Aquaponics Digest - Wed 08/01/01
Message 1: Re: SpaTreatment/AquaTrauma Center
from dreadlox
Message 2: Lurkdom gone!!
from dreadlox
Message 3: RE: SpaTreatment/AquaTrauma Center
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 4: Re: other types of fish
from John Cheng
Message 5: Re:GM tomato thrives on salt (fwd)
from "dyarrow"
Message 6: RE: SpaTreatment/AquaTrauma Center
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 7: RE: other types of fish
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 8: Re: GM tomato thrives on salt (fwd)
from dreadlox
Message 9: Re: [FUTURE-CITIES] Re: [isml] GM tomato thrives on salt (fwd)
from "Attie Esterhuyse"
Message 10: Re: GM tomato thrives on salt (fwd)
from "Chris Jeppesen"
Message 11: Mike in JAMAICA - Re: GM tomato thrives on salt (fwd)
from "bennett"
Message 12: Attie - Spirulina question
from "bennett"
Message 13: Re: SpaTreatment/AquaTrauma Center
from (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 14: RE: SpaTreatment/AquaTrauma Center
from (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 15: RE: SpaTreatment/AquaTrauma Center
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 16: Which way is the caddy shack?
from kris book
Message 17: Re: GM tomato thrives on salt (fwd)
from (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 18: RE: Pacu vs Bluegill
from (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 19: RE: GM tomato thrives on salt (fwd)
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 20: Re: other types of fish
from (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 21: RE: Pacu vs Bluegill
from "Chris Jeppesen"
Message 22: RE: Pacu vs Bluegill
from (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 23: RE: Pacu vs Bluegill
from "Chris Jeppesen"
Message 24: unsubscribe
from HoneyAcres 'at' aol.com
Message 25: Reply to - Re: firewalls etc.
from "David Atkinson"
Message 26: Re: Pacu vs Bluegill
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 27: Re: Itinerary for NC conference
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 28: virus from Dennis's email list
from "STEVE SPRING"
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| Message 1
Subject: Re: SpaTreatment/AquaTrauma Center
From: dreadlox
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 01:45:25 -0700
Bruce Schreiber wrote:
>
> Mike was that a thermal spring in Turkey
> Bruce
Bruce, you amaze me. You should go to play on one of those "jeopardy"
type programs.
You win!! 1000 points for you!! It was in Turkey. I spent a lot of time
in that country.
--
><{{{*> Mike Barnett <*}}}><
JAMAICA, West Indies
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| Message 2
Subject: Lurkdom gone!!
From: dreadlox
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 01:48:55 -0700
Well Becky Hines aka Dorothy Mann!!
You blew it
you just forfeited your lurkdom and are now in full public
scrutiny!! lol
After giggling a bit
. welcome to the group, thanks for the info and
please keep posting your questions openly.
><{{{*> Mike Barnett <*}}}><
JAMAICA, West Indies
Dorothy Mann wrote:
>
> That is the W32.Sircam virus
> I do email support for a cable modem ISP.
> We were hit pretty hard by this new virus last week.
> Check it out at
> http://symantec.com
>
> Be careful of attachments
> A lurker
> Becky Hines
--
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| Message 3
Subject: RE: SpaTreatment/AquaTrauma Center
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 02:18:41 -0500
>I mean we need as many diverse markets in this aquaponics thing as
>possible here mon!! Remember
. lateral thoughts man
.hehehehe :) you
>would be surprised at what you may find. Aquaponics in the heyday, and
>spa all throughout for cash flow
.!!
Amen Brother!
>LOL>
I have watched my other friend, Mike
.the pet store owner
.grow from
a guy maintaining aquariums in businesses on the side to owning the best
pet store in the area. He did this by making his customers his friends
and by DIVERSITY. Too much potential here to think strictly fish/produce.
>What a day!! Lateral thought is FANTASTIC!! Thanks to Mark I now have a
>name for it!! Hheehehhe
Awwww shucks
.LOL. Don't thank me
.thank Bruce, he asked the question.
HINT: asking questions leads to all sorts of neat places
lurkers and
newbies, PLEASE ask
no matter how silly (aka 'off topic') it may seem.
It gets technical sometimes
.a few of us like techie stuff
.we can't
help it
.we were raised that way
.LOL
.but don't let that stop you.ask away!
>I doubt I'm going to convince any friends to set in
> the small tub with my juvenile Red Claw anytime soon.
LOL
.me neither, Arlos. But when I thought of Mike's post and it's
potential in veterinary medicine
. I had to smile.
*grinning like a possum*
mark
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| Message 4
Subject: Re: other types of fish
From: John Cheng
Date: 1 Aug 2001 00:25:39 -0700
> I live in Gilroy, CA. I am interesting in raise Tilapia. State says Tilapia is not allowed in
this county even in the green house. You mentioned the state may be forced into get more
species of fishes into the market. What we can do about it? I read other note mentioned about
PACU and Hybrid Bluegill, etc. Where I can find more info. about how to raise them?
Thanks.
>
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http://www.shopping.altavista.com
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| Message 5
Subject: Re:GM tomato thrives on salt (fwd)
From: "dyarrow"
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:27:03 -0400
in the 1950's, dr. maynard murray discovered that plants grown with "sea
solids" are superior in every way to conventionally fertilized crops. not
only grow better, stronger, hardier, faster -- but they taste better and
refuse to get diseased. with measureably higher levels of nutrients -- not
only minerals, but vitamins. in over 25 years, he tested sea solids on a
wide range of crops, and then teste those crops as animal feeds.
he tested his sea solids with hydroponics, too, and was astonished at their
success. he started a hydroponic farm near fort myers, florida, and made a
great deal of money raising and marketing tomatoes, cukes, peppers, and
other produce. his produce was preferred by buyers not only for its
superior taste, quality, and productivity, but had a much longer keeping
time.
"sea solids" is not salt in the common sense of sodium chloride (table
salt), but contain all essential minerals in sea water, especially trace
elements. these minerals are present in precise ratios essentially the same
as in human blood. dr. murray realized that refined salt (sodium chloride)
as a straight soil amendment will kill most crop plants.
in the 1970's dr. murray wrote and published a small book -- sea energy
agriculture -- on his 25+ years of research with sea solids. his work was
ignored, and he died believing his discoverie swere lost on our chemical
crazy culture.
however, the year before murray died, his hydroponic farm was bought by don
jansen, a mennonite grain and buffalo farmer in nebraska, who has kept the
operation going succesfully, profitably for nearly 20 years since. don has
become completely frustrated with the chemical fertilizer mentality
entrenched in america, and is now taking his system to haiti.
i wrote an article about dr. murray's research, with excerpts from his book:
www.championtrees.org/topsoil/SeaEnergy.htm
~ David Yarrow
Turtle EyeLand Sanctuary
44 Gilligan Road, East Greenbush, NY 12061
518-477-6100
www.championtrees.org
----- Original Message -----
From: "gerry magnuson"
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [FUTURE-CITIES] Re: [isml] GM tomato thrives on salt (fwd)
> aloha, you may try finding OTEC in kailua-kona, hawaii, as they utilize
deep
> water from the ocean, comes up cold with tons of nutrients, not salty as
on
> the surface, there are free grants to try any product at the site, many
> failure, and a few successes, someone may find and contact them, saw it
> advertised with aquaponic, seaweeds and kelp are in high demand
.the
first
> tomato grown in saltwater successfully was at the beach below the pool
house
> at pebble beach, someone had thrown their slice from a hamburger or such,
> the plant was growing and producing fruit, tomato IS a fruit
.UCD in
> california was doing hard research for crops to be grownin salt
conditions,
> the salton sea in southern california being the test study and purpose,
> started in the 70s, UC, davis has a very extensive library on most all
> subjects
.coffeecowboy
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| Message 6
Subject: RE: SpaTreatment/AquaTrauma Center
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 02:37:39 -0500
> Mike was that a thermal spring in Turkey
> Bruce
Bruce, you amaze me. You should go to play on one of those "jeopardy"
type programs. You win!! 1000 points for you!! It was in Turkey.
I spent a lot of time in that country.
--
><{{{*> Mike Barnett <*}}}><
JAMAICA, West Indies
----
LOL> "I'll take 'Medicinal use of herbivorous fish' for $1000
please. And the answer is
." LOL> Ditto, Mike
Bruce, you are amazing.
peace
Mark
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| Message 7
Subject: RE: other types of fish
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 02:50:37 -0500
> I live in Gilroy, CA. I am interesting in raise Tilapia. State says
Tilapia is not allowed in >this county even in the green house. You
mentioned the state may be forced into get more species> of fishes into the
market. What we can do about it? I read other note mentioned about PACU and
Hybrid Bluegill, etc. Where I can find more info. about how to raise them?
Thanks.
>
-----
Here are a couple of nice bluegill links.
http://ag.ansc.purdue.edu/aquanic/ncrac/wpapers/sunfish32900.htm
http://msucares.com/pubs/pub1893.htm
they haven't been explored too much as far as aquaponics goes, but
some of us are trying to change that.
mark
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| Message 8
Subject: Re: GM tomato thrives on salt (fwd)
From: dreadlox
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 03:12:57 -0700
dyarrow wrote:
>
> in the 1950's, dr. maynard murray discovered that plants grown with "sea
> solids" are superior in every way to conventionally fertilized crops.
Hi David!
I had forgotten hearing about you and your work with trees. Tonight I
felt Deep gratitude and a sense of vindication reading your article. We
are growing monocultures here in Jamaica, and of course so does your
country.
Not only do we think fertilizers are our saviour, but we are now IMHO
doing another grave mistake. We are looking to GM as saviour for things
gone wrong, when Bioaugmentation might have been the way to go from the
beginning. Some of these crops are being grown here for export, peppers
to name one, and we have been hard hit by mosaic virus like diseases. I
have been speaking in the wind about using bioaugmentation to exclude
certain harmful bacteria, and I felt vindicated reading about Murrays
results against TMVirus
. seems like I have been spitting in the wind
with the wind blowing against me.
No wonder we end up doing these things OURSELVES and making
millions
.right guys?? NOONE listens these days
. :>
Lemme ask a lateral question here as it seems to me that 6000 years ago,
in an obscure ancient writing some advice was given about leaving land
fallow for a year, after 7 years, in which in my opinion is the same
thing as saying that you should give the natural soil bacteria a chance
to recoup and for natural decomposition and renewed bioaugmentation to
occur.
Question: IF we knew this all the way back then
. why have we drifted
from this line of reasoning??
BTW, how this ties into Aquaponics is that if you dont have a healthy
biofilter bacteria culture, shock (like someone turning on a chlorinated
water source in it) will kill it. Take samples from any bacterial "soup"
you can find from varying conditions to give your bacteria a wider
genetic base.
Just on another note. I have used self mixed bacterial soups to exclude
faecal coliform from a faecal coliform infected growbed. (IN a waste
water system.) Never underestimate the power of these little fellas to
put the BAD bacteria in the MINORITY!!
Excellent excellent excellent
Whoa the feeling of being vindicated is SWWWeeet
.lol.
><{{{*> Mike Barnett <*}}}><
JAMAICA, West Indies
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| Message 9
Subject: Re: [FUTURE-CITIES] Re: [isml] GM tomato thrives on salt (fwd)
From: "Attie Esterhuyse"
Date: 1 Aug 2001 09:50:52 +0200
>If a variety of GM ocean-water crops can be grown the implications are indeed
>staggering. The entire ocean surface could be used for land crops.
Very interesting. I do not like the GMO part of it. I have done a lot of searches to find a
plant or algae that can actually lower the NaCl concentration in water. If one can achieve
this, no one needs salt tolerant GMO vegetables. If such a plant can be incorporated in
an aquaponic system to keep the NaCl accumulation down, one can re-use the water forever, just
adding the amount that evaporates. I think aquaponics (integrated farming) is the answer to
future food security, or at least I hope it is.
> Over time, salts such as sodium, calcium, magnesium and chloride, build up
> to a point where they severely hinder the growth of crops.
I have located a plant that grows in a river mouth and which is sometimes covered by seawater
as the tide goes in and out. Just by breaking the fleshy leaf and tasting the sap, I could
determine that there is a lot of salt present. I must still do a test to see if it
really does lower the water’s NaCl content. If it does, the sky is the limit. The only problem
is that I do not think one can use it for any other purpose. Maybe one can add it to livestock
feed. I have also read about a fern species that accumulates arsenic in its
leaves. I think it was mentioned on this list.
The other option would be to incorporate a solar still in the system. If the system water
becomes too salty, it can be pumped to the solar still and the fresh water from the still can
be pumped back to the system. In the still water one can grow Spirulina, which can be
used as fish feed and will help to pay for the still. I am growing Spirulina at the moment, on
a very small scale. One should be careful not to heat the water to a temperature dangerous to
Spirulina.
> The GM tomato produced by US and Canadian scientists counteracts this by
> trapping salts in compartments within its leaf cells so the fruit doesn't
> taste salty.
I have read in some magazine that in Israel, Tomatoes grown with brackish water fetch a better
price on the market since it has a superior taste. From personal experience I know that
tomatoes irrigated with brackish water tastes absolutely great. The saltbush from
Australia excretes the salt on its leaves. If one tastes the outside of the leaf it actually
tastes salty. I think we must look closer to what was given to us by nature, before we try and
do nature's work for it. Look at
http://www.oceanarks.org/AboutOAI/FramerABOUTOAI.html
This is just a few of my thoughts and ideas. Give me your inputs.
Regards
Attie
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| Message 10
Subject: Re: GM tomato thrives on salt (fwd)
From: "Chris Jeppesen"
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 06:15:57 -0700
So Mike are you saying you add bacteria from any source to your system without concern?
Chris Jeppesen
>Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 03:12:57 -0700
> dreadlox aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com Re: GM tomato thrives on salt (fwd)Reply-To:
aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>
>Mike wrote:
>Just on another note. I have used self mixed bacterial soups to exclude
>faecal coliform from a faecal coliform infected growbed. (IN a waste
>water system.) Never underestimate the power of these little fellas to
>put the BAD bacteria in the MINORITY!!
> JAMAICA, West Indies
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| Message 11
Subject: Mike in JAMAICA - Re: GM tomato thrives on salt (fwd)
From: "bennett"
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 10:29:01 -0400
>Just on another note. I have used self mixed bacterial soups to exclude
>faecal coliform from a faecal coliform infected growbed. (IN a waste
>water system.) Never underestimate the power of these little fellas to
>put the BAD bacteria in the MINORITY!!
>
Would you mind sharing a recipe for your "self mixed bacterial soup to
excude feacal coliform from the faecal coliform infected growbed"?
D.
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| Message 12
Subject: Attie - Spirulina question
From: "bennett"
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 11:02:06 -0400
>The other option would be to incorporate a solar still in the system. If
the system water becomes too salty, it can be pumped to the solar still and
the fresh water from the still can be pumped back to the system. In the
still water one can grow Spirulina, which can be
>used as fish feed and will help to pay for the still. I am growing
Spirulina at the moment, on a very small scale. One should be careful not to
heat the water to a temperature dangerous to Spirulina.
>
What temperature is too hot for Spirulina?
This thread is getting REALLY interesting!
D.
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| Message 13
Subject: Re: SpaTreatment/AquaTrauma Center
From: (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 11:08:52 -0500 (CDT)
Mike my wife wants me to go on to the weakest link,Fear factor, and
Survivor shows but I don't know. If I watch the weakest link I get most
of the questions that are missed but I don't get many of the modern pop
culture ones so I have some big gaps in what I know.
The Fear factor is a no brainer unless it involves a big shark and
me not having a bang stick I cant loose while I respect things that can
hurt me, things that I have done alone are far worse and failing meant I
was A goner. Ala gnawed bleached bones found by a hiker at a cliff base.
And Survivor is childs play but really do you think that they would
let an old pro on there and then there is my wife she knows the effect
that I have on the gals and I don't think she could take having my
outrageous behaviour broadcast world wide the groupies would be endless.
Ya I could do it
Bruce
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| Message 14
Subject: RE: SpaTreatment/AquaTrauma Center
From: (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 11:15:50 -0500 (CDT)
Just to show you how knowledgable I am whats LOL mene
Bruce
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| Message 15
Subject: RE: SpaTreatment/AquaTrauma Center
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 11:22:39 -0500
laughing out loud
-
Just to show you how knowledgable I am whats LOL mene
Bruce
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| Message 16
Subject: Which way is the caddy shack?
From: kris book
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 11:51:03 -0600
Bruce,
LOL is what 450 members are doing after reading your weakest link post.
If I were you, I'd be careful laughing with your tongue so firmly planted
in your cheek. You are a trump card, if not a Joker. Hey, speaking of
Jokers, has anyone heard from Tedzo. I miss his knowledge and humor very
much.
On Wed, 1 Aug 2001 11:15:50 -0500 (CDT) (Bruce
Schreiber) writes:
> Just to show you how knowledgable I am whats LOL mene
>
> Bruce
>
>
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| Message 17
Subject: Re: GM tomato thrives on salt (fwd)
From: (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 13:17:21 -0500 (CDT)
Mike in answer your question.
Because its always open to interpretation.
One of my favorite subjects is the ancient world origins if you will
.The culture in question was a branch of the great Akkadion culture
first ruled by Sargon of Akkad ruler of the first Semitic empire.(He was
as a baby put in a reed boat and cast into the water as an offering to
the Crocodile God in an area invested with baby fed fattened crocodiles
.< Try putting a crying hungry baby in a reed boat and see how fast the
predators come to the sound of the crying its like a predator call and
is very effective >.as was the law with all first born children of the
overpopulating and unwanted Semites at that time and later Moses.This
was imposed on them by EnKi their Angel benefactor as a form of birth
control against his will to keep the other gods from doing the Noah
flood over again.Sin in that culture means And was a
good thing when the Angel/Gods did it Enki was Noah's Angel father by
an Adomic=(mixed one ) woman and went against his brothers to save Noah
and his seed the last time and was cast in prison for a time for it when
he was found out. ) then and was saved by a princes of Ur as was the
custom of the time with surviors of the water
crossing-infanticide-massacres and adopted and raised as a prince of Ur
a sister culture to Sumer its elder partner.
AKA. UR the birth place of AbRam a son of the ruling class he later
killed out the crocodiles by poisoning them with tar stuffed sheep skins
he also being a survivor or the crocodiles he than had to flee to stay
with Shem the son of Noah for protection until things cooled off a bit
this is Abraham of genesis
Bruce
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| Message 18
Subject: RE: Pacu vs Bluegill
From: (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 13:44:57 -0500 (CDT)
Cris if you or anyone else wants Pacu I think that we can get them drop
shipped Fed Exed, UPS, to your door let me find out. How many do you
want they are cheaper in lots of 100.
Buy the way you keep pacu in your system growing up to a older larger
size the older they get the faster they grow the bigger they get 2-5 lb.
fillets per fish is easy with this fish but not in the first year of
growth and if you have the system for it they will keep growing to their
adult size of about 30lb.plus
Bruce
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| Message 19
Subject: RE: GM tomato thrives on salt (fwd)
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 14:02:31 -0500
>i wrote an article about dr. murray's research, with excerpts from his
book:
>www.championtrees.org/topsoil/SeaEnergy.htm
----
Thanks for sharing that, David
.great reading.
A quick search for his name took me to another article from ACRES USA
about Seaponics
.very interesting stuff.
http://www.sonicbloom.com/Acres1985Sea.htm
----
>Lemme ask a lateral question here as it seems to me that 6000 years ago,
>in an obscure ancient writing some advice was given about leaving land
>fallow for a year, after 7 years, in which in my opinion is the same
>thing as saying that you should give the natural soil bacteria a chance
>to recoup and for natural decomposition and renewed bioaugmentation to
>occur.
---
There is a lot of practical advice and wisdom in those writings, Mike.
My grandfather used to talk about the soil being dead today
.bleached
and lifeless from things like too much anhydrous ammonia (I'd hate to be
a redworm getting hit with that stuff), too much tilling
.it's never
allowed to rest and rebuild. Rebuilding soils with vermiculture,
pastured livestock and rock powders is another interest of mine.
>Question: IF we knew this all the way back then
. why have we drifted
>from this line of reasoning??
Greed, ignorance and apathy
.bad combination.
>I think aquaponics (integrated farming) is the answer to future food
>security, or at least I hope it is.
Me too, Attie
.the science is here but there is a major lack of
understanding by consumers. I hope we can change that.
Mark
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| Message 20
Subject: Re: other types of fish
From: (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 14:02:24 -0500 (CDT)
John wright here on this list are some of the top growers in the World
so just keep asking questions and they we will answer them for you
.You should check out our archives to
Bruce
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| Message 21
Subject: RE: Pacu vs Bluegill
From: "Chris Jeppesen"
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 12:03:10 -0700
Bruce
If my cost is under $200 It's doable. I would have to harvest some at smaller sizer to avoid
over population in my system. I am really entriqued by these big boys.
My problem with blue gills is I have to drive 200 miles to a source approved by the state of
Utah. and they are just blue gills not a hybrids.
> (Bruce Schreiber)Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 13:44:57 -0500 (CDT)
> aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com RE: Pacu vs BluegillReply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>
>Cris if you or anyone else wants Pacu I think that we can get them drop
>shipped Fed Exed, UPS, to your door let me find out. How many do you
>want they are cheaper in lots of 100.
> Buy the way you keep pacu in your system growing up to a older larger
>size the older they get the faster they grow the bigger they get 2-5 lb.
>fillets per fish is easy with this fish but not in the first year of
>growth and if you have the system for it they will keep growing to their
>adult size of about 30lb.plus
> Bruce
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| Message 22
Subject: RE: Pacu vs Bluegill
From: (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:33:13 -0500 (CDT)
Chris at small sizes the bones become a problem but if grown out to
large sizes the bones are no swet and the meat is rich, sweat,and firm
about like Halibut
Bruce
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| Message 23
Subject: RE: Pacu vs Bluegill
From: "Chris Jeppesen"
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 16:29:42 -0700
Bruce
Yum I eat fish just for the HALIBUT! :)
> (Bruce Schreiber)Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:33:13 -0500 (CDT)
> aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com RE: Pacu vs BluegillReply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>
>Chris at small sizes the bones become a problem but if grown out to
>large sizes the bones are no swet and the meat is rich, sweat,and firm
>about like Halibut
> Bruce
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| Message 24
Subject: unsubscribe
From: HoneyAcres 'at' aol.com
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 21:25:27 EDT
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| Message 25
Subject: Reply to - Re: firewalls etc.
From: "David Atkinson"
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 20:38:01 -0400
Hi Guys,
I endorse Darren's recommendation. I also use Zone Alarm, they even sent
me an email and as a result I updated the original version that gives even
more protection.
Even when those messages were sent to me with attachments and asked for my
advise I did not open them as I did not the person sending them. I deleted
them instantly. ZoneAlarm did warn me though when someone I knew sent me a
message with an attachment that had a virus attached to it. It would not
allow me to open it.
If you do not have this program, go get it, its free on their website
http://www.zonealarm.com
David A
(from JAMAICA W.I.)
----- Original Message -----
From: Darren Pearce
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 10:01 PM
Subject: OT: firewalls etc.
> Everyone should run a firewall and a virus detection progran."ZoneAlarm"
is an
> excellant firewall , free for the download(search zone alarm) and I
wouldn't
> connect without
snip
snip .
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| Message 26
Subject: Re: Pacu vs Bluegill
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 23:21:05 -0500
Mark,
The "fish truck stops here" sounds very interesting to me. Indiana is a lot
closer than Georgia. Would you email me with your phone number so we could
chat. That way we wouldn't tie up the list's time. My email of course is:
Thanks looking forward to hearing from you.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 11:22 PM
Subject: RE: Pacu vs Bluegill
Steve,
Another thing I love about bluegill here in Indiana
and much of the country is the fish truck stops at a
farm and fleet store about a mile from here. When I get
my other aquarium set up, I am going to throw a couple
of grass carp in for the heck of it. I will agree that
under ideal conditions, tilapia are hard to beat
.but we
don't all have those conditions. For cooler water, price
and availability, hybrid bluegill are hard to beat here.
Mark
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| Message 27
Subject: Re: Itinerary for NC conference
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 23:26:18 -0500
Sounds great Bert,
But, if people are interested, instead of going through you and me, they can
go to the "horses mouth" 'at' cwjohnson 'at' graham.main.nc.us
Any parties interested, just email the above address and they will be elated
to send all of the information.
See ya'll in Nc
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From:
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:04 AM
Subject: Re: Itinerary for NC conference
Steve,
I Have the brochure w/interary, I don't have a scanner but will fax to
anyone
interested.
Bert
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| Message 28
Subject: virus from Dennis's email list
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 23:32:27 -0500
Hi Ya'll,
I'm still surviving. Been able to carry on my usual comraderie. So far, no
damage. But got to go now. Cleaning some tanks and they need my immediate
attention. So Fah
.So Good
.Fingers crossed. O.K. Dennis. You're forgiven.
Steve
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