Aquaponics Digest - Sun 08/12/01
Message 1: Re: Steve Spring
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 2: Re: Need help with Feed!
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 3: Re: air and bacteria
from "Dorothy Mann"
Message 4: Re: air and bacteria
from (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 5: RE: air and bacteria (small systems)
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 6: Scanners
from marc
Message 7: Sweet Potato Recipe
from marc
Message 8: A lurker's hello
from Mickey
Message 9: Re: A lurker's hello
from Bertmcl
Message 10: Water Water everywhere. from "Arlos"
Message 11: Re: A lurker's hello
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 12: RE: A lurker's hello
from "Chris Jeppesen"
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| Message 1
Subject: Re: Steve Spring
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 01:31:38 -0500
I answered you yesterday. Did you not receive my response? Contact me at:
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peggy & Emmett"
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 8:37 PM
Subject: Steve Spring
Hey Steve,
I sent a note to your address, it wasn't bounced but I guess you didn't get
it.
I'll be driving to LaCross on Wednesday, leaving Thursday afternoon to
Milwaukee. Are you along the route? I'd like to see your greenhouse.
If you are send me your phone number to my address by 6 am Sunday EDT.
.Emmett
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| Message 2
Subject: Re: Need help with Feed!
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 01:35:55 -0500
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Hey Thomas,
I'm definately on the tail end of this conversation. I don't know what =
you are feeding. Check the yellow pages and find Purina. They have a =
great mix called Aquamix. Just let them know what you are feeding and =
they will help you.
Steve
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Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: Need help with Feed!
I called every feed store in the Tucson phone book and asked them if =
they had any kind of fish food and they all said no!=20
----- Original Message -----
From:
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 8:21 AM
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Subject: Re: Need help with Feed!
Thomas Short if you go to the Arid lands greenhouses and lab. of the
UofA in Tucson on the south side of Tucson over by the airport you =
will
get a lot of help and if you call back the feed stores and ask for
catfish or trout food they will order it for about the price of =
$13.per
50lb. bag and keep it in stock for you.
Bruce
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they will help you.
Steve
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Subject: Re: Need help with =
Feed!
Thomas Short if you go to the Arid lands =
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| Message 3
Subject: Re: air and bacteria
From: "Dorothy Mann"
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 06:53:04 -0500
Hi-
Could this be like the table top fountains only with herbs and fish?
Becky Hines
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Schreiber"
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 12:18 PM
Subject: RE: air and bacteria
> Mark It's just common sense and if we develop a tank top model that any
> one can use out of the box from a pet store that looks good we will be
> automatically teaching the world Aquaponics one house at a time and
> cutting world hunger in the process
> Bruce
>
>
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| Message 4
Subject: Re: air and bacteria
From: (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 09:17:31 -0500 (CDT)
Becky I Imagine there will be many models out in time as long as they
work and look good they should appeal to the Aquarium, Gardening,and
houseplant crowds equally along with Educators and tinkers don't you
think so. We should involve all hydroponic methods in these table top
Aquaponic systems to get the most appeal. On the plant side of mine I
have used house plants for about 4 years with good success .I just sort
of tinker with it since with my Driving job I work all hours and really
cant find the time for bigger systems right now.
Bruce
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| Message 5
Subject: RE: air and bacteria (small systems)
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 12:30:17 -0500
Becky I Imagine there will be many models out in time as long as they
work and look good they should appeal to the Aquarium, Gardening,and
houseplant crowds equally along with Educators and tinkers don't you
think so. We should involve all hydroponic methods in these table top
Aquaponic systems to get the most appeal. On the plant side of mine I
have used house plants for about 4 years with good success .I just sort
of tinker with it since with my Driving job I work all hours and really
cant find the time for bigger systems right now.
Bruce
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Bruce,
maybe it's our 'aquarium backgrounds', but I think we both see the
potential of the smaller systems in the home and in education.
It lets a person start small, observe, create, learn
.and I liked your
post about creating out of the box systems. If I can, I'd like to run
up your way this fall and see your stuff. I have 2 systems in the
works. My 55 gal tank with fingerlings feeding my 2'x 4' bed above
it
my 90 gal with floating rafts on top. I also want an NFT system
like you described. If they are functional and attractive I think
they will do very well
especially if a person creates a good
info product to go with it
.say a cd and book "aquaponics A to Z"
packed full of maintenance tips, plant/fish info, resources, links
and a little catalogue of other products or services you may offer.
If we help people make sure they are successful with them, they
will keep using them and spread the word.
If the enormous success of the lily vase - betta bowl craze going
on right now is any indicator, it will work. The one I saw at my
aunt's was the first, now they are popping up everywhere it seems.
sound like a plan?
mark
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| Message 6
Subject: Scanners
From: marc
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 14:13:10 -0600
You may be a redneck if you think a scanner is for listening
to the police radio band?
> Hey Mike,
>
> You must think that this southern boy is the dumbest to come down the pike
> for awhile.
>
> Remember when you asked me to send pictures to you and you would put it on
> our mutual (aquaponic) website? Well, I asked you for your address. We were
> talking about scanners. I'm so "not used" to having a scanner that it didn't
> dawn on me for a few days when I was driving to work that, "Hey Stupid", he
> meant scan them to him
.DUHHHHHH!
>
> When I get some pictures, I will try to send them your way.
>
> Sorry
As my "mama' told me one time, "You may be Southern, but you ain't
> no redneck!"
>
> Later
(egg on my face)
.Steve
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| Message 7
Subject: Sweet Potato Recipe
From: marc
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 14:15:35 -0600
YUM!
Marc
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Subject: Sweet Potato Recipe I Want to Share
From: "TGTX"
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 16:22:40 -0500
Folks,
I am back from the offshore fishing trip and it was good.
Got our limit on
King, Shark, and Red Snapper. Biceps ache a bit, but don't
tell anybody.
Hemmingway wouldn't be proud of me if I admitted a bit of
soreness in the
aftermath of some good fishing fun. Water was a bit choppy
going out
.(I
loved every minute of that marine rodeo
.gotta keep the
knees in synch with
the salt water beat, and the sea legs adopt a mind of their
own), but upon
arrival at "the rocks", 35 miles out, the ultramarine deep
blue water was
soul-soothing. I almost got lost in the muse, gazing into
the deep, before
the fish starting striking hard. I love this planet
.nice
and airy, lots
of light
.plenty of storage space and
utilities
.convenient location to
nearby schools and shops
.I think I'll stay
if the
Land Lord lets
me.
O.K
thinking about cooking some of this fish tonight,
and the thought
came to me about side dishes. Y'all know that I often rant
and rave about
the top ten foods
.Sweet potato is at the top of the top
ten vegetables,
and I am always on the look out for ways to grow them
(some nice photos
of a NASA project growing hyrdo sweet potato :
http://advlifesupport.jsc.nasa.gov/SweetPotato.html
.thank
you again,
Sunpeer)
and for ways to cook them that will appeal to me more than
the standard
baked or roasted sweet tater
'cause it's not just all
about fish to plant
ratios, mineralization and recirculation rates, and the half
life of
biofilms on the gravel
.right?
Here is a recipe for sweet potato salad, which I think is
very good, and
which makes that sweet spud a lot more palatable for my
taste. Try it with
some fish and a salad of mixed greens, some herbal tea or
adult beverages,
homemade bread, brown rice or Quinoa and Leek side dishes,
and you shall
have quite a meal, I promise you. Did you know sweet
potatoes contain fewer
carbohydrates than regular spuds? This is hard to believe,
but that is what
I have read. Maybe the glycemic index is higher, kinda like
carrots? But I
am now over my dietary head, so just pipe in if you feel
like informing me
for my betterment.
Sweet Potato Salad
Serves 4
1 pound sweet potatoes (not canned, for crying out
loud
just go buy the
tubers)
2 green onions or scallions, sliced (yes, you gotta include
most of the
greens)
1 stalk celery, diced
(maybe 2 stalks if you like a lotta
crunch, like I
do.1/2 cup lowfat mayonnaise (I did use the full fat kind at
first, 'cause I
had it in the house)
1 tablespoon lemon juice (or lime juice is good, too)
1/4 cup chopped Texas Pecans (Option
.toast them
beforehand
.yeehaw
.)
Parsley, for garnish (maybe chives?
use your imagination)
Peel the sweet spuds and cut into 1/2 to 3/4 inch cubes.
Place in a pot
with water to cover and simmer until tender when pierced
with a fork, about
30 to 40 minutes or so (don't overcook them to the point
that they are too
soft). Drain well in a collander and allow to cool.
In a large bowl, combine sweet spuds with onion and celery.
Don't mash the
spuds. Let them stay as semi-firm chunks in the mix. Mix
the mayo and the
lemon juice in a suitable sized cup by stirring and
homogenizing them
together. Then blend this into the spuds, etc. Mix in the
pecans. I add
salt and pepper to taste and allow it to chill in the fridge
for a cool
salad. You can toss parsely or whatever on and about the
salad to make you
happy, if you want.
I have tried variations on this, including adding chopped
baby carrots, and
substituting the mayo with White Mountain Bulgarian Yogurt
mixed with olive
oil and lime juice (which didn't quite do it for me). I
wonder if some snow
peas, or just English peas might work, or perhaps Fava
beans, black eyed
peas, or even black beans? I am still experimenting but the
original recipe
above is pretty gosh darn good. The pecans really make it
fly. Sure, you
can try walnuts. What about flax seed? Nah
.too
weird
right? How
about sunflower seeds? Would welcome any suggestions
.or
phlogestons
Enjoy.
Tedzo
.& my newest associate, Wilson, the Volleyball.
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| Message 8
Subject: A lurker's hello
From: Mickey
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 19:13:10 -0500
I've been reading in here for quite a while now. You folks have great
information and tips. Thought I'd pop in and say "Hi ya'll".
Corey and I have been building our aquaponics system since last March.
We converted our barn into a greenhouse. Currently, we have one 850
gal. tank in which we raise tilapia. This is filtered by 4 X 8ft plant
tray that is 8 to 10 inches deep. We're using pea gravel to grow the
plants.
The tomatoes seem to like the gravel environment provided the flow of
water is constant. The beans seem to hate it. Pole beans climb to
about eight inches and then gradually die out without crop production.
Has anyone had any luck raising beans this way? I'm germinating some
bush bean seeds now in the hope they will do better.
This year has been trial and error since neither of us knew anything
about raising tilapia or hydroponically growing vegetables, much less
combining the two systems. But, I wouldn't have missed this for
anything. I love it and I'm thoroughly hooked. I feel like we're doing
something good for the planet and for ourselves by learning to grow
wholesome food with less water and no pollution in a recycled closed
system.
Anyway, keep handing out those terrific tips! I'm sure I'll have about
a million questions once I get to know you folks a bit better.
The only tip I can offer from this year's experience is: if you even
suspect that something is wrong in the system, check it out! Things
sure can go bad in a hurry if you're not paying attention. We had a
late night raccoon raid on our barn. They broke in and dug up the
entire plant tray. By morning, the fish tank was a foul smelling mess,
the plants were dead and gravel was flung everywhere
I had a funny
feeling something was wrong right before I went to sleep that night but
our "watch" gander wasn't squawking so I decided I was being silly and
didn't go check it out. So, yeah
if you think something is wrong, it
probably is.
Happy growing!
Mick
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| Message 9
Subject: Re: A lurker's hello
From: Bertmcl
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 20:37:15 EDT
Welcome aboard and keep on trying and hope we may help you along the way.
Bert McLaughlin
New Kent VA
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| Message 10
Subject: Water Water everywhere.From: "Arlos"
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 18:04:12 -0700
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Aquaponics
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/08/12/national/12WATE.html?ex=3D=
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Yet another reason water recovery is so important.=20
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http://www.nytimes.com/2001/08/12/national/12WATE.html?ex=3D=
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| Message 11
Subject: Re: A lurker's hello
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 22:33:08 -0500
At 07:13 PM 08/12/2001 -0500, Mick wrote:
>
>The tomatoes seem to like the gravel environment provided the flow of
>water is constant. The beans seem to hate it. Pole beans climb to
>about eight inches and then gradually die out without crop production.
>Has anyone had any luck raising beans this way? I'm germinating some
>bush bean seeds now in the hope they will do better.
We've had good luck with bush beans, Mick, but have never tried pole beans.
I don't know why they would be different in their growth needs, necessarily.
Our best seller at the farmers market (after a bit of sampling and
education) was French fillet beans, which are definitely a good alternative
for those looking for something different from (locally available) green
beans. I was very pleased with their production. We also have grown an
"Asian green bean", but I'm not sure of the proper name because the seeds
were given to us (12-18" long - maybe it's called something else). This
plant is definitely a climbing/vining variety, and quite fun to raise. I
would think it would perform similar to a pole bean, so perhaps your variety
was just not suited for this fertile a system. We used our overhead
horizontal supports (normally used for tying up tomatoes, securing overhead
pipes, etc.) and trained the vines along them. It was great to be able to
pick the beans from the underside of the plants. Those we missed and which
grew too large for selling in the pod were sold as shelling beans and/or
seed-saving pods. We found even in our small community there are those who
valued that particular variety for their ethnic dishes.
>This year has been trial and error since neither of us knew anything
>about raising tilapia or hydroponically growing vegetables, much less
>combining the two systems. But, I wouldn't have missed this for
>anything. I love it and I'm thoroughly hooked. I feel like we're doing
>something good for the planet and for ourselves by learning to grow
>wholesome food with less water and no pollution in a recycled closed
>system.
Glad to hear you've enjoyed the learning process. It's still fascinating to
us after all these years as well!
Paula Speraneo
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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| Message 12
Subject: RE: A lurker's hello
From: "Chris Jeppesen"
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 21:11:52 -0700
Mick
Is the water flow to your grow bed continuous? Would an on-off cycle help the beans?
>>The tomatoes seem to like the gravel environment provided the flow of
>>water is constant. The beans seem to hate it. Pole beans climb to
>>about eight inches and then gradually die out without crop production.
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