Aquaponics Digest - Tue 07/31/01
Message 1: RE: SpaTreatment/AquaTrauma Center
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 2: Waste tire burners
from Michael Olson
Message 3: DC voltage, physician's answer.
from "Attie Esterhuyse"
Message 4: Re: SpaTreatment/AquaTrauma Center
from "Arlos"
Message 5: Re: the "pinch and clip" brigade
from "Devon Williams"
Message 6: RE: DC voltage, physician's answer.
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 7: Re: other types of fish
from "Arlos"
Message 8: RE: DC voltage, physician's answer.
from "gerry magnuson"
Message 9: Re: Cooling for fooling
from "Brent Bingham"
Message 10: RE: Cooling for fooling
oil sources
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 11: Re: Cooling for fooling
from "gerry magnuson"
Message 12: Re: questions about the waste oil burners
from "Brent Bingham"
Message 13: Re: burning corn and waste oil
from "Brent Bingham"
Message 14: Re: SpaTreatment/AquaTrauma Center
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 15: Re: Waste tire burners
from "Brent Bingham"
Message 16: Re: Cooling for fooling
from "Brent Bingham"
Message 17: Re: Cooling for fooling
from kris book
Message 18: [FUTURE-CITIES] Re: [isml] GM tomato
thrives on salt (fwd)
from Franklin Wayne Poley
Message 19: maybe virus
from "Robert Rogers"
Message 20: Re: maybe virus
from dbenhart 'at' essex1.com (David Benhart)
Message 21: Re: maybe virus
from "Laura Dalton"
Message 22: maybe virus
from "Robert Rogers"
Message 23: Fw: maybe virus
from "Laura Dalton"
Message 24: Re: Cooling for fooling
from "Brent Bingham"
Message 25: Re: maybe virus
from "Brent Bingham"
Message 26: Re: maybe virus
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 27: Pacu vs Bluegill
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 28: Itinerary for NC conference
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 29: Re: Itinerary for NC conference
from "Robert Rogers"
Message 30: Re: maybe virus
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 31: Re: SpaTreatment/AquaTrauma Center
from "Arlos"
Message 32: Re: [FUTURE-CITIES] Re: [isml] GM tomato
thrives on salt (fwd)
from "gerry magnuson"
Message 33: RE: Pacu vs Bluegill
from "Chris Jeppesen"
Message 34: OT: firewalls etc.
from Darren Pearce
Message 35: Re: firewalls etc.
from "Arlos"
Message 36: RE: Pacu vs Bluegill
from "gerry magnuson"
Message 37: Re: Lily vase-Betta bowl
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce
Schreiber)
Message 38: Re: SpaTreatment/AquaTrauma Center
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce
Schreiber)
Message 39: Re: Lily vase-Betta bowl
from "Arlos"
Message 40: RE: Pacu vs Bluegill
from "Chris Jeppesen"
Message 41: virus
from "Dorothy Mann"
Message 42: Re: Itinerary for NC conference
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 43: RE: Pacu vs Bluegill
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 44: virus
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 45: Wood gas generator
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 46: Re: Itinerary for NC conference
from Bertmcl 'at' aol.com
| Message 1
Subject: RE: SpaTreatment/AquaTrauma Center
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 00:40:47 -0500
>People with burns and healing wounds were allowed to
soak in the salt
>water, and then the fish were allowed to swarm them.
It was found that
>the wounds were "surgically" nipped off, and cleaned
by the fish.
Mike,
When I was looking for fly larvae info the other day,
I came
across a vet using maggots to remove dead/diseased
tissue
from livestock. I know in Vietnam, they saved
soldiers by
doing the same thing
.it's an amazing and often
misunderstood
world.
>Someone must look into it. Since Im not there yet
I
might as well
>throw it out to public scrutiny
. and use. Hope
someone will find this
>idea interesting.
Someone is looking into it Mike
*smiling*
.and
someone does
find it interesting
.Aquaponics produces the kind of
food our bodies
need. Good protein and healthy greens
.but the way is
does it,
though water and motion
.this has the potential to
heal and calm.
I think aquaponics can produce food for the soul. It
can be
an artistic outlet too as I saw in the lily
vases/betta bowls. We
limit our potential for this experience to confine it
to a food only
system. You have found yet another use
.medicine.
Thanks for
"throwing it out".
peace,
mark
| Message 2
Subject: Waste tire burners
From: Michael Olson
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 00:39:25 -0700 (PDT)
I see your waste oil burners and raise you a waste
tire burner.
http://www.sonicbloom.com/TireBurner.htm
Does anyone think they would have a hard time getting
hold of old tires? The only drawback I know of is
that I was told that the system is very large and
expensive -- for lots of square feet.
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| Message 3
Subject: DC voltage, physician's answer.
From: "Attie Esterhuyse"
Date: 31 Jul 2001 11:39:02 +0200
Sorry for opening this discussion again. I spoke to a
physician on the risks
of low voltage dc, 9V, when the current is transmitted
through the bodily
fluids, as would happen when one's skin is pricked. He
said that this would
be fatal if the current cross the heart. This is when
it flows from one hand
to the other.
If we combine this with the other e-mails, the one on
the guy who tested his
internal resistance and another one on bad wires that
might prick the skin,
it is better to be very careful.
Just thought I must tell you all.
Attie
| Message 4
Subject: Re: SpaTreatment/AquaTrauma Center
From: "Arlos"
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 06:06:03 -0700
Mike,
Just when we about ran the safety thread dry, now
this
.LOL. I'm not quite
able to visualize training fingerlings to nip away
wounded flesh when I had
a hard enough time trying to get my son to clean his
room when he was
younger. Some hospital union is going to complain
about their work is going
to the fish somewhere. I doubt I'm going to convince
any friends to set in
the small tub with my juvenile Red Claw anytime soon.
Arlos
>Mike wrote
I saw where they had a very nice setup like a spa
where someone would
train fingerlings in brackish water to eat feed off
someone, in other
words, just as some brave folks put sugary solutions
on themselves and
let bees swarm them
. the same way, these fingerlings
were trained to
feed off the person, who actually immersed themselves
smeared in feed in
the water. (alternatively small pet fish could be
used
.) After they
were trained like this, they were transferred to the
spa.
-----Original Message-----
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Cc: ground 'at' thrifty.net
Date: Monday, July 30, 2001 9:59 PM
Subject: SpaTreatment/AquaTrauma Center
>
| Message 5
Subject: Re: the "pinch and clip" brigade
From: "Devon Williams"
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 09:09:24 -0400
Carolyn,
I'm sure she would "beat me" for telling this, but my
mom is a member of the
"pinch and clip" brigade
.When I see her do it, I
always make sure to let
her know I see it, and call her a thief! ;-)
.the
difference between my mom
and maybe some others is that she will BUY, BUY,
BUY
.so, maybe the
"freebies" are a little more justified.
Devon Williams
Beer Belly Brothers Brewing
Watkinsville, GA
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>From: Carolyn Hoagland
>Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>Subject: the "pinch and clip" brigade
>Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 08:33:31 -0500
>
>Gerry wrote:
> >
as I have watched women with purses,
> >snip a stem or two for later use.>
>LOL, I used to have a greenhouse and it used to make
me cringe when I
>saw members of the "pinch and clip" crowd come in.
(These folks come
>in both the male and female variety). But I finally
figured out that
>they weren't going to buy that plant anyway - it was
against their
>principles!
>
>Carolyn
| Message 6
Subject: RE: DC voltage, physician's answer.
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 08:45:48 -0500
>it is better to be very careful.
Attie,
Thank you! The thing we take for granted can be
the thing that kills us. I know none of us are going
to be doing Ohm tests on ourselves
.but we all get
cuts,
get poked by wires, etc. We never know. When I was
with my
grandmother the other day I got to thinking about how
small
the voltage is that her pacemaker uses to keep her
alive.
It stands to reason that if you got much over that, it
could have the opposite effect.
Mark
| Message 7
Subject: Re: other types of fish
From: "Arlos"
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 06:57:48 -0700
Mark,
Teresa may have modified her question more based on
Tilapia are not
permitted to be farm raised in California due to the
threat of being an
introduced exotic. Based on her location near
Sacramento she has a different
climate and local market demand may be different than
other locations. Just
like the thread we had going over the use of the Zebra
Mussel in a
controlled environment, CA is going to be forced to
work with a rising
market demand to supply the state with more than
channel cat, rainbow trout,
King salmon, sturgeon
. Crayfish though seems to be
pretty abundant in the
wild as they roam through rice fields like malcontent
youth.
Real Estate prices are the great equalizer here in
setting up an
operation. Farms are being turned into Kaufman and
Broad developments faster
than you can say,"Huh?" Every time I ride up to
Sacramento to work for the
state contractors board once a month, each town I ride
through looks like
the one I just left. Its a spooky foreshadowing of
things to come
everywhere. Californication is not a pretty site. I
applaud anyone in this
state attempting to reverse the trend of turning every
available building
into a dot.com ditto. Just my rant before heading out
into traffic.
Arlos
Arlos
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Allen Wells
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Monday, July 30, 2001 9:40 PM
Subject: RE: other types of fish
>>Oh I forgot I have a few Blue gills. But the book
said they
>did not do as well as carp, tilapia or oscars. They
said oscars
>are good to eat and keep the tilapia population down.
Hum ?
>----
>
>It depends on the water temps and type of blue gill.
Hybrids
>can grow and thrive in lower temps that tilapia can
barely
>live in.
>
>Mark
>
| Message 8
Subject: RE: DC voltage, physician's answer.
From: "gerry magnuson"
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 04:17:04 -1000
what we all lack is a greater abundance of common
sense
>From: "Mark Allen Wells"
>Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>To:
>Subject: RE: DC voltage, physician's answer.
>Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 08:45:48 -0500
>
> >it is better to be very careful.
>
>Attie,
>
>Thank you! The thing we take for granted can be
>the thing that kills us. I know none of us are going
>to be doing Ohm tests on ourselves
.but we all get
cuts,
>get poked by wires, etc. We never know. When I was
with my
>grandmother the other day I got to thinking about how
small
>the voltage is that her pacemaker uses to keep her
alive.
>It stands to reason that if you got much over that,
it
>could have the opposite effect.
>
>Mark
| Message 9
Subject: Re: Cooling for fooling
From: "Brent Bingham"
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 09:15:21 -0700
We are in Arizona and Mexico. We have not found one
company paying for waste
oil. All of the car dealers we called This morning and
yesterday say they
are charged a minimum of $50.00 per load. There are 4
independent truckers
hear that have large trucks which hold 12 gallons
each. Farm tractors have
20 to 30 gallons in there transmissions. Tractor
dealers also have a lot of
oil hear to get rid of. In Arizona you can become
a waste oil transporter / dealer for almost no cost
Brent
----- Original Message -----
From: "bennett"
To:
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: Cooling for fooling
> >If the oil does not contain hazardous waste we use
it. We get calls every
> >day from people wanting to give us oil
>
> Gosh! Where are you located? Here getting it from
service stations,
> garages, quick lube shops, whatever, is almost
impossible. Big tank
trucks
> come in and buy their used oil. Not a ghost of a
chance a "little person"
> could get it at all.
> D.
>
>
| Message 10
Subject: RE: Cooling for fooling
oil sources
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 11:45:11 -0500
> Gosh! Where are you located? Here getting it from
service stations,
> garages, quick lube shops, whatever, is almost
impossible. Big tank
trucks come in and buy their used oil.
I think an individual could set up a neighborhood
do-it-yourself oil
changer's program and still get oil. Brent was
right
.there are lots of
sources and a lot still gets dumped.
mark
| Message 11
Subject: Re: Cooling for fooling
From: "gerry magnuson"
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 06:52:05 -1000
mis-information, never saw a tractor with 20-30
gallons of oil in the
transmission
>From: "Brent Bingham"
>Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: Cooling for fooling
>Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 09:15:21 -0700
>
>We are in Arizona and Mexico. We have not found one
company paying for
>waste
>oil. All of the car dealers we called This morning
and yesterday say they
>are charged a minimum of $50.00 per load. There are 4
independent truckers
>hear that have large trucks which hold 12 gallons
each. Farm tractors have
>20 to 30 gallons in there transmissions. Tractor
dealers also have a lot of
>oil hear to get rid of. In Arizona you can become
> a waste oil transporter / dealer for almost no cost
>Brent
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "bennett"
>To:
>Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 5:46 PM
>Subject: Re: Cooling for fooling
>
>
> > >If the oil does not contain hazardous waste we
use it. We get calls
>every
> > >day from people wanting to give us oil
> >
> > Gosh! Where are you located? Here getting it
from service stations,
> > garages, quick lube shops, whatever, is almost
impossible. Big tank
>trucks
> > come in and buy their used oil. Not a ghost of a
chance a "little
>person"
> > could get it at all.
> > D.
> >
> >
>
| Message 12
Subject: Re: questions about the waste oil burners
From: "Brent Bingham"
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 10:13:24 -0700
Many new car dealers have them back east and a lot
hear in the west.
Not all oil burners are the same. There are some that
put out smoke and drop
soot on anything out side, around the building . They
use a pot and drip oil
in. You get black cleaning the old type. The new type
work like a diesel
engine and inject oil in to a combustion chamber. You
get a small amount of
gray dust out every 1000 hours, if you buy the right
type. They burn at over
1000 degrees F so the oil is totally burned. The good
brands do not smoke.
Red River Produce uses a boilers for heat as we do.
They
heat the tanks and run tubes under the ground. We
copied there system but
added a radiator with a fan behind it to keep the air
in the houses from
getting too cold . We have about 50 days a year that
can get down to the
high 20's at night.
The old systems had to be filled with oil by hand, the
new units are all
automatic. you set a thermostat and oil is moved to
the units by pump
automatically. We get big used tanks and fill them all
summer when the big
oil producers that have units do not use the oil. We
even bought stock in a
quick lube to get the oil.
We size our units by the inside cubic feet of space.
Single wall houses need
around 5-6 BTU's per inside cu ft of space. double
wall buildings get by
with less 4-5 BTU's. Water rock gravel or other high
mass materials hold in
heat. greenhouses make good solar collectors. dig a
hole fill it with 6"
rock and vent out through it all day when it is
warmer. At night reveres the
flow then use the oil heat as a back up. The rocks
store huge amounts of
heat all day then give up heat slowly at night. Water
will do the same thing
but you must run tubes through it to push the solar
heated air.
Mike frazzy at chillersales 'at' 37.com can get you more
info. His web is
www.number1oilfurnace.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "bennett"
To:
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 5:55 PM
Subject: questions about the waste oil burners
> Do they smoke much?
> Do they smell much?
> Are they dirty?
> Does the heat leave a greasy around the building
it's heating?
> About how often do they need refilled?
> About how many gallons of oil would one use to
say
.heat a 26x96
greenhouse
> to 50 deg. when the outside temp. averages 20 deg.?
Well, that's just an
> example. If you can give some other example, I'd
appreciate it.
> About how much does one of these stoves cost?
> Are they available as "whole house furnace" type
units?
> Are they available as small, single room units?
> Does Clean Burn have a web site?
>
> Thanks for any info you can provide. The cost of
heating is the thing
that
> has held me up from setting up my indoor fish farm.
>
>
| Message 13
Subject: Re: burning corn and waste oil
From: "Brent Bingham"
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 10:50:43 -0700
We have one of our people that spends most of the time
updating MSDS sheets
and doing pollution prevention training to other
employees. 10 minutes every
Monday is a little safety and pollutions pep talk
(reminder) that we all
should consider in our operations.
But my great-grandfather said over and over that
"forgiveness was always
easer to get than permission". Today it is not as
easy!
Brent
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
To:
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 9:20 PM
Subject: RE: burning corn and waste oil
> Brent,
>
> I appreciate all the info (especially the corn
stuff).
> I wasn't sure if there were any regs governing waste
oil
> burning or not
but after years of dealing with
the EPA
> and Indiana Dept. of Environmental Management, I
just like
> to make sure I am in compliance
.even when it seems
like
> a lot of BS (which many regs are). I've seen
businesses
> shut down or fined for things they were never even
aware of.
> A little homework can save a lot of hassle. You just
made my
> homework for tonight a little easier
.LOL> thanks
again.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
| Message 14
Subject: Re: SpaTreatment/AquaTrauma Center
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 13:23:23 -0700
Smiling
Arlos arlos arlos.
Adrianna will remember that we spoke at length once
about alternative
medicines and herb usage etc, especially those of
aquaponically grown
herbs. I am not going to get into it
.but alternative
methods of
treatment are out there and they work.Mon U could go to Negril Beach and see the same thing
here in Jamaica!!
I once had a funny experience walking with a bunch of
guineps ( a sour
grape shaped fruit, growing in bunches) and was
spitting out the seeds
as I went, wlking on the shore, behind me. I kept
feeling a nipping on
my ankles, to my amazement I stopped and looked around
and basta
. a
whole gadzillion as ted wouls say of tiny fish were
ripping the remains
of the guineps to shreds, and nipping me in the
process.
I found that because of the levels of tourists in the
water
. that the
fish were REALLY tame!! and very hard to shoo away.so it was better
not to go with food in the water.
My Mom used to "swear" by saltwater. When we had any
trauma in the
family, 3 boys 2 boy cousins, lotsa adopted bros and
sisses then she
would take us to the sea. The scabs get surprisingly
soft and mushy, and
tiny fish, especially herbivorous fish, dont have the
choppers you may
think they have. They nip quite softly, especially
when there are a
whole shoal of them and only an inch to 2 inches big.
AS I said
previously they seem to STOP biting as soon as they
didnt see anymore
mushy scab or soaked skin.
I can see in a space of my greenhouse like
this
fellow
http://tomsgreenhouse.50megs.com/ with the added spa
treatment mark
up
.I mean we need as many diverse markets in this
aquaponics thing as
possible here mon!! Remember
. lateral thoughts
man
.hehehehe :) you
would be surprised at what you may find. Aquaponics in
the heyday, and
spa all throughout for cash flow
.!!
In the meantime, dont tell folks you KNEW the
originator of this crazy
idea till I send ma Lear jet over fer ya
.!!
OK
.lol
???
What a day!! Lateral thought is FANTASTIC!! Thanks to
Mark I now have a
name for it!! Hheehehhe
have a good day all.
><{{{*> Mike Barnett <*}}}><
waiting out the effects of tropical wave in JAMAICA,
West Indies
Arlos wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> Just when we about ran the safety thread dry, now
this
.LOL. I'm not quite
> able to visualize training fingerlings to nip away
wounded flesh when I had
> a hard enough time trying to get my son to clean
his room when he was
> younger. Some hospital union is going to complain
about their work is going
> to the fish somewhere. I doubt I'm going to convince
any friends to set in
> the small tub with my juvenile Red Claw anytime
soon.
>
> Arlos
>
--
| Message 15
Subject: Re: Waste tire burners
From: "Brent Bingham"
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 11:30:46 -0700
Hatch Contractors got in to trouble disposing of the
left over tire residue
and the 500,000 BTU law ,any single unit over 500,000
BTU's is an
incinerator not a heater. EPA and state regulations
kick in at 500,000 and
you must apply for an air quality permit. For your
own protection stick
with equipment that is UL listed. But if you are big
enough and you need
that much heat it is a good idea. I was told the
column of smoke is how they
found Hatch, it went up 2 miles
Brent
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Olson"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 12:39 AM
Subject: Waste tire burners
>
> I see your waste oil burners and raise you a waste
> tire burner.
>
> http://www.sonicbloom.com/TireBurner.htm
>
> Does anyone think they would have a hard time
getting
> hold of old tires? The only drawback I know of is
> that I was told that the system is very large and
> expensive -- for lots of square feet.
>
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| Message 16
Subject: Re: Cooling for fooling
From: "Brent Bingham"
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 11:48:26 -0700
Contact you local Case Farm Tractor Dealer. We have
very many over 20
gallons. The transhydaulic system supplies oil for
hydraulic attachments and
lubricates the gears in the rear end and trany. I can
post the spec sheet on
lub requirements, it is over in the mechanics shop.
But you miss the point
they have a lot of oil that gets hauled away. As heat
it will replace 2 or
more gallons of propane.
Brent
----- Original Message -----
From: "gerry magnuson"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: Cooling for fooling
> mis-information, never saw a tractor with 20-30
gallons of oil in the
> transmission
>
>
> >From: "Brent Bingham"
> >Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
> >To:
> >Subject: Re: Cooling for fooling
> >Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 09:15:21 -0700
> >
> >We are in Arizona and Mexico. We have not found one
company paying for
> >waste
> >oil. All of the car dealers we called This morning
and yesterday say they
> >are charged a minimum of $50.00 per load. There are
4 independent
truckers
> >hear that have large trucks which hold 12 gallons
each. Farm tractors
have
> >20 to 30 gallons in there transmissions. Tractor
dealers also have a lot
of
> >oil hear to get rid of. In Arizona you can become
> > a waste oil transporter / dealer for almost no
cost
> >Brent
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "bennett"
> >To:
> >Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 5:46 PM
> >Subject: Re: Cooling for fooling
> >
> >
> > > >If the oil does not contain hazardous waste we
use it. We get calls
> >every
> > > >day from people wanting to give us oil
> > >
> > > Gosh! Where are you located? Here getting it
from service stations,
> > > garages, quick lube shops, whatever, is almost
impossible. Big tank
> >trucks
> > > come in and buy their used oil. Not a ghost of
a chance a "little
> >person"
> > > could get it at all.
> > > D.
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
/intl.asp
>
>
| Message 17
Subject: Re: Cooling for fooling
From: kris book
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 13:48:18 -0600
Brent,
I rebuilt the tranny in a D-8 Cat dozer. If I remember
right, it took 28
gallons to fill.
kris
| Message 18
Subject: [FUTURE-CITIES] Re: [isml] GM tomato thrives
on salt (fwd)
From: Franklin Wayne Poley
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 13:32:13 -0700 (PDT)
Any comments on other crops which might be grown at
sea?
FWP
---- Forwarded message ----
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 11:24:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Party of Citizens
Reply-To: FUTURE-CITIES 'at' yahoogroups.com
To: isml
Cc: future-cities 'at' yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FUTURE-CITIES] Re: [isml] GM tomato thrives
on salt
This was on CTV news last night (print news) billed as
a U of T discovery.
I used to do a little hydroponic tomato farming, and
my tomatoes rooted in
100% sawdust in plastic troughs. I visited another
tomato farmer who was
growing by what they called "nutrient film technique".
The roots just
dangled in water and the nutrients were added to the
water. Neither soil
nor simulated soil are needed. If a variety of GM
ocean-water crops can be
grown the implications are indeed staggering. The
entire ocean surface
could be used for land crops. A Buckminster Fuller
"Deep Sea City" could
grow land crops in the ocean water, as could cities
built along
shorelines. Then there is "tissue culture
technology"
.growing food in
vitro. But that seems to be further down the road for
practical use.
POC
On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, DS2000 wrote:
> From Ananova,
>
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_363283.html?menu=news.scienceanddiscove
> ry
> -
> GM tomato thrives on salt
>
> Scientists have created a tomato that thrives on
salty water.
>
> The genetically engineered plant is the first truly
salt-tolerant crop and
> could help feed some of the world's expanding
population.
>
> Researchers hope such crops will enable areas of
poor quality land to become
> productive.
>
> Worldwide an estimated 24.7 million acres, an area
one fifth the size of
> California, is lost to agriculture each year because
the land has become too
> salty.
>
> The main cause of the problem is irrigation - the
salty water leaves mineral
> deposits in the soil.
>
> Over time, salts such as sodium, calcium, magnesium
and chloride, build up
> to a point where they severely hinder the growth of
crops.
>
> Salt wreaks havoc on most plants by upsetting their
ability to draw up water
> through their roots.
>
> The GM tomato produced by US and Canadian scientists
counteracts this by
> trapping salts in compartments within its leaf cells
so the fruit doesn't
> taste salty.
>
> Story filed: 00:20 Tuesday 31st July 2001
>
> --
> Dan S
>
>
>
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| Message 19
Subject: maybe virus
From: "Robert Rogers"
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 18:05:56 -0400
I just saw an email I recieved today, addressed;
FROM: dweeks Jul 9, 2001 DBW leter to brazil
in my haste to read my emails I opened the mail,
it reads
Hi! How are you?
I send you this file in order to have your advice
See you later. Thanks
It has an attachment which I did not open, I do
not know this person,
and havn't determined where it came from.
just for everyone's information
Bob
| Message 20
Subject: Re: maybe virus
From: dbenhart 'at' essex1.com (David Benhart)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 17:09:24 -0700
I've gotten this e-mail 3 or 4 times in the last week
did not open the attachment either
if someone knows what it is let us all know please!!
Dave and Cyndi Benhart
Shore Acres Greenhouse
Robert Rogers wrote:
> I just saw an email I recieved today, addressed;
>
> FROM: dweeks Jul 9, 2001 DBW leter to brazil
>
> in my haste to read my emails I opened the mail,
> it reads
>
> Hi! How are you?
> I send you this file in order to have your advice
>
> See you later. Thanks
>
> It has an attachment which I did not open, I
do not know this person,
> and havn't determined where it came from.
> just for everyone's information
> Bob
| Message 21
Subject: Re: maybe virus
From: "Laura Dalton"
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 17:27:34 -0500
> >This is definitely a virus - w32.sircam.worm. It's
a very destructive
virus, our Chamber of Commerce was infected and the
virus mailed out to the
membership.
Both computers at the Chamber needed to be totally
reloaded with operating
systems and applications. If you have opened the
attachment you will be
infected and your system will have already mailed out
to address contained
on your system.
Both Norton and McAfee have fixes for the virus and
you should make sure
that you are running a virus checker and your
definitions are up to date.
> > Hi! How are you?
> > I send you this file in order to have your advice
> >
> > See you later. Thanks
> >
> > It has an attachment which I did not open,
I do not know this
person,
> > and havn't determined where it came from.
> > just for everyone's information
> > Bob
>
| Message 22
Subject: maybe virus
From: "Robert Rogers"
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 18:26:16 -0400
I also had a flag from my firewall software, but am
too ignorant to know
what that means. Perhaps an attempted probe of my hard
drive.
| Message 23
Subject: Fw: maybe virus
From: "Laura Dalton"
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 17:28:48 -0500
Oops, sorry Paula I sent the previous in html.
> > >This is definitely a virus - w32.sircam.worm.
It's a very destructive
> virus, our Chamber of Commerce was infected and the
virus mailed out to
the
> membership.
> Both computers at the Chamber needed to be totally
reloaded with operating
> systems and applications. If you have opened the
attachment you will be
> infected and your system will have already mailed
out to address contained
> on your system.
> Both Norton and McAfee have fixes for the virus and
you should make sure
> that you are running a virus checker and your
definitions are up to date.
>
> > > Hi! How are you?
> > > I send you this file in order to have your
advice
> > >
> > > See you later. Thanks
> > >
> > > It has an attachment which I did not
open, I do not know this
> person,
> > > and havn't determined where it came from.
> > > just for everyone's information
> > > Bob
> >
>
| Message 24
Subject: Re: Cooling for fooling
From: "Brent Bingham"
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:49:17 -0700
We go through our old John Deer's every 3 years to do
the brakes and mis. A
55 gallon drum cut 50 / 50 will not hold all models
rear end oil.
Maybe he was talking about garden tractors? The old
cat 8's used 30 weight
oil in everything.
Brent
----- Original Message -----
From: "kris book"
To:
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: Cooling for fooling
> Brent,
>
> I rebuilt the tranny in a D-8 Cat dozer. If I
remember right, it took 28
> gallons to fill.
>
> kris
>
| Message 25
Subject: Re: maybe virus
From: "Brent Bingham"
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:54:44 -0700
I received it as well. If you use windows NT or 2000
do not open any unknown
e-mails until you get the red worm virus update. It is
free from
www.nipc.gov why take chances?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Rogers"
To: "aquaponics mail group"
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 3:05 PM
Subject: maybe virus
> I just saw an email I recieved today, addressed;
>
> FROM: dweeks Jul 9, 2001 DBW leter to brazil
>
> in my haste to read my emails I opened the mail,
> it reads
>
> Hi! How are you?
> I send you this file in order to have your advice
>
> See you later. Thanks
>
>
> It has an attachment which I did not open, I
do not know this
person,
> and havn't determined where it came from.
> just for everyone's information
> Bob
>
>
>
| Message 26
Subject: Re: maybe virus
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 18:05:38 -0700
David Benhart wrote:
>
> I've gotten this e-mail 3 or 4 times in the last
week
> did not open the attachment either
> if someone knows what it is let us all know please!!
> Dave and Cyndi Benhart
> Shore Acres Greenhouse
>
--
Mike writes,
I too got this. This was from the service provider. In
my case the virus
sent itself in the form of a XLS Excel spreadsheet. I
ALMOST opened it
but thank God
. I wrote the person instead and asked
what they needed
help with. It bounced.
I killed it. (the file.)
Confession is good for the soul.
Mike
> This is to advise you, that a virus has been going
around with the
> following message:
>
> Hi! How are you?
>
> I send you this file in order to have your advice
>
> See you later. Thanks
>
> **A file is attached here***
> (format eg. filename.xls.pif)
>
> This message was received by us from some of our
subscribers. The
> attachment contains a virus, and we strongly
recommend that you do a virus
> check on your system. We would also advise you to
inform all the persons
> listed in your address book as this virus propagates
itself by sending an
> e-mail to each person listed in the address book.
>
> You should visit the following link to learn more
about this virus and to
> download a virus removal tool. Follow the
instructions to remove this
virus.
>
>
http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.sircam.worm 'at' mm.html
>
> This is not a hoax, and should be treated seriously.
><{{{*> Mike Barnett <*}}}><
JAMAICA, West Indies
| Message 27
Subject: Pacu vs Bluegill
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 17:59:19 -0500
Hi Bruce,
Got a call from Dennis today. He said that the Pacu
are still going to cost
me around $1.40 - $1.50 ea plus s&h which would make
them cost around $1.75
ea.
Bruce, I think I am going to pass on this and just do
the hybrid bluegills.
(If my feeble memory serves me right, I can get the
bluegills in for about
$.37/ea including shipping.) As Gordon said in one of
his last posts, he is
running 300 bluegills in a 1,000 gal system. I should
be able to stock 500 -
750 in my 1,600 gal system and still have 1,000 -
1,250 in the pond. Besides
all of this, I can sell Bluegill all day long and if I
go with the Pacu, I
have to start educating people to a different fish
again.
Also, Gordon is maintaining his water temp around 60F
for the bluegills vs
80F for the Tilapia. This will significantly decrease
my power consumption
(thereby operating $) because when the tank water
heater kicks in the power
consumption goes "through the roof".
(I'm cc'ing the list with this just to see if anybody
else has any input
concerning this.)
Thanks
Steve
| Message 28
Subject: Itinerary for NC conference
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 18:03:26 -0500
Has anyone sent an email to the list with the
itinerary for the NC
conference in November? I think I have my scanner
working properly now and
will send the itinerary to the list if any wish. I
don't want to send this
if there are those who don't want. Paula, jump in on
this if you would.
Thanks
.Steve
| Message 29
Subject: Re: Itinerary for NC conference
From: "Robert Rogers"
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 19:15:49 -0400
I ,for one, would like the info Steve.
either off list or on
----- Original Message -----
From: "STEVE SPRING"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 7:03 PM
Subject: Itinerary for NC conference
> Has anyone sent an email to the list with the
itinerary for the NC
> conference in November? I think I have my scanner
working properly now and
> will send the itinerary to the list if any wish. I
don't want to send this
> if there are those who don't want. Paula, jump in on
this if you would.
>
> Thanks
.Steve
>
>
>
| Message 30
Subject: Re: maybe virus
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 18:24:25 -0500
OH NO!!
I seemed to remember David Weeks was a member of the
list. I opened the
attachment. Oh well, I could be in DEEP SH
!
Well, we'll see. (It is a religious message by the
way.)
Hope for the best
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Rogers"
To: "aquaponics mail group"
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 5:05 PM
Subject: maybe virus
I just saw an email I recieved today, addressed;
FROM: dweeks Jul 9, 2001 DBW leter to brazil
in my haste to read my emails I opened the mail,
it reads
Hi! How are you?
I send you this file in order to have your advice
See you later. Thanks
It has an attachment which I did not open, I do
not know this person,
and havn't determined where it came from.
just for everyone's information
Bob
| Message 31
Subject: Re: SpaTreatment/AquaTrauma Center
From: "Arlos"
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 16:43:40 -0700
Mike,
No argument about the value of alternative medicine
from me. living on the
Pacific rim offers a chance to see herbs certainly not
found in
America's heart land that I would be interested in
growing via aquaponics.
I'm going to check with a Doctor of Oriental Medicine
I know and ask her the
effects on herbs grown in the water as specific
properties of soil and
orientation on the land (east facing hill, etc
)
impart characteristics
that may or may not be affected by aquaponics.Growing
ginseng has certainly
made the A list here but its a 3 yr. crop minimum.
Along with tiger ginger
and porcelain garlic a fresh water eel that is BBQ'd
had definite
possibilities. A variety of lettuce called, "Kentucky
limestone bib lettuce"
is about the most exotic salad product I can find
locally that hasn't been
grown by everyone up and down the road
From diving, I've seen first hand cleaner shrimp
and cleaner Wrasse
working the crowd as it were on Morey eels. as to the
therapeutic value of
sea water, again no argument. Surfing since I was a
fry until my son was
born, I never had a cold and yes sores always healed
quicker being in the
ocean frequently. I'm still not going to bath with my
Red Claw.
Arlos
-----Original Message-----
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: SpaTreatment/AquaTrauma Center
>Smiling
Arlos arlos arlos.>
>Adrianna will remember that we spoke at length once
about alternative
>medicines and herb usage etc, especially those of
aquaponically grown
>herbs. I am not going to get into it
.but
alternative methods of
>treatment are out there and they work.>Mon U could go to Negril Beach and see the same thing
here in Jamaica!!
>I once had a funny experience walking with a bunch of
guineps ( a sour
>grape shaped fruit, growing in bunches) and was
spitting out the seeds
>as I went, wlking on the shore, behind me. I kept
feeling a nipping on
>my ankles, to my amazement I stopped and looked
around and basta
. a
>whole gadzillion as ted wouls say of tiny fish were
ripping the remains
>of the guineps to shreds, and nipping me in the
process.
>
>I found that because of the levels of tourists in the
water
. that the
>fish were REALLY tame!! and very hard to shoo away.so it was better
>not to go with food in the water.
>
>My Mom used to "swear" by saltwater. When we had any
trauma in the
>family, 3 boys 2 boy cousins, lotsa adopted bros and
sisses then she
>would take us to the sea. The scabs get surprisingly
soft and mushy, and
>tiny fish, especially herbivorous fish, dont have the
choppers you may
>think they have. They nip quite softly, especially
when there are a
>whole shoal of them and only an inch to 2 inches big.
AS I said
>previously they seem to STOP biting as soon as they
didnt see anymore
>mushy scab or soaked skin.>
>I can see in a space of my greenhouse like
this
fellow
>http://tomsgreenhouse.50megs.com/ with the added spa
treatment mark
>up
.I mean we need as many diverse markets in this
aquaponics thing as
>possible here mon!! Remember
. lateral thoughts
man
.hehehehe :) you
>would be surprised at what you may find. Aquaponics
in the heyday, and
>spa all throughout for cash flow
.!!
>
>In the meantime, dont tell folks you KNEW the
originator of this crazy
>idea till I send ma Lear jet over fer ya
.!!
OK
.lol
???
>
>What a day!! Lateral thought is FANTASTIC!! Thanks to
Mark I now have a
>name for it!! Hheehehhe
>
>have a good day all.>
> ><{{{*> Mike Barnett <*}}}><
>waiting out the effects of tropical wave in JAMAICA,
West Indies
>
>
>
>
>Arlos wrote:
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> Just when we about ran the safety thread dry, now
this
.LOL. I'm not
quite
>> able to visualize training fingerlings to nip away
wounded flesh when I
had
>> a hard enough time trying to get my son to clean
his room when he was
>> younger. Some hospital union is going to complain
about their work is
going
>> to the fish somewhere. I doubt I'm going to
convince any friends to set
in
>> the small tub with my juvenile Red Claw anytime
soon.
>>
>> Arlos
>>
>
>--
>
| Message 32
Subject: Re: [FUTURE-CITIES] Re: [isml] GM tomato
thrives on salt (fwd)
From: "gerry magnuson"
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:15:43 -1000
aloha, you may try finding OTEC in kailua-kona,
hawaii, as they utilize deep
water from the ocean, comes up cold with tons of
nutrients, not salty as on
the surface, there are free grants to try any product
at the site, many
failure, and a few successes, someone may find and
contact them, saw it
advertised with aquaponic, seaweeds and kelp are in
high demand
.the first
tomato grown in saltwater successfully was at the
beach below the pool house
at pebble beach, someone had thrown their slice from a
hamburger or such,
the plant was growing and producing fruit, tomato IS a
fruit
.UCD in
california was doing hard research for crops to be
grownin salt conditions,
the salton sea in southern california being the test
study and purpose,
started in the 70s, UC, davis has a very extensive
library on most all
subjects
.coffeecowboy
>From: Franklin Wayne Poley
>Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>Subject: [FUTURE-CITIES] Re: [isml] GM tomato thrives
on salt (fwd)
>Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 13:32:13 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Any comments on other crops which might be grown at
sea?
>FWP
>
>---- Forwarded message ----
>Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 11:24:49 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Party of Citizens
>Reply-To: FUTURE-CITIES 'at' yahoogroups.com
>To: isml
>Cc: future-cities 'at' yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [FUTURE-CITIES] Re: [isml] GM tomato thrives
on salt
>
>This was on CTV news last night (print news) billed
as a U of T discovery.
>I used to do a little hydroponic tomato farming, and
my tomatoes rooted in
>100% sawdust in plastic troughs. I visited another
tomato farmer who was
>growing by what they called "nutrient film
technique". The roots just
>dangled in water and the nutrients were added to the
water. Neither soil
>nor simulated soil are needed. If a variety of GM
ocean-water crops can be
>grown the implications are indeed staggering. The
entire ocean surface
>could be used for land crops. A Buckminster Fuller
"Deep Sea City" could
>grow land crops in the ocean water, as could cities
built along
>shorelines. Then there is "tissue culture
technology"
.growing food in
>vitro. But that seems to be further down the road for
practical use.
>POC
>
>On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, DS2000 wrote:
>
> > From Ananova,
> >
>
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_363283.html?menu=news.scienceanddiscove
> > ry
> > -
> > GM tomato thrives on salt
> >
> > Scientists have created a tomato that thrives on
salty water.
> >
> > The genetically engineered plant is the first
truly salt-tolerant crop
>and
> > could help feed some of the world's expanding
population.
> >
> > Researchers hope such crops will enable areas of
poor quality land to
>become
> > productive.
> >
> > Worldwide an estimated 24.7 million acres, an area
one fifth the size of
> > California, is lost to agriculture each year
because the land has become
>too
> > salty.
> >
> > The main cause of the problem is irrigation - the
salty water leaves
>mineral
> > deposits in the soil.
> >
> > Over time, salts such as sodium, calcium,
magnesium and chloride, build
>up
> > to a point where they severely hinder the growth
of crops.
> >
> > Salt wreaks havoc on most plants by upsetting
their ability to draw up
>water
> > through their roots.
> >
> > The GM tomato produced by US and Canadian
scientists counteracts this by
> > trapping salts in compartments within its leaf
cells so the fruit
>doesn't
> > taste salty.
> >
> > Story filed: 00:20 Tuesday 31st July 2001
> >
> > --
> > Dan S
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > - To subscribe:
http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/isml
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>"Culture of Life" would it be the same as a Vatican
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| Message 33
Subject: RE: Pacu vs Bluegill
From: "Chris Jeppesen"
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 18:56:27 -0700
Steve
Bruce
Is this a deal I could get in on. That sounds like an
excelent price for Pacu.
Chris Jeppesen
> "STEVE SPRING" >Hi Bruce,
>>Got a call from Dennis today. He said that the Pacu
are still going to cost
>me around $1.40 - $1.50 ea plus s&h which would make
them cost around $1.75 ea.
| Message 34
Subject: OT: firewalls etc.
From: Darren Pearce
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 22:01:29 -0400
Everyone should run a firewall and a virus detection
progran."ZoneAlarm" is an
excellant firewall , free for the download(search zone
alarm) and I wouldn't
connect without it these days.
As to attachments
. don't open them unless they are
from a KNOWN trusted
source.Any relevant info sent to a group (such as this
mail list ) can easily
be posted onto a website for general public
viewing.Free web-space is readily
available.
peace
Darren
(PS:Arlos, what kinda therapeutic buds would that
be
.HAHA)
| Message 35
Subject: Re: firewalls etc.
From: "Arlos"
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 19:24:21 -0700
Darren,
Got it, use it. Great program. I happen to know the
developer, he used to
be one of the top dogs at Borland. I particularly like
the feature when some
lowlife is pinging your 'puter and you can email them
or call and politely
let them know it's not nice to sneak around in some
else's CPU. I did this
to someone local one morning and said I was one my way
down to his office to
have a little chit chat as zone alarm kept warning me
he was attempting to
access my end. (I'm 6'3" and 245 lb and don't play
well with others before
I've had coffee in the morning)
>forgot to mention fish and plants.
Arlos
-----Original Message-----
From: Darren Pearce
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 7:01 PM
Subject: OT: firewalls etc.
>Everyone should run a firewall and a virus detection
progran."ZoneAlarm" is
an
>excellant firewall , free for the download(search
zone alarm) and I
wouldn't
>connect without it these days.
>As to attachments
. don't open them unless they are
from a KNOWN trusted
>source.Any relevant info sent to a group (such as
this mail list ) can
easily
>be posted onto a website for general public
viewing.Free web-space is
readily
>available.
>
>peace
>
>Darren
>
>(PS:Arlos, what kinda therapeutic buds would that
be
.HAHA)
>
>
| Message 36
Subject: RE: Pacu vs Bluegill
From: "gerry magnuson"
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 16:27:11 -1000
okay, what is Pacu? pakalolo is crazy weed in hawaii,
any relation, add some
more zeroes for paka
>From: "Chris Jeppesen"
>Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>Subject: RE: Pacu vs Bluegill
>Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 18:56:27 -0700
>
>Steve
>Bruce
>Is this a deal I could get in on. That sounds like an
excelent price for
>Pacu.
>Chris Jeppesen
>
> > "STEVE SPRING" >Hi Bruce,
> >>Got a call from Dennis today. He said that the
Pacu are still going to
>cost
> >me around $1.40 - $1.50 ea plus s&h which would
make them cost around
>$1.75 ea.
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| Message 37
Subject: Re: Lily vase-Betta bowl
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 21:28:35 -0500 (CDT)
Mike I think thats why my wifey isn't in the habit of
arguing with me
.She likes to have the last word but with me she never
seems to. So she
laughs with me and argues with any body else.
Question is there any one out there that has ever
built a
fiberglass exibit tank like you would see in a zoo or
aquarium ?
Id'e lke to make a few big ones
Today was anouther 20hr. work day for me
Bruce
| Message 38
Subject: Re: SpaTreatment/AquaTrauma Center
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 21:34:23 -0500 (CDT)
Mike was that a thermal spring in Turkey
Bruce
| Message 39
Subject: Re: Lily vase-Betta bowl
From: "Arlos"
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 19:43:52 -0700
Bruce,
email me off the board, I build 'em.
Arlos
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Schreiber
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: Lily vase-Betta bowl
Mike I think thats why my wifey isn't in the habit of
arguing with me
.She likes to have the last word but with me she never
seems to. So she
laughs with me and argues with any body else.
Question is there any one out there that has ever
built a
fiberglass exibit tank like you would see in a zoo or
aquarium ?
Id'e lke to make a few big ones
Today was anouther 20hr. work day for me
Bruce
| Message 40
Subject: RE: Pacu vs Bluegill
From: "Chris Jeppesen"
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 19:56:13 -0700
Gerry
Check this site
http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/SpeciesSummary.cfm?genusname=Colossoma&speciesname=macropomum
>
>okay, what is Pacu? pakalolo is crazy weed in hawaii,
any relation, add some
>more zeroes for paka
>
>
| Message 41
Subject: virus
From: "Dorothy Mann"
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 23:04:11 -0500
That is the W32.Sircam virus
I do email support for a cable modem ISP.
We were hit pretty hard by this new virus last week.
Check it out at
http://symantec.com
Be careful of attachments
A lurker
Becky Hines
| Message 42
Subject: Re: Itinerary for NC conference
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 22:49:49 -0500
Hi Robert,
I was going to send the itinerary, but I see I would
be responding to the
list & I don't want to do this until I hear that it is
o.k. from Paula.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Rogers"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: Itinerary for NC conference
I ,for one, would like the info Steve.
either off list or on
----- Original Message -----
From: "STEVE SPRING"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 7:03 PM
Subject: Itinerary for NC conference
> Has anyone sent an email to the list with the
itinerary for the NC
> conference in November? I think I have my scanner
working properly now and
> will send the itinerary to the list if any wish. I
don't want to send this
> if there are those who don't want. Paula, jump in on
this if you would.
>
> Thanks
.Steve
>
>
>
| Message 43
Subject: RE: Pacu vs Bluegill
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 23:22:02 -0500
Steve,
Another thing I love about bluegill here in Indiana
and much of the country is the fish truck stops at a
farm and fleet store about a mile from here. When I
get
my other aquarium set up, I am going to throw a couple
of grass carp in for the heck of it. I will agree
that
under ideal conditions, tilapia are hard to beat
.but
we
don't all have those conditions. For cooler water,
price
and availability, hybrid bluegill are hard to beat
here.
Mark
| Message 44
Subject: virus
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 23:00:59 -0500
Well, I'm still here. Got an email from David Weeks
but I was afraid to
respond to it. I was right. He is a member of the
list. It seems like his
mailing list was infected.
I guess that to be absolutely certain, you need to
know that an attachment
is coming and from whom it is coming from. I kind of
relate this to people
who throw nails on a road and who put poison in
Tylenol bottles. Lets hurt
someone
.doesn't matter who
.just hurt someone. Heil
Hitler and all that
stuff!! :(
Maybe I'll survive. We'll see.
Steve
| Message 45
Subject: Wood gas generator
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 23:30:12 -0500
Have lots of wood? Want to make your own wood gas?
http://www.gengas.nu/byggbes/contents.shtml
This one caught my eye because I have several LARGE
trees that will be coming down one day.
Mark
| Message 46
Subject: Re: Itinerary for NC conference
From: Bertmcl 'at' aol.com
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 01:04:00 EDT
Steve,
I Have the brochure w/interary, I don't have a scanner
but will fax to anyone
interested.
Bert
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