Nutrient Solution Heating
Hobbyist Greenhouses
Optimal Root Zone Temperatures (table)
Keeping the Chill off
I know heating is a hot topic (pun intended) right
now, and I'd be happy to
do it. My off topic posting has left me guilty.
| Message 63
Subject: RE: To the Al's out there.From: "billevans"
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:36:58 -0700
unscubscribe Al Bundy
thanks
al
/////////////////
unsubscribe
Ted Ground
Tally
Ho
!!!
| Message 64
Subject: Re: Other Lists
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 20:41:41 -0500
At 02:38 PM 07/18/2001 -0700, Mike wrote:
>Here are a few lists that I have or have been
connected to.
Mike, with the merger of onelist into egroups, then
last August in Yahoo,
most all of these lists (indicated with onelist,
egroups, yahoo) are now
available through the yahoo groups site:
http://groups.yahoo.com/
Those who have subscriptions can possibly post
instructions for each
individual list, but all are available through the
search function at the
above URL. Keep in mind that a search on "tilapia"
will generate several
lists, though, so selection of the "best" one is not
as easy as a one-word
search. That's why I'd suggest that those of us with
info post what we have
on some of these lists.
I'll begin with the ones I have records on:
>aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
To SUBSCRIBE, send an e-mail to:
aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com
in the body (or message area) type:
subscribe
>microhydro 'at' yahoogroups.com - request this one by
full name, I'd guess
through Yahoo
>hydrolist 'at' hydroponics.org
send an email to:
Listserver Requests
in the body type:
subscribe hydrolist
>digestion 'at' crest.org
>AQUARIUM 'at' LISTSERV.CC.EMORY.EDU
>tilapia 'at' yahoogroups.com
Post message: tilapia 'at' yahoogroups.com
Subscribe: tilapia-subscribe 'at' yahoogroups.com
Unsubscribe: tilapia-unsubscribe 'at' yahoogroups.com
List owner: tilapia-owner 'at' yahoogroups.com
URL to this page:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tilapia
>homestead 'at' listserv.unc.edu
Here's the site I have that should allow you to
subscribe, unsubscribe or
access the archives:
http://lyris.unc.edu/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=HOMESTEAD
>bioenergy 'at' crest.org
>bioconversion 'at' crest.org,
>gasification 'at' crest.org,
>digestion 'at' crest.org
>greenbuilding 'at' crest.org
>stoves 'at' crest.org
I don't have these, but it would be logical to try the
URL
http://www.crest.org to see if access can be obtained
through that site
>facilitiesengineers 'at' mainzone.com
>mycology 'at' egroups.com>,
> ,
>woodlice 'at' au.egroups.com
>rarefruit 'at' egroups.com
>preservers 'at' egroups.com
>homestead-a 'at' egroups.com
>sustainable 'at' egroups.com
>interfacing 'at' eGroups.com
>awea-wind-home 'at' egroups.com
>veg-prod 'at' egroups.com
All of these should now be accessible through the
Yahoo groups site first
listed above.
>hydrolist 'at' listbot.com
>solar-concentrator 'at' cichlid.com
>solarcooking-l 'at' igc.org
>plant-tc 'at' tc.umn.edu (tissue culture)
I have no info on these.
Hope this helps somewhat.
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO
65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
| Message 65
Subject: Re: Nutria
From: "Laura Dalton"
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 21:05:54 -0500
Hi all:
I'm a list lurker who is very appreciative of all the
members. Have learned
a lot since joining about a year ago. Have followed
the nutria thread (grew
up in Fla where they're a problem), but didn't know
very much about them. If
you're interested take a look at the following it's
interesting reading -
Ted, this is where your bbq'ing supply will come
from!!
http://www.nwrc.nbs.gov/special/nutquest.html
Laura E. Dalton
Victoria Gardens Bed & Breakfast
1461 State Route BB
West Plains, MO 65775
(417) 256-3268
laura 'at' victoria-gardens.com
www.victoria-gardens.com
----- Original Message -----
From: TGTX
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 07:04 PM
Subject: Re: Nutria
> > > Nutria are SO UGLY!
> > See
> >
http://images.zoonet.org/wqe/jackson/pictures/nutria.jpg
> > Mike
>
> Ah, Nutria
>
> She walks in SUCH BEAUTY, like the night
.How do I
love thee? Let me
count
> the ways
.>
> 1) Nutria "Medallions" Sauteed in Garlic Lime
Cilantro Ginger Butter.> 2) Slabs of Nutria Haunch Roasted with Rosemary,
Olive Oil, Coarse Black
> Pepper, Kosher Salt, & Chianti.> 3) Thinly Sliced Nutria Dusted Doused in Vinegrette,
Dusted with Dill
.In
> Aspic.> 4) The Center Stage of a Pot Roast
Like a Toltec
Earthen Mound
Surrounded
> by Spuds, Onions, Carrots, and Sage.>
> I think I aspire to GROK this Most Edible Animal.
>
> Ted
>
| Message 66
Subject: Re: Nutria
From: "Ada Erickson"
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:16:34 -0700
Thanks for the great source
.I was wrong, they don't
eat fish and ducks!
Farmers must shoot them because of their crop
damaging. It all makes sense
now!
When Martha Stewart roasts nutria over an open fire at
one of her beach
parties, you will know it has finally "arrived"
LOL
But with these nutritional numbers, maybe they should
make them into fish or
pet food?
Young Nutria Adult Nutria
Chicken Beef
Cod Squirrel Deer Rabbit
Protein g/100 g 22.1 22.2
21.39 16.6
17.8 21.2 23 21.8
Protein, kcal/100 g 88.2 88.9
71.9 77.1
86.9 70.8 76.5 76.5
Fat, g/100 g 1.5 1.0
3.1
26.6 0.7 3.2 2.4 2.3
Fat, kcal/100 g 13.3 9.3
23.3
77.1 7.4 24.1 18.2 18.3
Carbohydrate, g/100 0 0.5
0
0 0 0 0 0
Cholesterol, mg/100 g 40.1 31.7 70
85
43 83 85 81
Ada Erickson
www.primadonnasrevenge.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Laura Dalton"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: Nutria
> Hi all:
> I'm a list lurker who is very appreciative of all
the members. Have
learned
> a lot since joining about a year ago. Have followed
the nutria thread
(grew
> up in Fla where they're a problem), but didn't know
very much about them.
If
> you're interested take a look at the following it's
interesting reading -
> Ted, this is where your bbq'ing supply will come
from!!
> http://www.nwrc.nbs.gov/special/nutquest.html
>
> Laura E. Dalton
> Victoria Gardens Bed & Breakfast
> 1461 State Route BB
> West Plains, MO 65775
> (417) 256-3268
> laura 'at' victoria-gardens.com
> www.victoria-gardens.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: TGTX
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 07:04 PM
> Subject: Re: Nutria
>
>
> > > > Nutria are SO UGLY!
> > > See
> > >
http://images.zoonet.org/wqe/jackson/pictures/nutria.jpg
> > > Mike
> >
> > Ah, Nutria
> >
> > She walks in SUCH BEAUTY, like the night
.How do
I love thee? Let me
> count
> > the ways
.> >
> > 1) Nutria "Medallions" Sauteed in Garlic Lime
Cilantro Ginger Butter.> > 2) Slabs of Nutria Haunch Roasted with Rosemary,
Olive Oil, Coarse Black
> > Pepper, Kosher Salt, & Chianti.> > 3) Thinly Sliced Nutria Dusted Doused in
Vinegrette, Dusted with
Dill
.In
> > Aspic.> > 4) The Center Stage of a Pot Roast
Like a
Toltec Earthen Mound
> Surrounded
> > by Spuds, Onions, Carrots, and Sage.> >
> > I think I aspire to GROK this Most Edible Animal.
> >
> > Ted
> >
>
>
| Message 67
Subject: Re: Heating
From: "bennett"
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:20:21 -0400
Can I vote "YES" 5 times?
>Growing Edge also has a huge article on minimizing
the effects of low
>temperatures, and if five people express interest,
I'll take the time to
>transcribe or summarize it here (as long as you
subscribe to their
WONDERFUL
>magazine eventually!). It's eight pages long, so
that's why I'm asking for
>votes.
>
| Message 68
Subject: Publications:, was Re: Heating
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 21:34:28 -0500
At 06:33 PM 07/18/2001 -0700, Ada wrote:
>Growing Edge also has a huge article on minimizing
the effects of low
>temperatures, and if five people express interest,
I'll take the time to
>transcribe or summarize it here (as long as you
subscribe to their WONDERFUL
>magazine eventually!). It's eight pages long, so
that's why I'm asking for
>votes.
Ada - I don't know how the Growing Edge folks feel
(although they are
certainly on the list and can speak for themselves),
but I think a summary
of a particular article, along with the issue number
information and their
website http://www.growingedge.com would be more
appropriate.
As to what you send people individually, that's your
business; but eight
pages of transcribed information is too much for a
message to the list, I
think, even if it doesn't violate copyright rules!
Here's what I show for publication resources within
our membership ranks.
If there are others, please feel free to post them.
Paula
Aquaponics Journal http://www.aquaponics.com
Practical Hydroponics and Greenhouses
http://www.hydroponics.com.au
The Growing Edge http://www.growingedge.com
Hydro 1 -- http://www.mayhillpress.com
| Message 69
Subject: (no subject)
From: Crighton
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:59:49 -0700
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because I like it here
> >and will not take a chance at accidentally bumping
myself off.
> > Bruce
>
> Thanks for the help, but I took care of it yesterday
as soon as I was able.
>
> Just in case someone might need to save these
instructions (again), here's
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| Message 70
Subject: Re: Fish Species for Aquaponics
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:19:16 -0500
Hi Kris,
Wow! I'm just going through these multitudes of
messages and delete, delete,
delete. I will be kinder in my posts from now on. I'm
starting to agree with
the people I disagreed with
.TOO MUCH TRIVIA!
No, I have not tasted or filleted a pacu. I have never
even seen one. I'm
going on what fellow travelers have told me. I took a
chance on Tilapia and
it was a very bad experience. I was speaking today
with a fellow who imports
Pacu on a regular basis & he compares the taste of
Pacu to Cod. He told me
though that you don't harvest the Pacu at 1 - 2 #. You
wait until they are
3# +.
Don't forget that I have my friend, Bruce, by my side
when I am making these
"educated" decisions. Or as we used to say in the
oilfield. You use the WAG
formula. (Wild Ass Guess). Don't forget, I am the one
in Wisconsin who says
he WILL HAVE SUMMERTIME TOMATOES IN THE WINTERTIME and
now I'm saying, "I'LL
HAVE GOOD TASTING FISH TOO!!"
Hey, they can shoot me, but they can't eat me. It is
against the law.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "kris book"
To:
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 12:20 AM
Subject: Re: Fish Species for Aquaponics
Steve,
Have you tasted or filleted pacu, or both
kris
| Message 71
Subject: Re: To the Al's out there.From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:41:29 -0500
Hi,
I don't know why this post caught my attention, but I
agree wholeheartedly.
It seems as if this list has had a lot of
non-aquaponic messages on it
lately. I am far from "guiltless", but I'm trying to
be. I mean, HOLY
MOLLY, the posts on 7/18 alone are staggering.
Just my thoughts
.Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 2:59 AM
Subject: To the Al's out there.
>OK I've had enough.
>Please get me off the list ASAP.
There is no need to rush off, Al. This list or any
other is what you make of it. If you haven't seen the
answers to things you wanted to know, all you have to
do
is ask
have you? If the volume of mail is
overwhelming,
have you tried setting your filters for only subjects
or
authors you are interested in? There are commercial
growers here. But this list can't be just a
commercial
one or an academic one. Aquaponics needs to be in
schools.
It needs to be in homes. It needs to be a part of
restoring
our family farms. I have never been in a place where I
could
talk to such knowledgeable people from so many walks
of life and so
many far off places. The list needs to be just that.
A list
of the people exchanging knowledge, experience,
creative thoughts and
lending support
.even inspiration. You can't exclude
the
homeschool mom any more than the commercial grower
trying
to make a living. You can't say that what may seem
off topic
to you, may not help another in some way.
To some, the thread about animal heat in old Europe
may
have been an irrelevant topic about history that they
should not
have been bothered with. But to me, it was a look at
ancient
use of solar energy. The radiant energy that makes up
a cows
huge body is the same solar energy that gave life to
the grass it ate.
Now we are using fish tanks as the storage for that
energy.
To some, my post about Joel Salatin's books about
farming to
Miriam may have been off topic, but a curious reader
would find them to be
some of the best books there are on things like value
adding, relationship
marketing
.educating your market about healthy food.
There is
no better marketer in agriculture. Anyone can benefit
from how he
educates, builds relationships with his customers,
uses creative
marketing methods and most of all, how he works within
the natural
systems and turns that into dollars.
So you see, you never know what may be of value or
interest. This
place would not be the same without that aspect of it.
You can gain
from that if wanted to. If ALL you want is relevant
info, there are
search engines, universities and consultants. I
prefer to learn AND
be a part of something larger than aquaponics itself.
I can only
get that here. The collective and eclectic body that
make up this
group are a part of a much needed change. It feels
good to be a part
of that. The friendly and sometimes humorous nature
of the group
makes it approachable and less intimidating to the
"little guy/girl".
I wouldn't change it. My delete key works if things
get out of hand.
Good Luck, Al. I hope you find what you are looking
for. Sorry for
the long post.
Mark
| Message 72
Subject: Re: Fish Species compatibility
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:46:04 -0500
Chris,
I'm amazed. Contact me off list 'at' careplus 'at' execpc.com
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Jeppesen"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 8:01 AM
Subject: Re: Fish Species compatibility
Steve
The state of Utah regulates blue gill. They tell me
where i can by them. So
I got all I could get from a supplier in Brigham city
(40). He usually
imports them from arkansas but the state now prohits
that so he siened his
pond for all he had.
It was a two hour drive home and I killed about 26 on
the way home.
a week latter now I only see 3-4 at any given time.
But there might be more
in a 800 gal tank.
I can get more in La Sal Ut It is a four and a half
hour drive and the
fellow is on vacation in new jersy with his grand
kids. for another 2 weeks.
Aquaculture is the fastest growing segment of
agriculture but the state of
Utah is completly out of the loop. The grower in
brigham agrees. It cost him
$130. to certify with the state to sell me $30. worth
of blue Gill.
I was unsure of even trying the blue gill but my
brother in law ( a wild
life biologest for the blm In Oregon) thought the
would do well.
Now I'm thinking of Pacu they are like gold fish and
koi, unregulated.
I don't know if I can keep them warm enough in the
winter.
Hum.
Chris
>Are these fingerlings from Kens's fish farm or did
you buy them locally?
>
>SS
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Chris Jeppesen"
>To:
>Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 10:23 AM
>Subject: Fish Species compatibility
>
>
>I'm putting some blue gill fingerlings in my tank
with large goldfish and
>Koi.
>Am I looking for trouble.
>Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
| Message 73
Subject: Re: Discouraging advice
From: "Leslie Ter Morshuizen"
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 05:19:48 +0200
Hi Lynn
If you are referring to the Australian redclaw I would
suggest you trawl
through the available literature from that country (or
should that be
continent?). They raise this species commercially and
have done a lot of
research on what works and what doesn't.
Contact me privately if you need access to this sort
of information.
(leslie 'at' imaginet.co.za).
Have fun,
Leslie
Subject: Discouraging advice
> Hi everyone. I e-mailed the Pennsylvania state
'coordinator' on
aquaculture
> about my ideas to raise redclaw or blue crab and
asked his advice. First
he
> says that neither species has a "proven track
record" in tank culture, so
> he discourages me from raising either.
| Message 74
Subject: Nutria
From: "Leslie Ter Morshuizen"
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 05:56:29 +0200
I see the future before us
. a greenhouse tunnel
and bacterial colony
encompassing the perfect
symbiotic living relationship, plants living off fish
waste, fish living off
nutria waste, nutria living off plant waste and the
farmer selling all 3 at
the local farmers market
.
Off topic perhaps, and socially insensitive, but it
was slightly lateral.
Leslie
> > Do you think they will ever be farmed for meat and
fur? It seems to me
> that
> > they would be happy eating fish heads and other
leftovers from fish
> > filleting. Maybe they could be a part of the
animal warmth model.
| Message 75
Subject: Re: Southern Greenhouse Vegetable Growers
Association Meeting
From: "JAlan Aufderheide"
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 20:10:50 -0000
HELP!
Paula
I have been trying for quite some time to unsubscribe.
I have followed the instructions several times and
have emailed direct.
Nothing seems to do the trick.
Help!
J
----- Original Message -----
From: S & S Aqua Farm
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 3:34 AM
Subject: Re: Southern Greenhouse Vegetable Growers
Association Meeting
> At 08:37 PM 07/16/2001 -0500, Ted wrote:
>
> >Overall?
the Conference was very
good
kind, helpful, and
earnest
> >people there in attendence
. I was impressed by
the depth of
knowledge,
> >the "comradery", and the kindness overall
These
are some pretty cool
> >folks.
> >
> >So,
.I HIGHLY RECOMMEND that y'all check it
out and join if you are
so
> >inclined. These people, this organization, could
just about forge a new,
> >fresh, freedom-enhancing, empowering paradigm if
given half a chance.
Very
> >open, or at least kind and civil, toward ideas,
without loosing a sense
of
> >the practical
. I am impressed
> >
> >(From me wife, Kate: "This organization is a group
MOST supportive in all
> >things "greenhouse", from helping with pests, to
making a profit. I
highly
> >recommend any of you wanting more support, contact
these folks and
join.")
>
> Welcome back, Ted and Kate! Glad things went well
-- really glad you
didn't
> have complete meltdown with the heat.
>
> And I second (or third) the comments on the
association -- great people,
> wonderful information, and well worth the time to
attend their
> presentations, field days, and annual meeting.
Their website is:
> http://www.sgvga.org
>
> Paula
> S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains,
MO 65775 417-256-5124
> Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
>
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