Aquaponics Digest - Sun 08/05/01
Message 1: Re: Gone Fission or Uranium in My Granite Sand Makes My Grow Beds Glow!!
from "Barry Thomas"
Message 2: RE: Gone Fission or Uranium in My Granite Sand Makes My Grow Beds Glow!!
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 3: Re: Gone Fission or Uranium in My Granite Sand Makes My Grow Beds Glow!!
from "Barry Thomas"
Message 4: Re: Gone Fission or Uranium in My Granite Sand Makes My Grow Beds
Glow!!
from (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 5: RE: Gone Fission or Uranium in My Granite Sand Makes My Grow Beds Glow!!
from "gerry magnuson"
Message 6: Fish data needed
from "Arlos"
Message 7: OT? Was "
.gone fission
" now " What is green sand?"
from "Nick"
Message 8: RE: Gone Fission or Uranium in My Granite Sand Makes My Grow Beds Glow!!
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 9: Re: OT? Was "
.gone fission
" now " What is green sand?"
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 10: RE: Gone Fission or Uranium in My Granite Sand Makes My Grow Beds Glow!!
from "gerry magnuson"
Message 11: Re: OT? Was "
.gone fission
" now " What is green sand?"
from kris book
Message 12: We want Mark!
from kris book
Message 13: Re: OT? Was "
.gone fission
" Was " What is green sand?" Now
.My mystery
solved!
from "Nick"
Message 14: Re: OT? Was "
.gone fission
" now " What is green sand?"
from "Nick"
Message 15: Re: Gone Fission or Uranium in My Granite Sand Makes My Grow Beds Glow!!
from "Arlos"
Message 16: RE: We want Mark! (LOL>>>nah)
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 17: Re: Gone Fission or Uranium in My Granite Sand Makes My Grow Beds Glow!!
from "gerry magnuson"
Message 18: RE: We want Mark! (LOL>>>nah)
from "gerry magnuson"
Message 19: Re: Gone Fission or Uranium in My Granite Sand Makes My Grow Beds Glow!!
from "Arlos"
Message 20: Threat to farmer's market
from "Hiromi Iwashige"
Message 21: Re: Threat to farmer's market
from "Arlos"
Message 22: Re: OT? Was "
.gone fission
" now " What is green sand?"
from (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 23: Re: Threat to farmer's market
from "Arlos"
Message 24: Family farm definition
from "Hiromi Iwashige"
Message 25: Re: Threat to farmer's market
from (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 26: Re: Gone Fission or Uranium in My Granite Sand Makes My Grow Beds
Glow!!
from (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 27: Re: Gone Fission or Uranium in My Granite Sand Makes My Grow Beds Glow!!
from "gerry magnuson"
Message 28: Re: Threat to farmer's market
from "gerry magnuson"
. .
| Message 1
Subject: Re: Gone Fission or Uranium in My Granite Sand Makes My Grow Beds Glow!!
From: "Barry Thomas"
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 06:10:53 +0100
>
> Hope that was a long winded enough story for y'all and that now you are
nice
> and sleepy.
>
Yes, thanks Ted. Glad to hear this is all just more fiction - for a moment I
thought you might actually be cheerleading the plan to build all those extra
reactors across the US.
One of the reasons I find this idea so scary is that I suspect that those
making these decisions have a similar philosophy to that mentioned recently
by Adriana: Any fool can build and operate a nuclear power plant - it's the
marketing that's important.
Interestingly, some of the issues _not_ often raised by these people are
those involving the fate of spent fuel and the eventual cost of
decomissioning.
Big failures like Three Mile Island, Chernobyl and hundreds of smaller
events make me nervous too but maybe that's just because I don't have that
Pioneer spirit.
Barry
(less than an hours drive from grazing land still unusable due to
contamination from Chernobyl)
. .
| Message 2
Subject: RE: Gone Fission or Uranium in My Granite Sand Makes My Grow Beds Glow!!
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 00:42:51 -0500
>Yes, thanks Ted. Glad to hear this is all just more fiction - for a moment
I
>thought you might actually be cheerleading the plan to build all those
extra
>reactors across the US.
>One of the reasons I find this idea so scary is that I suspect that those
>making these decisions have a similar philosophy to that mentioned recently
>by Adriana: Any fool can build and operate a nuclear power plant - it's the
>marketing that's important.
LOL
.I agree Barry
since Ted started this, this is letter that a post
of Ted's prompted me to write my local paper
.they are going to print it.
Thanks Ted.
Rep. J.C. Watts of Oklahoma and three other Congressmen recently introduced
HR 2322, the "Home and Farm Wind Systems Act of 2001". HR 2322 would
provide a 30% federal tax credit for homeowners, farmers and businesses when
they install small wind energy systems up to 75KW. The tax credit would be
available over the next ten years.
A few states offer incentives, but the federal government has not offered
tax credits for small wind systems since 1985. However, they do offer
production tax credits for very large wind turbines built by power
companies.
One such wind farm is being built by American Electric Power in Trent,
Texas. AEP will own, operate and maintain the 130-megawatt system. Why
shouldn't Texas farmers, businesses and homeowners be given some help and
incentives also?
Wind energy has a lot of potential to help this country establish a safe,
stable, clean and renewable energy infrastructure. As the technology
advances, the cost per watt is coming down. The same holds true for solar
energy.
Many have said renewable energy is not cost effective. That is rapidly
changing. Last winter, many farmers in the midwest replaced propane with
corn and saved thousands of dollars in heating bills.
There are many hidden costs associated with our current energy systems.
Things like subsidies to big energy providers, environmental impact and
exploration are all written off while the renewable energy movement gets
little or no help.
Some think we should take a second look at nuclear energy, sighting the
seemingly successful examples in places like France. I have a few questions
for the nuclear energy advocates. Can you guarantee with 100% certainty
that our containment systems for the radioactive waste will last forever and
never leak, or fall victim to manmade or natural disaster? Do we have the
means to deal with such a disaster if it occurred? In this unstable world
that we live in, where over 20 nations have nuclear weapons capability and
terrorism is commonplace, can you guarantee that our energy infrastructure
would never be a target of war? Do we really want to pass this inherent
danger on to our kids and grandkids?
The Internet was originally developed as a joint effort between the
military and our universities to insure that our communications
infrastructure would remain functional in the event of war or disaster.
They realized that a vast network of smaller, interconnected systems would
be safer and more stable than a small network of several large systems.
We should want our energy infrastructure to operate under the same
principle. It won't happen without our help.
A recent USA Today/CNN/Gallup poll showed that 91% of the public favors
incentives for wind, solar and hydrogen fuel cells. Yet, there is currently
no federal program for small systems. They are more interested in
protecting the status quo and drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife
Refuge.
There is no energy crisis. Energy is everywhere and the technology is here
to produce it from many sources. The only crisis is one of politics, greed
and an apathetic consumer culture with a huge appetite for energy. It's
time to wake up. There is a lot of work to do.
Energy is far too important to the welfare of our nation to be left
strictly up to big businesses and big governments that are profit motivated
and often out of touch with the people. Log on to congress.org and let your
voice be heard. Please support HR 2322.
Mark Allen Wells
. .
| Message 3
Subject: Re: Gone Fission or Uranium in My Granite Sand Makes My Grow Beds Glow!!
From: "Barry Thomas"
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 08:27:16 +0100
I wrote:
> (less than an hours drive from grazing land still unusable due to
> contamination from Chernobyl)
Slight exageration with the "unusable", sorry. Should be "affected by" or
similar as I believe animals can graze the land. Still, they do so only
under restrictions and radiation remains higher than before the accident.
Hardly confidence-inspiring considering the time and distance involved. The
Ukraine and surroundings had/have rather more serious problems of course.
Barry
. .
| Message 4
Subject: Re: Gone Fission or Uranium in My Granite Sand Makes My Grow Beds
Glow!!
From: (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 06:36:34 -0500 (CDT)
Barry where do you live?
Bruce
. .
| Message 5
Subject: RE: Gone Fission or Uranium in My Granite Sand Makes My Grow Beds Glow!!
From: "gerry magnuson"
Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 02:30:04 -1000
mark, I see the typical hippie bs syndrome being given about energy, belongs
to the 'people', etc
.being from hawaii, wind at south point onn the big
island is constand, they have wind generators there that do not produce,
mostly broken down, for whatever the reasons, ye the wind is still there,
geothermal is abundant there, but the weirdo-hippy types protest about the
noise and smell, and 'madam pele' will object
.japan is full of nuclear
reactors, in earthquake zones to the max, they have no choice
.and all
socialists relie on the 'government' to solve their ills
.I am proudly an
independent farmer, you should give a definition of a farmer, you would be
amazed the many hats one wears, farming is a chosen way of life, a working
religion
.I do not need tax breaks nor the government to assist in my
generating energy for my farm use
.we are all well-intentioned people,
always think about the glass of water, half-full, or half empty
.to
continue that
.a practical person is wondering who is going to wash the
glass, an observing engineer is considering that the glass is too large for
the experiment (guess which 1 I R?)
.coffeecowboy
>From: "Mark Allen Wells"
>Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>
>Subject: RE: Gone Fission or Uranium in My Granite Sand Makes My Grow Beds
>Glow!!
>Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 00:42:51 -0500
>
> >Yes, thanks Ted. Glad to hear this is all just more fiction - for a
>moment
>I
> >thought you might actually be cheerleading the plan to build all those
>extra
> >reactors across the US.
>
> >One of the reasons I find this idea so scary is that I suspect that those
> >making these decisions have a similar philosophy to that mentioned
>recently
> >by Adriana: Any fool can build and operate a nuclear power plant - it's
>the
> >marketing that's important.>
>
>LOL
.I agree Barry
since Ted started this, this is letter that a post
>of Ted's prompted me to write my local paper
.they are going to print it.
>Thanks Ted.
>
>
>
>
> Rep. J.C. Watts of Oklahoma and three other Congressmen recently
>introduced
>HR 2322, the "Home and Farm Wind Systems Act of 2001". HR 2322 would
>provide a 30% federal tax credit for homeowners, farmers and businesses
>when
>they install small wind energy systems up to 75KW. The tax credit would be
>available over the next ten years.
> A few states offer incentives, but the federal government has not offered
>tax credits for small wind systems since 1985. However, they do offer
>production tax credits for very large wind turbines built by power
>companies.
> One such wind farm is being built by American Electric Power in Trent,
>Texas. AEP will own, operate and maintain the 130-megawatt system. Why
>shouldn't Texas farmers, businesses and homeowners be given some help and
>incentives also?
> Wind energy has a lot of potential to help this country establish a safe,
>stable, clean and renewable energy infrastructure. As the technology
>advances, the cost per watt is coming down. The same holds true for solar
>energy.
> Many have said renewable energy is not cost effective. That is rapidly
>changing. Last winter, many farmers in the midwest replaced propane with
>corn and saved thousands of dollars in heating bills.
> There are many hidden costs associated with our current energy systems.
>Things like subsidies to big energy providers, environmental impact and
>exploration are all written off while the renewable energy movement gets
>little or no help.
> Some think we should take a second look at nuclear energy, sighting the
>seemingly successful examples in places like France. I have a few
>questions
>for the nuclear energy advocates. Can you guarantee with 100% certainty
>that our containment systems for the radioactive waste will last forever
>and
>never leak, or fall victim to manmade or natural disaster? Do we have the
>means to deal with such a disaster if it occurred? In this unstable world
>that we live in, where over 20 nations have nuclear weapons capability and
>terrorism is commonplace, can you guarantee that our energy infrastructure
>would never be a target of war? Do we really want to pass this inherent
>danger on to our kids and grandkids?
> The Internet was originally developed as a joint effort between the
>military and our universities to insure that our communications
>infrastructure would remain functional in the event of war or disaster.
>They realized that a vast network of smaller, interconnected systems would
>be safer and more stable than a small network of several large systems.
> We should want our energy infrastructure to operate under the same
>principle. It won't happen without our help.
> A recent USA Today/CNN/Gallup poll showed that 91% of the public favors
>incentives for wind, solar and hydrogen fuel cells. Yet, there is
>currently
>no federal program for small systems. They are more interested in
>protecting the status quo and drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife
>Refuge.
> There is no energy crisis. Energy is everywhere and the technology is
>here
>to produce it from many sources. The only crisis is one of politics, greed
>and an apathetic consumer culture with a huge appetite for energy. It's
>time to wake up. There is a lot of work to do.
> Energy is far too important to the welfare of our nation to be left
>strictly up to big businesses and big governments that are profit motivated
>and often out of touch with the people. Log on to congress.org and let
>your
>voice be heard. Please support HR 2322.
>
>Mark Allen Wells
>
. .
| Message 6
Subject: Fish data needed
From: "Arlos"
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 10:13:46 -0700
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Ok kids,
I'm trying to present a paper on current production of farmed fish =
using both marine and fresh water species in the US based on region. If =
any of you could share your production rates, prior, current and =
projected. Include species including exotics (eel, mussel, fresh water =
shrimp,etc
.), water quality controls and waste stream management, =
size of operation and location and markets. Farmed, caged and ranched =
numbers also needed. Yes I could get numbers from Sea Grant and =
University studies but I'm trying to get numbers directly from producers =
which vary from the above studies. The study is based on reports of the =
depleted/ diminished stock of ocean species and creation of new markets =
based on public awareness in market choice of wild caught verses farmed. =
Studies through the Monterey Bay Aquarium showed that within 20 years, =
80% of all seafood (marine and fresh water sources) would come from =
farming. I'm looking at data to support this. Your help would be greatly =
appreciated
Arlos
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. .
| Message 7
Subject: OT? Was "
.gone fission
" now " What is green sand?"
From: "Nick"
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 10:33:02 -0700
From: "kris book"
Cc:
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: Gone Fission or Uranium in My Granite Sand Makes My Grow Beds
Glow!!
> It's decomposed dinosaurs, not decomposed granite
>
>
> snip>>>
> >
> > What is "green sand"?
> >
> > Thank you
.nick
> >
> >
>
Hi Kris,
Thank you for the response. But, that doesn't help me much. Not really your
problem, I just don't understand.
So, if I go down to our nursery/garden supply business and ask for
"decomposed dinosaurs" they will know what I am looking for? (they do not
know what green sand is either) I have never heard of anything by that name
or containing that ingredient.
I have read the term "green sand" bantered around over the last 20 years or
so in various gardening/small farm articles. No one in this area (Pacific
Northwest, USA), that I have asked, has known what green sand is.
I was raised in Oklahoma from 6 to 18 years of age and in a farming
community. My dad and grandfather worked with the farmers. I was on a crew
that harvested wheat from Texas to Montana so we were involved with farmers
through the midwest. I have never seen anything that was called green sand,
or decomposed dinosaurs nor heard any mention of it.
Is this something that a lot of writers have included in their articles for
soil building and not known what the heck it is/was?
nick
. .
| Message 8
Subject: RE: Gone Fission or Uranium in My Granite Sand Makes My Grow Beds Glow!!
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 12:42:11 -0500
I am proudly an independent farmer, you should give a definition of a
farmer, you would be amazed the many hats one wears, farming is a chosen
way of life, a working religion
.I do not need tax breaks nor the
government to assist in my generating energy for my farm use.-
Gerry,
I agree with what you say to a degree. Farming is my heritage.
I am very independent also and I work hard towards creating
my dream. My work would go much farther if our government wasn't
taking nearly 1/3 of what I make every year! That tax break is the
people's money
.how can giving me my own money back be considered
socialist? I am much better steward of my money and land than the
government is. I have watched many many family farms sold off here
in Indiana and elsewhere because of the enormous debt and low profit
system we have created. Energy costs are one the largest drains on
farmers. If I had a farm on a windy hill and wanted to erect a 20KW
wind system here in Indiana (with my own money), any surplus I generate
is DONATED back to the utility which they sell at a huge profit
it cost them nothing
that my friend is B---S---. If the net metering
laws were changed, the system would pay for itself by selling the surplus.
Is there any wonder there is no incentive to do it?
While you may not need help, there are many who do. I would rather
give my tax dollars to a struggling farmer than power companies and Uncle
Sam
(he isn't very good at spending it). Our current system is badly broken.
If farmers were growing the fuel for our cars (which they want to do and
are in Brazil) oil would no longer be used to manipulate and draw us into
wars. If farmers could grow industrial hemp again (as they are in Canada,
Australia, Germany etc) they would have another VERY valuable crop. If
these things could happen, there would be no need for subsidizing farms.they could stand on their own much easier. These things are NOT happening
because of our government. George Washington Carver developed 100's of
industrial uses for the peanut alone. Hemp is the most versatile plant on
the planet and played a huge role in the farms and industries of yesterday
but you are an outlaw if you grow it in the U S of A. Take a look at
what happened to the Oglala Sioux when they tried to grow hemp on
their reservation as part of sustainable housing program
They didn't
just seize the plants, they swarmed on the place in riot gear with M-16's
in the usual strong arm fashion.
http://www.grassrootsnaturalgoods.com/hemp_news/
We chose a petrol-chemical path and set up a system to protect it. I don't
expect the fed to fix everything or want them too
.but I do want them off
my back and expect them to use MY money for good.
time to feed my fish.Mark
. .
| Message 9
Subject: Re: OT? Was "
.gone fission
" now " What is green sand?"
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 13:04:58 -0500
Nick,
If you ask for "Jersey Greensand", a good garden center (not one of
the "big box stores") should know what you're talking about. I
believe Fertrell is one supplier.
Here is a description from a post in Gardenweb:
" Greensand is, by definition, any detrital material (sand, silt, or
shale) containing significant amounts of the mineral glauconite, which
is a hydrous potassium iron silicate and is kin to the micas. For
years, greensand mined in New Jersey has been used by farmers as a
very slow-acting source of potassium. In recent years, Texas
greensand, a much inferior product, has come on the market and is used
mostly by gullible gardeners in the southwest. In both products, the
iron is mostly in the ferric state and, therefore, insoluble and
unavailable for plants."
For more information do a seach on www.gardenweb.com for "greensand".
There is a whole thread on the subject.
> So, if I go down to our nursery/garden supply business and ask for
> "decomposed dinosaurs" they will know what I am looking for? (they
do not
> know what green sand is either) I have never heard of anything by
that name
> or containing that ingredient.
Adriana
. .
| Message 10
Subject: RE: Gone Fission or Uranium in My Granite Sand Makes My Grow Beds Glow!!
From: "gerry magnuson"
Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 08:20:37 -1000
tobacco.injun product, as is popcorn
.the government is promoting the
'subsidized product
.the biggest lie in the world
this is totally a
revenue tax on poor people, rich folk could care less
.the farmer gets paid
6 cents per pack, the government is generous and matches that 6 cents to the
farmer/grower
.but the government doesn't tell the truth, they receive 65
cents per pack, so who is doing what to whom? as I just moved into tobacco
country, the tobacco is alloted to each grower, plots, not fields
.the big
'tobacco' companies do not own the farms, but buy from each farmer
.the
mess is on and on
.the government uses wheat and corn and other goods as a
political tool, no farmer can sell to other countries directly
if the fed
covernment would stick to the Constitution of the USA only, txes would be
lower, and the system would work, each state/country should regulate its own
people and needs
gotta go mow
later
>From: "Mark Allen Wells"
>Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>
>Subject: RE: Gone Fission or Uranium in My Granite Sand Makes My Grow Beds
>Glow!!
>Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 12:42:11 -0500
>
>I am proudly an independent farmer, you should give a definition of a
>farmer, you would be amazed the many hats one wears, farming is a chosen
>way of life, a working religion
.I do not need tax breaks nor the
>government to assist in my generating energy for my farm use.>-
>
>Gerry,
>
>I agree with what you say to a degree. Farming is my heritage.
>I am very independent also and I work hard towards creating
>my dream. My work would go much farther if our government wasn't
>taking nearly 1/3 of what I make every year! That tax break is the
>people's money
.how can giving me my own money back be considered
>socialist? I am much better steward of my money and land than the
>government is. I have watched many many family farms sold off here
>in Indiana and elsewhere because of the enormous debt and low profit
>system we have created. Energy costs are one the largest drains on
>farmers. If I had a farm on a windy hill and wanted to erect a 20KW
>wind system here in Indiana (with my own money), any surplus I generate
>is DONATED back to the utility which they sell at a huge profit
>it cost them nothing
that my friend is B---S---. If the net metering
>laws were changed, the system would pay for itself by selling the surplus.
>Is there any wonder there is no incentive to do it?
>
>While you may not need help, there are many who do. I would rather
>give my tax dollars to a struggling farmer than power companies and Uncle
>Sam
>(he isn't very good at spending it). Our current system is badly broken.
>If farmers were growing the fuel for our cars (which they want to do and
>are in Brazil) oil would no longer be used to manipulate and draw us into
>wars. If farmers could grow industrial hemp again (as they are in Canada,
>Australia, Germany etc) they would have another VERY valuable crop. If
>these things could happen, there would be no need for subsidizing farms.>they could stand on their own much easier. These things are NOT happening
>because of our government. George Washington Carver developed 100's of
>industrial uses for the peanut alone. Hemp is the most versatile plant on
>the planet and played a huge role in the farms and industries of yesterday
>
but you are an outlaw if you grow it in the U S of A. Take a look at
>what happened to the Oglala Sioux when they tried to grow hemp on
>their reservation as part of sustainable housing program
They didn't
>just seize the plants, they swarmed on the place in riot gear with M-16's
>in the usual strong arm fashion.
> http://www.grassrootsnaturalgoods.com/hemp_news/
>
>We chose a petrol-chemical path and set up a system to protect it. I don't
>expect the fed to fix everything or want them too
.but I do want them off
>my back and expect them to use MY money for good.
>
>time to feed my fish.>Mark
>
. .
| Message 11
Subject: Re: OT? Was "
.gone fission
" now " What is green sand?"
From: kris book
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 12:34:19 -0600
Nick,
I apologize for the curt response. I wasn't trying to pull your leg,
that's Ted's deal. Greensand is essentially decomposed dinosaurs. Like
Ted said, it is a great source of potassium, that usually won't burn
plants or lock up the other nutrients in the soil if you use too much,
like wood ashes will. I was told that on the coast of New Jersey there
are huge deposits of greensand. They just scoop it up, screen it, and bag
it. I have never found it to be hard to find, in any good organic
amendment supply store or nursery. In the northwest you might want to
check out those indoor growers' supply stores that the marijuana growers
buy their supplies at. I just typed the word greensand into the Google
search engine and I got more than 1,000 links on the subject. Just click
on the link below and you'll find out more than you really want to know
about it. It really does make better compost than wood ashes.
kris
http://www.google.com/search?q=greensand&btnG=Google+Search
. .
| Message 12
Subject: We want Mark!
From: kris book
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 12:47:54 -0600
I want to nominate Mark for president and a couple of other government
jobs too!
. .
| Message 13
Subject: Re: OT? Was "
.gone fission
" Was " What is green sand?" Now
.My mystery solved!
From: "Nick"
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 11:49:00 -0700
----- Original Message -----
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: OT? Was "
.gone fission
" now " What is green sand?"
> Nick,
> If you ask for "Jersey Greensand", a good garden center (not one of
> the "big box stores") should know what you're talking about. I
> believe Fertrell is one supplier.
>
> Here is a description from a post in Gardenweb:
> " Greensand is, by definition, any detrital material (sand, silt, or
> shale) containing significant amounts of the mineral glauconite, which
> is a hydrous potassium iron silicate and is kin to the micas. For
> years, greensand mined in New Jersey has been used by farmers as a
> very slow-acting source of potassium. In recent years, Texas
> greensand, a much inferior product, has come on the market and is used
> mostly by gullible gardeners in the southwest. In both products, the
> iron is mostly in the ferric state and, therefore, insoluble and
> unavailable for plants."
>
> For more information do a seach on www.gardenweb.com for "greensand".
> There is a whole thread on the subject.
>
> > So, if I go down to our nursery/garden supply business and ask for
> > "decomposed dinosaurs" they will know what I am looking for? (they
> do not
> > know what green sand is either) I have never heard of anything by
> that name
> > or containing that ingredient.
>
> Adriana
>
Thank you very much Adriana. I can work with that.
There were probably a lot of Southwesterners who didn't know what it was
either and were taken in by the Texas faux/inferior green sand scam. Let's
see, there were some Texas brothers who tried to corner the silver market, a
Texas family who would corner the oil market, and now I find out some
Texan's are pawning off bad green sand! Darn, where will it stop! (meant in
jest
.I was born in Texas and love the Lone Star State)
At last
And one more bubble of ignorance popped! (please don't ask
about much suds/bubbles I have left)
Thanks Again
nick
. .
| Message 14
Subject: Re: OT? Was "
.gone fission
" now " What is green sand?"
From: "Nick"
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 11:51:30 -0700
> I apologize for the curt response. I wasn't trying to pull your leg,
> that's Ted's deal. Greensand is essentially decomposed dinosaurs. Like
> Ted said, it is a great source of potassium, that usually won't burn
> plants or lock up the other nutrients in the soil if you use too much,
> like wood ashes will. I was told that on the coast of New Jersey there
> are huge deposits of greensand. They just scoop it up, screen it, and bag
> it. I have never found it to be hard to find, in any good organic
> amendment supply store or nursery. In the northwest you might want to
> check out those indoor growers' supply stores that the marijuana growers
> buy their supplies at. I just typed the word greensand into the Google
> search engine and I got more than 1,000 links on the subject. Just click
> on the link below and you'll find out more than you really want to know
> about it. It really does make better compost than wood ashes.
>
> kris
Thanks Kris,
I had done searches and lots of hits, but they were Green Sand Beach over in
Hawaii, and using green sand for foundry work.
On track now thanks to Adriana and you
. .
| Message 15
Subject: Re: Gone Fission or Uranium in My Granite Sand Makes My Grow Beds Glow!!
From: "Arlos"
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 12:49:09 -0700
Mark,
This energy farce in California has unleashed a huge backlash. Alternatives
are going up (PV at this point) faster than you can raise a middle finger
salute to Washington. The current administration showed their colors to
California for months and the tide is beginning to turn?
By the way, what's a family farm???
Interesting note, the largest change in career (over 50 group) in the US
is towards horticulture (that would include this group)
I'll finally show my political colors here
. the prez recently while in
Germany just forgave (Germany) for Pearl Harbor. I'd like to pull the covers
over my head for the next three and a half and hope Florida learns to use a
ballot. Washington heeds to remember that it was farmers that created this
nation.
Just observations here on the road.
Arlos
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Allen Wells
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Sunday, August 05, 2001 10:43 AM
Subject: RE: Gone Fission or Uranium in My Granite Sand Makes My Grow Beds
Glow!!
>I am proudly an independent farmer, you should give a definition of a
>farmer, you would be amazed the many hats one wears, farming is a chosen
>way of life, a working religion
.I do not need tax breaks nor the
>government to assist in my generating energy for my farm use.>-
>
>Gerry,
>
>I agree with what you say to a degree. Farming is my heritage.
>I am very independent also and I work hard towards creating
>my dream. My work would go much farther if our government wasn't
>taking nearly 1/3 of what I make every year! That tax break is the
>people's money
.how can giving me my own money back be considered
>socialist? I am much better steward of my money and land than the
>government is. I have watched many many family farms sold off here
>in Indiana and elsewhere because of the enormous debt and low profit
>system we have created. Energy costs are one the largest drains on
>farmers. If I had a farm on a windy hill and wanted to erect a 20KW
>wind system here in Indiana (with my own money), any surplus I generate
>is DONATED back to the utility which they sell at a huge profit
>it cost them nothing
that my friend is B---S---. If the net metering
>laws were changed, the system would pay for itself by selling the surplus.
>Is there any wonder there is no incentive to do it?
>
>While you may not need help, there are many who do. I would rather
>give my tax dollars to a struggling farmer than power companies and Uncle
>Sam
>(he isn't very good at spending it). Our current system is badly broken.
>If farmers were growing the fuel for our cars (which they want to do and
>are in Brazil) oil would no longer be used to manipulate and draw us into
>wars. If farmers could grow industrial hemp again (as they are in Canada,
>Australia, Germany etc) they would have another VERY valuable crop. If
>these things could happen, there would be no need for subsidizing farms.>they could stand on their own much easier. These things are NOT happening
>because of our government. George Washington Carver developed 100's of
>industrial uses for the peanut alone. Hemp is the most versatile plant on
>the planet and played a huge role in the farms and industries of yesterday
>
but you are an outlaw if you grow it in the U S of A. Take a look at
>what happened to the Oglala Sioux when they tried to grow hemp on
>their reservation as part of sustainable housing program
They didn't
>just seize the plants, they swarmed on the place in riot gear with M-16's
>in the usual strong arm fashion.
> http://www.grassrootsnaturalgoods.com/hemp_news/
>
>We chose a petrol-chemical path and set up a system to protect it. I don't
>expect the fed to fix everything or want them too
.but I do want them off
>my back and expect them to use MY money for good.
>
>time to feed my fish.>Mark
>
>
. .
| Message 16
Subject: RE: We want Mark! (LOL>>>nah)
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 17:10:35 -0500
I want to nominate Mark for president and a couple of other government
jobs too
--
thanks but no thanks
I hate suits
.I hate BS
I just want them
to leave us alone and let us grow! Can you imagine how radical
agrarians like Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine and others would appear
today? But they were right! Our prosperity came from the land and
spawned local industries everywhere. Strong farms and strong cities
go hand in hand. Consumer dollars stay close to home. Now everything
is large, centralized, industrialized, etc. We are losing manufacturing
jobs to cheap foreign labor. Our food comes from hundreds if not
thousands of miles away. Everything is unstable. It will take lots
of time and effort but the return of the small farm is vitally important
to healing our nation and creating a truly sustainable culture.
Some are starting to wake up
some could care less
but this group
is a part of that much needed change I spoke of a while back. I think
my grandfather is smiling. I have a pic of him as a young man
with his draft horses (taken about 1940) next to my monitor
.it keeps
me going.
"We do not inherit the land. We borrow it from our children."
native american proverb
peace
mark
. .
| Message 17
Subject: Re: Gone Fission or Uranium in My Granite Sand Makes My Grow Beds Glow!!
From: "gerry magnuson"
Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 12:19:53 -1000
arlos, the first 'black' prez wuld be shot on sight in this tobacco country,
farmers know scum when they see it, as for the tobacco farmer gore,
polluting the river with his zinc farm
.ask him where his 10,000 chickens
are that he raises
.bush is hands down better than the previous 8
years
.and I don't even read about bush
.energy, try richardson
.get 100
farmers together on any issue and there will be 101 valid
opinions
.politicians like that
>From: "Arlos"
>Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>
>Subject: Re: Gone Fission or Uranium in My Granite Sand Makes My Grow Beds
>Glow!!
>Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 12:49:09 -0700
>
>Mark,
>
>
>This energy farce in California has unleashed a huge backlash. Alternatives
>are going up (PV at this point) faster than you can raise a middle finger
>salute to Washington. The current administration showed their colors to
>California for months and the tide is beginning to turn?
> By the way, what's a family farm???
> Interesting note, the largest change in career (over 50 group) in the US
>is towards horticulture (that would include this group)
> I'll finally show my political colors here
. the prez recently while in
>Germany just forgave (Germany) for Pearl Harbor. I'd like to pull the
>covers
>over my head for the next three and a half and hope Florida learns to use a
>ballot. Washington heeds to remember that it was farmers that created this
>nation.
> Just observations here on the road.>
>Arlos
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mark Allen Wells
>To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>Date: Sunday, August 05, 2001 10:43 AM
>Subject: RE: Gone Fission or Uranium in My Granite Sand Makes My Grow Beds
>Glow!!
>
>
> >I am proudly an independent farmer, you should give a definition of a
> >farmer, you would be amazed the many hats one wears, farming is a chosen
> >way of life, a working religion
.I do not need tax breaks nor the
> >government to assist in my generating energy for my farm use.> >-
> >
> >Gerry,
> >
> >I agree with what you say to a degree. Farming is my heritage.
> >I am very independent also and I work hard towards creating
> >my dream. My work would go much farther if our government wasn't
> >taking nearly 1/3 of what I make every year! That tax break is the
> >people's money
.how can giving me my own money back be considered
> >socialist? I am much better steward of my money and land than the
> >government is. I have watched many many family farms sold off here
> >in Indiana and elsewhere because of the enormous debt and low profit
> >system we have created. Energy costs are one the largest drains on
> >farmers. If I had a farm on a windy hill and wanted to erect a 20KW
> >wind system here in Indiana (with my own money), any surplus I generate
> >is DONATED back to the utility which they sell at a huge profit
> >it cost them nothing
that my friend is B---S---. If the net metering
> >laws were changed, the system would pay for itself by selling the
>surplus.
> >Is there any wonder there is no incentive to do it?
> >
> >While you may not need help, there are many who do. I would rather
> >give my tax dollars to a struggling farmer than power companies and Uncle
> >Sam
> >(he isn't very good at spending it). Our current system is badly broken.
> >If farmers were growing the fuel for our cars (which they want to do and
> >are in Brazil) oil would no longer be used to manipulate and draw us into
> >wars. If farmers could grow industrial hemp again (as they are in
>Canada,
> >Australia, Germany etc) they would have another VERY valuable crop. If
> >these things could happen, there would be no need for subsidizing
>farms.> >they could stand on their own much easier. These things are NOT
>happening
> >because of our government. George Washington Carver developed 100's of
> >industrial uses for the peanut alone. Hemp is the most versatile plant
>on
> >the planet and played a huge role in the farms and industries of
>yesterday
> >
but you are an outlaw if you grow it in the U S of A. Take a look at
> >what happened to the Oglala Sioux when they tried to grow hemp on
> >their reservation as part of sustainable housing program
They didn't
> >just seize the plants, they swarmed on the place in riot gear with M-16's
> >in the usual strong arm fashion.
> > http://www.grassrootsnaturalgoods.com/hemp_news/
> >
> >We chose a petrol-chemical path and set up a system to protect it. I
>don't
> >expect the fed to fix everything or want them too
.but I do want them
>off
> >my back and expect them to use MY money for good.
> >
> >time to feed my fish.> >Mark
> >
> >
>
. .
| Message 18
Subject: RE: We want Mark! (LOL>>>nah)
From: "gerry magnuson"
Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 12:39:17 -1000
people that don't farm want us to go back to the 17th century, should really
read how bad it was, even in the 40s
americna consumers demand and expect
more
never saw any writings by injuns, nor any care of the environment as
people want to believe, but it makes good copy
.I would vote for
you
.until I see your draft horses running in the derby.
>From: "Mark Allen Wells"
>Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>
>Subject: RE: We want Mark! (LOL>>>nah)
>Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 17:10:35 -0500
>
>I want to nominate Mark for president and a couple of other government
>jobs too
>--
>
>thanks but no thanks
I hate suits
.I hate BS
I just want them
>to leave us alone and let us grow! Can you imagine how radical
>agrarians like Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine and others would appear
>today? But they were right! Our prosperity came from the land and
>spawned local industries everywhere. Strong farms and strong cities
>go hand in hand. Consumer dollars stay close to home. Now everything
>is large, centralized, industrialized, etc. We are losing manufacturing
>jobs to cheap foreign labor. Our food comes from hundreds if not
>thousands of miles away. Everything is unstable. It will take lots
>of time and effort but the return of the small farm is vitally important
>to healing our nation and creating a truly sustainable culture.
>Some are starting to wake up
some could care less
but this group
>is a part of that much needed change I spoke of a while back. I think
>my grandfather is smiling. I have a pic of him as a young man
>with his draft horses (taken about 1940) next to my monitor
.it keeps
>me going.
>
>"We do not inherit the land. We borrow it from our children."
>native american proverb
>
>peace
>mark
>
. .
| Message 19
Subject: Re: Gone Fission or Uranium in My Granite Sand Makes My Grow Beds Glow!!
From: "Arlos"
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 16:39:33 -0700
Gerry,
Gore, Campbells, GE & JR Simplot are not my idea of farmers.
Arlos
-----Original Message-----
From: gerry magnuson
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Sunday, August 05, 2001 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: Gone Fission or Uranium in My Granite Sand Makes My Grow Beds
Glow!!
>arlos, the first 'black' prez wuld be shot on sight in this tobacco
country,
>farmers know scum when they see it, as for the tobacco farmer gore,
>polluting the river with his zinc farm
.ask him where his 10,000 chickens
>are that he raises
.bush is hands down better than the previous 8
>years
.and I don't even read about bush
.energy, try richardson
.get 100
>farmers together on any issue and there will be 101 valid
>opinions
.politicians like that
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>From: "Arlos"
>>Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>>
>>Subject: Re: Gone Fission or Uranium in My Granite Sand Makes My Grow Beds
>>Glow!!
>>Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 12:49:09 -0700
>>
>>Mark,
>>
>>
>>This energy farce in California has unleashed a huge backlash.
Alternatives
>>are going up (PV at this point) faster than you can raise a middle finger
>>salute to Washington. The current administration showed their colors to
>>California for months and the tide is beginning to turn?
>> By the way, what's a family farm???
>> Interesting note, the largest change in career (over 50 group) in the
US
>>is towards horticulture (that would include this group)
>> I'll finally show my political colors here
. the prez recently while
in
>>Germany just forgave (Germany) for Pearl Harbor. I'd like to pull the
>>covers
>>over my head for the next three and a half and hope Florida learns to use
a
>>ballot. Washington heeds to remember that it was farmers that created this
>>nation.
>> Just observations here on the road.>>
>>Arlos
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Mark Allen Wells
>>To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>>Date: Sunday, August 05, 2001 10:43 AM
>>Subject: RE: Gone Fission or Uranium in My Granite Sand Makes My Grow Beds
>>Glow!!
>>
>>
>> >I am proudly an independent farmer, you should give a definition of a
>> >farmer, you would be amazed the many hats one wears, farming is a chosen
>> >way of life, a working religion
.I do not need tax breaks nor the
>> >government to assist in my generating energy for my farm use.>> >-
>> >
>> >Gerry,
>> >
>> >I agree with what you say to a degree. Farming is my heritage.
>> >I am very independent also and I work hard towards creating
>> >my dream. My work would go much farther if our government wasn't
>> >taking nearly 1/3 of what I make every year! That tax break is the
>> >people's money
.how can giving me my own money back be considered
>> >socialist? I am much better steward of my money and land than the
>> >government is. I have watched many many family farms sold off here
>> >in Indiana and elsewhere because of the enormous debt and low profit
>> >system we have created. Energy costs are one the largest drains on
>> >farmers. If I had a farm on a windy hill and wanted to erect a 20KW
>> >wind system here in Indiana (with my own money), any surplus I generate
>> >is DONATED back to the utility which they sell at a huge profit
>> >it cost them nothing
that my friend is B---S---. If the net metering
>> >laws were changed, the system would pay for itself by selling the
>>surplus.
>> >Is there any wonder there is no incentive to do it?
>> >
>> >While you may not need help, there are many who do. I would rather
>> >give my tax dollars to a struggling farmer than power companies and
Uncle
>> >Sam
>> >(he isn't very good at spending it). Our current system is badly
broken.
>> >If farmers were growing the fuel for our cars (which they want to do and
>> >are in Brazil) oil would no longer be used to manipulate and draw us
into
>> >wars. If farmers could grow industrial hemp again (as they are in
>>Canada,
>> >Australia, Germany etc) they would have another VERY valuable crop. If
>> >these things could happen, there would be no need for subsidizing
>>farms.>> >they could stand on their own much easier. These things are NOT
>>happening
>> >because of our government. George Washington Carver developed 100's of
>> >industrial uses for the peanut alone. Hemp is the most versatile plant
>>on
>> >the planet and played a huge role in the farms and industries of
>>yesterday
>> >
but you are an outlaw if you grow it in the U S of A. Take a look at
>> >what happened to the Oglala Sioux when they tried to grow hemp on
>> >their reservation as part of sustainable housing program
They didn't
>> >just seize the plants, they swarmed on the place in riot gear with
M-16's
>> >in the usual strong arm fashion.
>> > http://www.grassrootsnaturalgoods.com/hemp_news/
>> >
>> >We chose a petrol-chemical path and set up a system to protect it. I
>>don't
>> >expect the fed to fix everything or want them too
.but I do want them
>>off
>> >my back and expect them to use MY money for good.
>> >
>> >time to feed my fish.>> >Mark
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
. .
| Message 20
Subject: Threat to farmer's market
From: "Hiromi Iwashige"
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 21:19:49 -0500
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I market field-grown cut flowers at a farmer's market in a city about 15 =
miles from where I live. The market is located in a wonderful open-air =
shelter that was donated by a citizen of the city. The building is on =
city property. Here's the problem: Tomorrow there will be a city =
council meeting where the matter of locating a new fire station on the =
site of the current farmer's market will be discussed. Many of the =
farmer's market vendors plan to attend the meeting to protest this plan. =
=20
Does anyone have pithy quotations or statistics about the value of =
family-sized agriculture to a community or the benefits of direct =
marketing or anything else related to this issue? (Something an Amish =
lady wouldn't be ashamed to say, that is.) I thought of this list as a =
possible source when I read Mark's comments about Thomas Jefferson's =
writings on an agrarian society. =20
I am not a political activist but I really want to help keep the =
currently successful farmer's market alive and well.
Miriam
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market in a city about 15 miles from where I live. The market is =
located=20
in a wonderful open-air shelter that was donated by a citizen of the =
city. =20
The building is on city property. Here's the problem: =
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will be a city council meeting where the matter of locating a new fire =
station=20
on the site of the current farmer's market will be discussed. Many =
of the=20
farmer's market vendors plan to attend the meeting to protest this =
plan. =20
Does anyone have =
pithy=20
quotations or statistics about the value of family-sized =
agriculture to a=20
community or the benefits of direct marketing or anything else related =
to this=20
issue? (Something an Amish lady wouldn't be ashamed to say, that=20
is.) I thought of this list as a possible source when I read =
Mark's=20
comments about Thomas Jefferson's writings on an agrarian society. =
I am not a political =
activist=20
but I really want to help keep the currently successful farmer's market =
alive=20
and well.
Miriam
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. .
| Message 21
Subject: Re: Threat to farmer's market
From: "Arlos"
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 19:32:11 -0700
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Miriam,
Follow this link and look for Sam Earnshaw, I don't have an email =
address for him put he is a pit bull for sustainable farming and has =
been almost solely responsible for creating the organic farming movement =
here on the central California coast. He is very proactive in the =
farmers market venue. I personally haven't talked with him since the =
early 80's but he will help you enormously.
http://www.vcnet.com/koi_net/spawn.html
Arlos
-----Original Message-----
From: Hiromi Iwashige
To: aquaponics
Date: Sunday, August 05, 2001 7:18 PM
Subject: Threat to farmer's market
=20
=20
I market field-grown cut flowers at a farmer's market in a city =
about 15 miles from where I live. The market is located in a wonderful =
open-air shelter that was donated by a citizen of the city. The =
building is on city property. Here's the problem: Tomorrow there will =
be a city council meeting where the matter of locating a new fire =
station on the site of the current farmer's market will be discussed. =
Many of the farmer's market vendors plan to attend the meeting to =
protest this plan. =20
Does anyone have pithy quotations or statistics about the value =
of family-sized agriculture to a community or the benefits of direct =
marketing or anything else related to this issue? (Something an Amish =
lady wouldn't be ashamed to say, that is.) I thought of this list as a =
possible source when I read Mark's comments about Thomas Jefferson's =
writings on an agrarian society. =20
I am not a political activist but I really want to help keep the =
currently successful farmer's market alive and well.
Miriam
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Miriam,
Follow this link and look for Sam Earnshaw, I =
don't=20
have an email address for him put he is a pit bull for sustainable =
farming and=20
has been almost solely responsible for creating the organic farming =
movement=20
here on the central California coast. He is very proactive in the =
farmers market=20
venue. I personally haven't talked with him since the early 80's but he =
will=20
help you enormously.
http://www.vcnet.com/koi=
_net/spawn.html
Arlos
-----Original =
Message-----
From:=20
Hiromi Iwashige <>To:=20
aquaponics <aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com>
=
Date:=20
Sunday, August 05, 2001 7:18 PM
Subject: Threat to =
farmer's=20
market
I market field-grown cut flowers at =
a farmer's=20
market in a city about 15 miles from where I live. The market =
is=20
located in a wonderful open-air shelter that was donated by a =
citizen of the=20
city. The building is on city property. Here's the=20
problem: Tomorrow there will be a city council meeting where =
the=20
matter of locating a new fire station on the site of the current =
farmer's=20
market will be discussed. Many of the farmer's market vendors =
plan to=20
attend the meeting to protest this plan.
Does anyone have =
pithy=20
quotations or statistics about the value of family-sized =
agriculture=20
to a community or the benefits of direct marketing or anything else =
related=20
to this issue? (Something an Amish lady wouldn't be ashamed to =
say,=20
that is.) I thought of this list as a possible source when I =
read=20
Mark's comments about Thomas Jefferson's writings on an agrarian=20
society.
I am not a =
political=20
activist but I really want to help keep the currently successful =
farmer's=20
market alive and well.
Miriam
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. .
| Message 22
Subject: Re: OT? Was "
.gone fission
" now " What is green sand?"
From: (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 21:36:02 -0500 (CDT)
Nick to find it you need to go to the organic gardening suppliers I
believe that it is a type of decomposed granite the color is due to
mineral content
Bruce
. .
| Message 23
Subject: Re: Threat to farmer's market
From: "Arlos"
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 19:36:20 -0700
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Miriam,
I just found the email for Sam Earnshaw; sambo 'at' cruzio.com. Good Luck,
Arlos
-----Original Message-----
From: Hiromi Iwashige
To: aquaponics
Date: Sunday, August 05, 2001 7:18 PM
Subject: Threat to farmer's market
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I market field-grown cut flowers at a farmer's market in a city =
about 15 miles from where I live. The market is located in a wonderful =
open-air shelter that was donated by a citizen of the city. The =
building is on city property. Here's the problem: Tomorrow there will =
be a city council meeting where the matter of locating a new fire =
station on the site of the current farmer's market will be discussed. =
Many of the farmer's market vendors plan to attend the meeting to =
protest this plan. =20
Does anyone have pithy quotations or statistics about the value =
of family-sized agriculture to a community or the benefits of direct =
marketing or anything else related to this issue? (Something an Amish =
lady wouldn't be ashamed to say, that is.) I thought of this list as a =
possible source when I read Mark's comments about Thomas Jefferson's =
writings on an agrarian society. =20
I am not a political activist but I really want to help keep the =
currently successful farmer's market alive and well.
Miriam
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Miriam,
I just found the email for Sam Earnshaw; sambo 'at' cruzio.com. Good =
Luck,
Arlos
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Hiromi Iwashige <>To:=20
aquaponics <aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com>
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Date:=20
Sunday, August 05, 2001 7:18 PM
Subject: Threat to =
farmer's=20
market
I market field-grown cut flowers at =
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market in a city about 15 miles from where I live. The market =
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located in a wonderful open-air shelter that was donated by a =
citizen of the=20
city. The building is on city property. Here's the=20
problem: Tomorrow there will be a city council meeting where =
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matter of locating a new fire station on the site of the current =
farmer's=20
market will be discussed. Many of the farmer's market vendors =
plan to=20
attend the meeting to protest this plan.
Does anyone have =
pithy=20
quotations or statistics about the value of family-sized =
agriculture=20
to a community or the benefits of direct marketing or anything else =
related=20
to this issue? (Something an Amish lady wouldn't be ashamed to =
say,=20
that is.) I thought of this list as a possible source when I =
read=20
Mark's comments about Thomas Jefferson's writings on an agrarian=20
society.
I am not a =
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activist but I really want to help keep the currently successful =
farmer's=20
market alive and well.
Miriam
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| Message 24
Subject: Family farm definition
From: "Hiromi Iwashige"
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 21:42:03 -0500
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Arlos,
Mark's definition of a family farm may differ from mine, but I see a =
family farm as a place where people who make up one household (or =
several households in an extended family) live on land that produces a =
marketable or consumable agricultural product with most of the labor =
supplied by the family who lives there. Ideally the agricultural =
production provides the family's living.
In many rural areas the countryside is almost deserted during the =
workday. Farmland has been sold seperately from the homesteads of the =
families who once worked the land and the new country residents go to =
the city to make their living. But perhaps some of these people can yet =
find ways to make a living on the small acreages that come with their =
purchase of a farmstead. Aquaponics may be part of the answer.
Miriam
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Arlos,
Mark's definition of =
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people who=20
make up one household (or several households in an extended family) live =
on land=20
that produces a marketable or consumable agricultural product with most =
of the=20
labor supplied by the family who lives there. Ideally=20
the agricultural production provides the family's=20
living.
In many rural areas =
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countryside is almost deserted during the workday. Farmland has =
been sold=20
seperately from the homesteads of the families who once worked the land =
and the=20
new country residents go to the city to make their living. But =
perhaps=20
some of these people can yet find ways to make a living on the small =
acreages=20
that come with their purchase of a farmstead. Aquaponics may be =
part of=20
the answer.
Miriam
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| Message 25
Subject: Re: Threat to farmer's market
From: (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 21:00:54 -0500 (CDT)
Miriam If you would tell the government what I think you would just have
the swat team come by for a visit so I think that you should talk it
over with your other displaced farmers and as one body with one voice
demand that the city designate another area for a farmers market out of
city owned land and have them pay the moving costs
Bruce
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| Message 26
Subject: Re: Gone Fission or Uranium in My Granite Sand Makes My Grow Beds
Glow!!
From: (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 22:59:01 -0500 (CDT)
Arlos I think that our current government leader is a Trojan horse
bought and payed for with big money. I cringe every time that I hear of
him speaking in public because the stock market falls shortly after or
he opens is mouth and proves to all the world that he is an Idiot and We
are Idiots for electing or appointing him .Clearly he is still an
Alcoholic and is binge drinking because nobody can be that asleep at the
wheel while sober.I wonder how long he will last after big business
rolls him off and tears open a new single pack from their wallet.I bet
you that he could be a successful brain transfer for a song bird his
brain would actually fit with room to spare but the bird would just fly
north in the fall to winter in point barrow Ak
It will be a miracle if he dos
not get us all killed
Mckain or Bradly would have made us proud but this is a disgrace
now
When I drive to Canada I lie and tell them that I am a Canadian just so
they don't laugh at me. They are right we are fools.
Bruce
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| Message 27
Subject: Re: Gone Fission or Uranium in My Granite Sand Makes My Grow Beds Glow!!
From: "gerry magnuson"
Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 18:28:51 -1000
do you work for the DNC? like those assumptive facts
.cowboy
>From: (Bruce Schreiber)
>Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>Subject: Re: Gone Fission or Uranium in My Granite Sand Makes My Grow Beds
>Glow!!
>Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 22:59:01 -0500 (CDT)
>
>Arlos I think that our current government leader is a Trojan horse
>bought and payed for with big money. I cringe every time that I hear of
>him speaking in public because the stock market falls shortly after or
>he opens is mouth and proves to all the world that he is an Idiot and We
>are Idiots for electing or appointing him .Clearly he is still an
>Alcoholic and is binge drinking because nobody can be that asleep at the
>wheel while sober.I wonder how long he will last after big business
>rolls him off and tears open a new single pack from their wallet.I bet
>you that he could be a successful brain transfer for a song bird his
>brain would actually fit with room to spare but the bird would just fly
>north in the fall to winter in point barrow Ak
> It will be a miracle if he dos
>not get us all killed
> Mckain or Bradly would have made us proud but this is a disgrace
>now
> When I drive to Canada I lie and tell them that I am a Canadian just so
>they don't laugh at me. They are right we are fools.
> Bruce
>
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| Message 28
Subject: Re: Threat to farmer's market
From: "gerry magnuson"
Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 18:33:03 -1000
in hilo, hi, the local farmer's market, privately owned, came ounder
problems due to the supper market nearby
.people don't like competition
>From: "Arlos"
>Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>
>Subject: Re: Threat to farmer's market
>Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 19:36:20 -0700
>
>Miriam,
>
> I just found the email for Sam Earnshaw; sambo 'at' cruzio.com. Good Luck,
>
>Arlos
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hiromi Iwashige
> To: aquaponics
> Date: Sunday, August 05, 2001 7:18 PM
> Subject: Threat to farmer's market
>
>
> I market field-grown cut flowers at a farmer's market in a city about
>15 miles from where I live. The market is located in a wonderful open-air
>shelter that was donated by a citizen of the city. The building is on city
>property. Here's the problem: Tomorrow there will be a city council
>meeting where the matter of locating a new fire station on the site of the
>current farmer's market will be discussed. Many of the farmer's market
>vendors plan to attend the meeting to protest this plan.
> Does anyone have pithy quotations or statistics about the value of
> family-sized agriculture to a community or the benefits of direct
>marketing or anything else related to this issue? (Something an Amish lady
>wouldn't be ashamed to say, that is.) I thought of this list as a possible
>source when I read Mark's comments about Thomas Jefferson's writings on an
>agrarian society.
> I am not a political activist but I really want to help keep the
>currently successful farmer's market alive and well.
> Miriam
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