Aquaponics Digest - Tue 07/24/01
Message 1: Re: Attachments and graphics & lists
from kris book
Message 2: RE: Outside Aquaponics
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 3: Re: Attachments and graphics & lists
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 4: RE: On and Off Topic Ponderings (Not Too
Long)
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 5: Greenwater tank culture
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 6: my apologies to those I offended
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 7: Re: organic hydroponics
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 8: Re: Let's leave a list for Paula
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 9: Olympian god Kris
from marc 'at' aculink.net
Message 10: "Shocking the pond"
from Andrei.Calciu 'at' hn.va.nec.com
Message 11: Paul Adler web site, was Re: NFT
aquaponics
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 12: 12 volt sump/bilge pump safety
from Carolyn Hoagland
Message 13: Re: 12 volt sump/bilge pump safety
from Andrei.Calciu 'at' hn.va.nec.com
Message 14: Re: 12 volt sump/bilge pump safety
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 15: homestead
from "Jerry Miles"
Message 16: Re: 12 volt sump/bilge pump safety
from "Arlos"
Message 17: Re: 12 volt sump/bilge pump safety
from "Arlos"
Message 18: Re: homestead
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 19: Re: Let's leave a list for Paula
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce
Schreiber)
Message 20:
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 21: Re: "Kool Ray" liquid shade
from "Robert Rogers"
Message 22: Re: Outside Aquaponics
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce
Schreiber)
Message 23: Re: hydroponics in National Geographic
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce
Schreiber)
Message 24: Re: NFT aquaponics
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce
Schreiber)
Message 25: Re: hydroponics in National Geographic
from "Arlos"
Message 26: Re: Luminescence on Fish body
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce
Schreiber)
Message 27: RE: On and Off Topic Ponderings (Not Too
Long)
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce
Schreiber)
Message 28: Re: On and Off Topic Ponderings (Not Too
Long)
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 29: Re: Attachments and graphics & lists
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 30: Re: Attachments and graphics & lists
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 31: Re: my apologies to those I offended
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 32: Re: "Shocking the pond"
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 33: Surface temp of outside gravel growbeds
from Carolyn Hoagland
| Message 1
Subject: Re: Attachments and graphics & lists
From: kris book
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 23:10:46 -0600
Paula,
Please excuse my omission of lol, on that post to
Steve. And my tongue
in cheek reference about complaining that upset Marc
should also have had
an lol but, I don't think I'll be apologizing to Marc.
I think he likes
being upset.
kris
| Message 2
Subject: RE: Outside Aquaponics
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 00:20:51 -0500
>Lynn,
>Jim Rakocy's recommendation for the ratio of growbeds
to fish is based
>on 3#'s of feed as the input. This eliminates fish
density variations
>in different systems. A search of the archives
should bring this
>information up.
I think this was the link to that thread
.I printed
it when I found
it.
http://www.i55mall.com/aquaponics/000211.html good
thread to print.
Mark
| Message 3
Subject: Re: Attachments and graphics & lists
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 01:22:16 -0700
S & S Aqua Farm wrote:
>
> At 09:42 PM 07/23/2001 -0600, Kris forwarded from
Steve Spring:
>
> >I hope to be taking some pictures tomorrow and will
be sending these to the list in the next few days.
Steve, you can send me your pics if you like. I will
post them to the
website we are working on for the group.
Mike
JAMAICA
| Message 4
Subject: RE: On and Off Topic Ponderings (Not Too
Long)
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 01:28:06 -0500
>1. The elitist arrogance of self declared creative
and
>lateral thinkers who cared little for the protests of
others
>and responded with off topic intellectual retching
and
>flatus designed to discount the protesters wants,
needs and
>desires.
I'm sorry to offend you, Marc
.it wasn't my
purpose and
I am sure it wasn't the purpose of others. What are
the
protestors wants needs and desires? Al never
expressed them
other than to have less mail in his box. My post to
him and others
wasn't written in the tone it may have been read in.
That is
part of the downside to this form of communication.
Things
can be read into posts that aren't there. I was just
trying to
point out that aquaponics
.this list
.is many things
to
many people. If it adds a few posts, I don't care.
I'm
honored to be a part of this group. I spent nearly
two hours
one day combing the archives trying to find the
information about
plant to fish ratios (thanks James Rakocy) for Pete
the teacher
because I want to help him teach those kids. When he
first came on
he asked a lot of good questions any beginner
would
.I was one of
few who answered.
A long thread that may irritate someone not
interested may
help another. Myself and others are interested in
converting
aquaponic or aquaculture waste to energy. A tilapia's
waste
is a viable answer to keeping it warm and enables a
person in
an otherwise unsuitable climate to raise them.
Bio-digestion
is very relevant
.to me and others
.maybe not to
all. I spent
a large part of my life extracting energy from human
waste. It
drove home the importance of it
.and potential of it.
I don't think there are any elitist here.
Just people
from all over the world
.we couldn't possibly see
things the
same all the time nor should we
.no fun there.
Your post didn't offend me or anger me. I
don't take
myself that seriously. I could say more but don't
want to be
accused of intellectual retching.
take it easy marc.
Mark
| Message 5
Subject: Greenwater tank culture
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 01:44:00 -0500
Howdy,
I was reading about greenwater tank culture at
the aquaponics.com website (love that site). Could
someone familiar with it explain the "suspended growth
treatment process" of biological filtration a little
further? Are the bacteria growing on the algae?
thanks,
Mark
| Message 6
Subject: my apologies to those I offended
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 02:18:20 -0500
Hi group,
After reading marc's post, I kinda felt bad that
I may have offended some with my post to Al. I
apologize if I did. I understand the frustration with
lots of mail. I get it too
.so I learned how to deal
with it. But I would never ask another not to express
a thought or ask something because it cluttered my box
or was (seemingly) off topic
.we never know what is
behind it.
I apologize for my long and sometimes conversational
posts. It's how I write. I started writing that way
when I lost my best friend to suicide (which was tied
to things at the wastewater plant
.so I blew the
whistle),
lost my mom to heart failure and lost my job that I
loved
for standing up for people who could not stand up for
themselves
all in 12 months. I hurt so bad I
thought
I would surely die. I had to get it out so I started
writing
and I have never stopped. Sometimes longer posts add
depth and meaning
.sometimes just words. Either way,
I will try to be short and to the point unless
something
requires more information. This list and aquaponics
have
reconnected me with something I thought was
lost
.thank you.
I'm new at this list stuff
.again, my humble
apologies.
Mark
| Message 7
Subject: Re: organic hydroponics
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 02:50:35 -0500
Kris,
I don't see any red flags but the main considerations
will be:
1. Plant performance
2. Cost- often these things are liquid and are
expensive, with
shipping making things even worse
3. Fermentation and odors
> I have no interest in some bureaucracy's view of a
product, only if
it is
> safe and healthy to use. Do you see any red flags
associated with
> Metanaturals?
| Message 8
Subject: Re: Let's leave a list for Paula
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 03:41:25 -0500
Mike,
The credit for the biodigester design goes 1000% to
Raul and his
partner in Brazil Jose Karam- it is the result of more
than 20 years
of research and development on their part. Melvin and
I have entered
the picture strictly to help promote the dissemination
of the
technology in other parts of the world, starting with
some
demonstration units in the US and the Caribbean.
>we HAVE discussed this "biogas" thing in the
>past, it wasnt a sin then, and Raul, Adrianna and
others apparently
>worked hard at an actual biodigester design OFFLIST.
I agree that rather than forming yet another new group
we all go over
to the Biodigestion list on CREST.
Adriana
| Message 9
Subject: Olympian god Kris
From: marc 'at' aculink.net
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 05:54:32 -0600
No Kris
I simpy responded to your untruthful request for
feedback. I
knew you were lying just to look good.
Your arrogant one-liner dismissal without any respect
of my
posts and others is so illustrative of what pieces of
slime
you consider any who disagree with you.
Thank you for so accurately ilustrating my points your
royal
highness. I couldn't have done it better in a million
years.
Marc
"Subject: Re: On and Off Topic Ponderings (Not Too
Long)
From: kris book
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 21:56:54 -0600
Marc,
I think you want the wine list.
kris "
| Message 10
Subject: "Shocking the pond"
From: Andrei.Calciu 'at' hn.va.nec.com
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:57:56 -0400
Steve,
I remember reading somewhere about injecting CO2 in a
fish-tank or pond in
order to stun the fish. They float to the surface and
you can harvest them.
I do not know how much CO2 would become lethal to all
the fish. You may
need to do some research on the subject.
Now the other way reminds me of the good old army days
when we went fishing
with hand grenades . . . . .
-_______________
Andrei D. Calciu (VA-4270)
NEC America, Inc.
14040 Park Center Dr.
Herndon, VA 20171-3227
Voice: 703-834-4273
Fax: 703-787-6613
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| Message 11
Subject: Paul Adler web site, was Re: NFT aquaponics
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:16:16 -0500
At 08:56 AM 07/23/2001 -0500, Adriana wrote:
>You're correct Attie,
>
>It was Paul Adler and Dr. Takeda; I visitied Dr.
Adler at the USDA
>research facility in West Virginia in the early
stages of my research
>about 3 years ago.
I found this contact information in my files for Dr.
Adler:
Paul R. Adler, Ph.D.
USDA-ARS
45 Wiltshire Road
Kearneysville, WV 25430 USA
"Paul Robert Adler"
Web site http://afrsweb.usda.gov
voice 304.725.3451 x352
fax 304.728.2340
Paula
| Message 12
Subject: 12 volt sump/bilge pump safety
From: Carolyn Hoagland
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:38:28 -0500
Hi Gang,
Can anyone tell me about the safety of being in the
water when using
12V submersible pumps? I can see that rare (or
perhaps not so rare)
maintenance issues may require someone to get in a
tank. I am
planning to run a pump directly off a solar panel 'at'
12v and 6 amps. I
may also be running the pump off a 12v golf cart type
battery with
~300 amp hours capacity. Although I am familiar with
the mechanical
side of how to hook all this up, I am not familiar
with the theory
side of what can go wrong (shorts, ground faults,
etc
.)
What is the worst case scenario, say an unsupervised
neighbor child
decides to get in the water and chase the fish, and
then there is a
malfunction, etc
, etc
. Is this going to be an
uncomfortable
shock, or a life threatening situation??
Thanks,
Carolyn
| Message 13
Subject: Re: 12 volt sump/bilge pump safety
From: Andrei.Calciu 'at' hn.va.nec.com
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:45:23 -0400
Without being able to give any intelligent reply to
your question, I may
suggest a couple of Dobermans to keep neighboring
children away from the
fish altogether.
-_______________
Andrei D. Calciu (VA-4270)
NEC America, Inc.
14040 Park Center Dr.
Herndon, VA 20171-3227
Voice: 703-834-4273
Fax: 703-787-6613
This message and any attachment are confidential. If
you are not the
intended recipient, please telephone or email the
sender and delete the
message and any attachment from your system. If you
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recipient you must not copy this message or attachment
or disclose the
contents to any other person.
| Message 14
Subject: Re: 12 volt sump/bilge pump safety
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:03:39 -0500
The liability from the Doberman's isprobably greater
than the
liability from the pump. I wonder if there is a way
to hook up the
equivalent of a GFI (ground fault interrupter) to the
battery? You
probably should ask this question to a licensed
electrician.
> Without being able to give any intelligent reply to
your question, I
may
> suggest a couple of Dobermans to keep neighboring
children away from
the
> fish altogether.
Adriana Gutierrez
Birmingham, AL
| Message 15
Subject: homestead
From: "Jerry Miles"
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:38:45 -0500
Hello Paula,
We had a major meltdown. Would you send me the the
url for the homestead
group (unc.edu) when you have time?
Thanks,
Jerry
| Message 16
Subject: Re: 12 volt sump/bilge pump safety
From: "Arlos"
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 08:52:42 -0700
Carolyn,
Contact a licensed electrical contractor. I'm not at
all a fan of
submersed pumps for the reason they do fail. Even
ground fault interruption
circuits are prone to failure (here on the CA central
coast, ZINSCO circuit
breakers are the bain of my existence as they corrode
in this marine
influence and fail to trip. If you could at all
install an above ground DC
motor/ pump with a foot valve you would reduce the
risk of using a live
device that might create a fatality. Its not the
voltage, it's the amps that
will kill you. According to the NEC (national electric
code) All DC devices
should have a direct disconnect switch and an inline
fuse
There seems to be
R&D at Square D in regards to a ground fault
interruption device for direct
current but currently only for the aerospace industry.
If you have not
searched the Realgoods.com site, give it a try. they
are the best site I've
found for home and light industrial stand alone (SA)
photovoltaic systems. I
hope you are using a monitoring system and not a
direct PV to pump and
motor?
Arlos
"Will do calculus for spare change"
-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Hoagland
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 7:49 AM
Subject: 12 volt sump/bilge pump safety
>Hi Gang,
>Can anyone tell me about the safety of being in the
water when using
>12V submersible pumps? I can see that rare (or
perhaps not so rare)
>maintenance issues may require someone to get in a
tank. I am
>planning to run a pump directly off a solar panel 'at'
12v and 6 amps. I
>may also be running the pump off a 12v golf cart type
battery with
>~300 amp hours capacity. Although I am familiar with
the mechanical
>side of how to hook all this up, I am not familiar
with the theory
>side of what can go wrong (shorts, ground faults,
etc
.)
>
>What is the worst case scenario, say an unsupervised
neighbor child
>decides to get in the water and chase the fish, and
then there is a
>malfunction, etc
, etc
. Is this going to be an
uncomfortable
>shock, or a life threatening situation??
>
>Thanks,
>Carolyn
>
| Message 17
Subject: Re: 12 volt sump/bilge pump safety
From: "Arlos"
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 08:55:04 -0700
Carolyn and all,
Here is one site refering to DC fault protection.
Use the site map for
anything else.
http://www.solareco.com/articles/article.cfm?id=37
Arlos
-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Hoagland
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 7:49 AM
Subject: 12 volt sump/bilge pump safety
>Hi Gang,
>Can anyone tell me about the safety of being in the
water when using
>12V submersible pumps? I can see that rare (or
perhaps not so rare)
>maintenance issues may require someone to get in a
tank. I am
>planning to run a pump directly off a solar panel 'at'
12v and 6 amps. I
>may also be running the pump off a 12v golf cart type
battery with
>~300 amp hours capacity. Although I am familiar with
the mechanical
>side of how to hook all this up, I am not familiar
with the theory
>side of what can go wrong (shorts, ground faults,
etc
.)
>
>What is the worst case scenario, say an unsupervised
neighbor child
>decides to get in the water and chase the fish, and
then there is a
>malfunction, etc
, etc
. Is this going to be an
uncomfortable
>shock, or a life threatening situation??
>
>Thanks,
>Carolyn
>
| Message 18
Subject: Re: homestead
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:36:34 -0500
At 09:38 AM 07/24/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>Hello Paula,
> We had a major meltdown. Would you send me the the
url for the homestead
>group (unc.edu) when you have time?
> Thanks, Jerry
Jerry (and anyone else who's interested):
Here's the site I have that should allow you to
subscribe, unsubscribe or
access the archives:
http://lyris.unc.edu/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=HOMESTEAD
Good luck.
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO
65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
| Message 19
Subject: Re: Let's leave a list for Paula
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 17:44:53 -0500 (CDT)
Kris if you call it the BS list every one will think
its mine for 2 good
reasons
Bruce
| Message 20
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 17:55:13 -0500
>From: "Carlos R. Arano"
>Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 18:27:34 -0300
>Dear friends:
>If you are interested in hydroponics, please take
note that my page has
been changed. See:
>
>
http://www.geocities.com/englc_arano
>
>My permanent address is
>c.arano 'at' bigfoot.com
>
>Greatings from Argentina,
>Carlos
| Message 21
Subject: Re: "Kool Ray" liquid shade
From: "Robert Rogers"
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:03:36 -0400
sorry about not ereasing the previous content, I have
had some experience
with greenhouse tomatoes in the mid west. We used
white wash/lime in summer
the rains washed it off for spring, it was cost
effective
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: "Kool Ray" liquid shade
>
> Guys,
>
> I have a small problem with the liquid shade. Why
use it instead of a
shade
> cloth? It stays on permanently (more or less) so
when you have less sun
out
> there, you cannot pull it down to compensate. Etc,
etc, etc. Sure it is
> cheaper than a cloth, but there is labor involved in
putting it on, then
it
> wears out, needs to be reapplied, it may block more
than you want it to,
> etc. etc, etc.
>
> So, although it may be cheap to acquire the basic
paint, after all the
> labor and shortcomings it has, you end up spending
more than on a good
> shade cloth and you get lesser results. Why bother?
>
> -_______________
> Andrei D. Calciu (VA-4270)
> NEC America, Inc.
> 14040 Park Center Dr.
> Herndon, VA 20171-3227
>
> Voice: 703-834-4273
> Fax: 703-787-6613
>
> This message and any attachment are confidential.
If you are not the
> intended recipient, please telephone or email the
sender and delete the
> message and any attachment from your system. If you
are not the intended
> recipient you must not copy this message or
attachment or disclose the
> contents to any other person.
>
>
>
>
> dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.c
> om To:
aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
> Sent by: cc:
> aquaponics-request 'at' t
Subject: "Kool Ray"
liquid shade
> ownsqr.com
>
>
> 07/22/01 03:05 AM
> Please respond to
> aquaponics
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dave could you expand a bit more as to what this is
supposed to be and
> what this was related to?? Is this a paint thingee
that one uses on
> greenhouse glass?
>
> Mike.
>
>
>
> DAVEINBHAM 'at' aol.com wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 7/16/01 11:11:37 PM Central
Standard Time,
> > aquaponics-digest-request 'at' townsqr.com writes:
> >
> > << For a commercial mix you can buy "Kool Ray"
liquid shade. It comes
> > in Regular and Easy-Off. It is always diluted to
achieve the desired
> degree
> > of shading, with average dilution of 8 to 1. I
have used the Easy-Off
> and
> > found it can be washed off with some scrubbing
after being baked in the
> New
> > Mexico sun. I don't know how well it stands up in
high rainfall
> climates. >>
> >
****************************************************************
> > I have used "Kool Ray " here in Alabama where we
average 55 inches of
> rain a
> > year and it works rather well.
> > Regards,
> > Dave
>
>
>
>
| Message 22
Subject: Re: Outside Aquaponics
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 18:08:49 -0500 (CDT)
Pablo if you start with a sereis of tanks each one
higher than the one
on lets say the right side but lower than the one on
the left side you
will get a step stair effect so it takes 1 pump to
water all of them
even if you have 100 fish ponds the exaust from one
feeds the next one
and so on down the line. Now for it to work right you
must have a good
fall of water splashing and mixing in to each tank
below or a fiffle of
water in between tanks for proper areation and the
fiffles can be NFT
chanels . Also rember to add a gravel or perlite
bed/filter/planter
every so often to strip off the fish turds .Such a
system is a copy of a
natural stream go take a close look at one on a hill
side to see what I
mean.
Bruce
| Message 23
Subject: Re: hydroponics in National Geographic
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 18:40:21 -0500 (CDT)
Arlos that was the one about the 6 greatest thinkers
of our (back than)
time and their predictions for the future .The space
age green house was
the idea of Isaac Asmonof. But Buck Minister fuller
was another thinker
in that article let me look I might have that one in
my reference
library Bruce
| Message 24
Subject: Re: NFT aquaponics
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 18:52:59 -0500 (CDT)
Ted and Marc left the list last week right after I
sent the Trap/ Nutria
note .I think I will be begging them both back in
notes tomorrow. Some
folks are touchy about trapping due to common
misconceptions or maybe
they are on vacations
Bruce
| Message 25
Subject: Re: hydroponics in National Geographic
From: "Arlos"
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 16:56:34 -0700
Bruce,
"Bucky" was and is still one of my inspirations. I
have an one going email
exchange with a friend at Vanderberg AFB over a
revision of a hub and
lateral system for dome construction.
Oh, I almost forgot to mention fish and plants
Arlos
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Schreiber
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: hydroponics in National Geographic
Arlos that was the one about the 6 greatest thinkers
of our (back than)
time and their predictions for the future .The space
age green house was
the idea of Isaac Asmonof. But Buck Minister fuller
was another thinker
in that article let me look I might have that one in
my reference
library Bruce
| Message 26
Subject: Re: Luminescence on Fish body
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:55:40 -0500 (CDT)
Mike Many mouth breeders change color pattern as a
signal to males of
their species to leave them alone
Bruce
| Message 27
Subject: RE: On and Off Topic Ponderings (Not Too
Long)
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:16:07 -0500 (CDT)
Ted,Marc ,Folks If I'm A problem just E-mail me .I
have very thick skin
and actually I don't think that I can be insulted but
your welcome to
take a shot at it.
Although for an anarchist like me being called an
elitist
is a giant jab. Preferably my life time of living on
the fringe of
society has put me on the bullseye of public scorn
quite often but to
no effect. You see I am by nature truly socially
insensitive I cant
change it although I've tried .I just don't think or
many times don't
care what some one else thinks. It's like religion I
am one sect your
another and the next guy is another yet. We all think
we are going to
heaven alone while those sinners are going to fry. Yah
right its only a
point of view that we develop from our individual
experiences and maybe
a lot of societal brain washing.
In life I look for faint trails and threads to
follow for a living
but you might prefer an interstate both are right and
wrong
I am sorry to have offended you if you think that
I did. But it was
not my intention
Bruce
| Message 28
Subject: Re: On and Off Topic Ponderings (Not Too
Long)
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:34:14 -0500
Marc,
I'm afraid that I have to agree with my "Jamaican
compadre", Bruce & others.
This list is a family. Some leave but most stay. I am
not an "old timer" on
this list, but I plan to be.I, also, have not seen so
many "unsubscribes" as
I have in the last month or so. I hate to see this
because I feel it is
their loss.
There are so many new ideas discussed on this list
(plus a rehashing of old
things
.which is good too).
I don't know what to say about a new list that
concerns itself with only
technical data. I think it would be quite boring.
Maybe you could start one.
It is quite easy to do.
As I said in an email to Kris, I think I am the
primary "outlaw" on this
list, but I do try to contribute something
constructive at times. I now have
my scanner working, more or less, and I want to send
some pictures of:
tilapia feeding in a cage surrounded by catfish, also
my BEAUTIFUL fusha Koi
swimming around the cage, my really "astoundingly"
successful basil
growbeds, my 2000 gal recirc. system., etc. etc.
Anyone who "unsubscribes"
will miss this.
I guess, basically, if you don't have the time to weed
through articles that
you don't have an interest in or if you don't have the
$ to stay on-line or
if the multitude of, as you say, BS articles don't at
least entertain you,
then maybe you should look elsewhere for a more
technical based list. But,
trust me, you will miss the frivolity of "us".
See ya in NC ?? Hope so!
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: On and Off Topic Ponderings (Not Too
Long)
As a response to some posts on the Sunday Digest:
For what it's worth I am considering the end of
involvement
with the Aquaponics Newsgroup for two reasons:
1. The elitist arrogance of self declared creative and
lateral thinkers who cared little for the protests of
others
and responded with off topic intellectual retching and
flatus designed to discount the protesters wants,
needs and
desires.
2. The incredible amount of off topic BS that fills my
mailbox each day.
(Offended by the above? There is hope. Counseling by
a
qualified person with lots of hard recovery work and
many
people make significant gains with some living out a
reasonably productive life.)
Today I got NINETY FIVE THOUSAND BYTES - 95 KB - from
the
Aquaponics newsgroup on the digest list. Some on topic
but
lots of BEEEEEEEE ESSSSSSSSSS which belongs on other
newsgroups or in chat rooms IMHO.
Regarding my offensiveness - as a social visionary and
sensitive person who has a high level of concern and
consideration for others once said:
"Normally, I wouldn't pay much attention to
complaining"
so was profoundly inspired to emulate this advanced
social
vision for world betterment. We can all learn from
creative
lateral thinkers.
Of course my desires are irrelevant in the greater
scheme of
things. Just do the creative lateral stinking - oops -
thinking thing and I'm another piece of road kill on
the
sole of an Olympian gods boot.
Squisho Minimus,
Marc
| Message 29
Subject: Re: Attachments and graphics & lists
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:38:37 -0500
I'm trying to not do this, but "AMEN" Kris.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "kris book"
To:
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 12:10 AM
Subject: Re: Attachments and graphics & lists
Paula,
Please excuse my omission of lol, on that post to
Steve. And my tongue
in cheek reference about complaining that upset Marc
should also have had
an lol but, I don't think I'll be apologizing to Marc.
I think he likes
being upset.
kris
| Message 30
Subject: Re: Attachments and graphics & lists
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:43:33 -0500
Mike,
That is a wonderful idea. Send me your address. Pls.
don't be offended if I
called you my "Jamaican compadre"
but, you are.
See ya in NC
. (Don't you think they should give me a
speaking position?)
Later
.Steve :)
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 3:22 AM
Subject: Re: Attachments and graphics & lists
S & S Aqua Farm wrote:
>
> At 09:42 PM 07/23/2001 -0600, Kris forwarded from
Steve Spring:
>
> >I hope to be taking some pictures tomorrow and will
be sending these to
the list in the next few days.
Steve, you can send me your pics if you like. I will
post them to the
website we are working on for the group.
Mike
JAMAICA
| Message 31
Subject: Re: my apologies to those I offended
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:51:09 -0500
Hi Mark,
I keep promising myself that I am going to keep my
mouth shut, but it never
works. I always say that "we" on this list are family.
I have been forgiven
for so many transgressions. I'm sometimes totally out
of line, but "the
list" always forgives me.
Speak your heart. We are family.
Later
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
To: "Aquaponics"
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 2:18 AM
Subject: my apologies to those I offended
Hi group,
After reading marc's post, I kinda felt bad that
I may have offended some with my post to Al. I
apologize if I did. I understand the frustration with
lots of mail. I get it too
.so I learned how to deal
with it. But I would never ask another not to express
a thought or ask something because it cluttered my box
or was (seemingly) off topic
.we never know what is
behind it.
I apologize for my long and sometimes conversational
posts. It's how I write. I started writing that way
when I lost my best friend to suicide (which was tied
to things at the wastewater plant
.so I blew the
whistle),
lost my mom to heart failure and lost my job that I
loved
for standing up for people who could not stand up for
themselves
all in 12 months. I hurt so bad I
thought
I would surely die. I had to get it out so I started
writing
and I have never stopped. Sometimes longer posts add
depth and meaning
.sometimes just words. Either way,
I will try to be short and to the point unless
something
requires more information. This list and aquaponics
have
reconnected me with something I thought was
lost
.thank you.
I'm new at this list stuff
.again, my humble
apologies.
Mark
| Message 32
Subject: Re: "Shocking the pond"
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:56:26 -0500
Hand grenades & "half sticks" kind of defeat the
purpose. I have access to
that. The only problem is that you kill EVERYTHING!
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 8:57 AM
Subject: "Shocking the pond"
Steve,
I remember reading somewhere about injecting CO2 in a
fish-tank or pond in
order to stun the fish. They float to the surface and
you can harvest them.
I do not know how much CO2 would become lethal to all
the fish. You may
need to do some research on the subject.
Now the other way reminds me of the good old army days
when we went fishing
with hand grenades . . . . .
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| Message 33
Subject: Surface temp of outside gravel growbeds
From: Carolyn Hoagland
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:56:21 -0500
Wow,
I almost burned my hand that gravel is so hot! I'm
sure that after
all the plants fill out, they will shade the surface,
but what keeps
these young plants from cooking? So far they don't
look fried.
I'm thinking about putting a thin layer of wheat straw
mulch over the
surface. Whaddaya think?
Carolyn
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