Aquaponics Digest - Fri 08/31/01
Message 1: Re: costs and competition and quality
from "Leslie Ter Morshuizen"
Message 2: RE: costs and competition and quality
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 3: Lightsmith
from "Marc Laberge"
Message 4: lightsmith cont'd. from "Marc Laberge"
Message 5: RE: costs and competition/ Be warned
LONG!!
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 6: Re: Lightsmith
from LC543119
Message 7: Re: costs and competition/ Be warned
LONG!!
from LC543119
Message 8: Re: Water level sensor
from Ian Franzmann
Message 9: Re: Water level sensor
from Ian Franzmann
Message 10: Re: More vortex questions
from Ian Franzmann
Message 11: Specific Gravity of Algae
from "TGTX"
Message 12: Re: costs and competition/ Be warned
LONG!!
from "Arlos"
Message 13: Re: costs and competition and quality
from Arlus Farnsworth
Message 14: Re: Solviva Greenhouse type setup
from "Brent Bingham"
Message 15: Re: Solviva Greenhouse type setup
from "Brent Bingham"
Message 16: Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:-Monitoring hardware & thank you
from Bill Patrick
Message 17: Re: costs and competition and quality
from "Christopher S Weller"
Message 18: Aquaponics journal?
from "Christopher S Weller"
Message 19: Re: Economics
from BMac1978
Message 20: Re: Aquaponics journal?
from "Marc Laberge"
Message 21: Reply to - Re: Economics
from "David Atkinson"
Message 22: Reply to - Re: costs and competition/ Be warned
LONG!!
from "David Atkinson"
Message 23: Eatin' the Big Chalupa
from "TGTX"
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| Message 1
Subject: Re: costs and competition and quality
From: "Leslie Ter Morshuizen"
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 07:32:26 +0200
Hi
Don't forget to compare the relative cost of living in these calculations.
Leslie
> This is going to sound flippant, there should be a freedom index for
> incoming products. The cheaper the labor the more we leverage against
> slavery.
>
> > Do we apply more technology,
> > scream for tariffs, grovel for subsities?
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| Message 2
Subject: RE: costs and competition and quality
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 02:14:04 -0500
>Much of what is coming into the US is produced by slave labor / prison
labor
>and or political detainees. That said do we want Uncle Sam to do it all?
The
>more trade we do with places like China the more freedom slips in.
>Then you have places that trade at less than cost in order to get real
money
>to use in the open market. Others are using drug money to buy produce then
>ship it in to launder the drug money. Within reason they do not care
>if they take a lose on the load of vegetables.
>I do not know if there is an answer.
>Brent
----
I wonder how many Americans would change their consumer spending habits if
they were aware of this? A large percentage is apathetic
.but I think many
do care and just don't know. They don't know how important it is to keep
their
consumer dollars circulating locally
.how communities and farms need each
other. I do not know if there is an answer either but I do not think
aquaponics and other forms of sustainable agriculture can succeed without
education
without being actively involved with our markets
.building
relationships with our customers
.making them feel they are more than
just consumers buying produce
.they are taking an active role not just
in providing healthy food for their families, but in building healthy
communities and farms.
This won't be an easy task. In my town of about 28,000 there are maybe 25
restaurants (mostly fastfood) within 4 miles of each other. It amazes me.
I honestly think you could do everything right and still fail if you were
in an area where too many were of the wrong mindset.
mark
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| Message 3
Subject: Lightsmith
From: "Marc Laberge"
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 03:20:37 -0400
Would anybody know what average foot-candle intensity is required for Boston
lettuce? I just read that Gordon suggested 2000 at the plant level in his
question and answers section of the aquaponics journal.
Marc Laberge
Mont Tremblant
Quebec , Canada
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| Message 4
Subject: lightsmith cont'd.From: "Marc Laberge"
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 03:26:02 -0400
sorry
.I thought that 2000 was/is very high. I was just wondering what
other folks average light intensity is.
Marc Laberge
Mont Tremblant
Quebec , Canada
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| Message 5
Subject: RE: costs and competition/ Be warned
LONG!!
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 03:34:46 -0500
There are clear signs happening friends that this is all falling in
place.
Im not a pessimist, nor a biblethumper, neither ultra-orthdox nor a
radical. I m just willing to offer my opinion t wider scrutiny, in the
hope that someone might think on what I say.
---
Mike,
I'm going to send a longer reply to this offlist this weekend
.I'm
tired now (very rough week)
.and I don't want to sound like doom and
gloom. I'm not a pessimist either
.I love life and laughter
.but
you're right
.things are happening. I respect you very much for taking
the time and having the heart and mind to write what you did. I told you
when we first met that I felt God was calling His army together one
soldier at a time. I consider you my brother.
This list is many things to many people. For me, it is about learning
things I will one day be sharing with others
and building relationships
with like-minded people. I spent 2 months with the search engines, a
couple of weeks reading all of the archives and some time here picking
the brains of the amazing people that share so much (thank you all).
I still like fish and plant questions too of course
.it all fascinates
me. But like Mike, lately there has been a lot of things on my mind
about the bigger picture so I drift that way sometimes. Our town is
losing manufacturing jobs right and left
.the whole nation is and people
are scared. We have to reconnect the farms (that once created countless
small-cottage industries) with the city people who need them but don't
know it yet. (by farms I mean both urban, rural
.greenhouses, etc.)
I think aquaponics will one day play a role in sustainable communities.
have a great weekend everyone.mark
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| Message 6
Subject: Re: Lightsmith
From: LC543119
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 06:48:42 EDT
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Marc, General Electric did extensive R&D research and came up with the
2000fc as the best optimum range for lettuce, Gordon
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Marc, General Electric did extensive R&D
research and came up with the
2000fc as the best optimum range for lettuce, Gordon
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| Message 7
Subject: Re: costs and competition/ Be warned
LONG!!
From: LC543119
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 06:49:52 EDT
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| Message 8
Subject: Re: Water level sensor
From: Ian Franzmann
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 21:37:50 +1000
Hi Arlus
Arlus said
>You could always fake it. Put in a gallon (or whatever increment is
>suitable) at a time and record the reading. Now you can use the fraction
>of in between one reading and another to simulate fractions of the
>gallon (or unit).(Snip)
Barry has sent me some VB code and a proceedure, offline which will work
well with some mechanical changes for me to do.
I will post the results when I have it working.
Thanks or your help.
Ian
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| Message 9
Subject: Re: Water level sensor
From: Ian Franzmann
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 21:57:50 +1000
Hi Roy
Roy said
>I'm pretty sure what you are describing is a cycloidal movement, and the
>equation defining this movement is in any standard calculus book. Mine are
>packed up currently or I would have a look (if you don't get any
>satisfactory answers shortly let me know and I will look for my college
>textbook).
Yes cycloidal.
I am trained in Electronics math and familiar with Simple harmonic motion
of a point traveling around circle projected onto the diameter of that
circle as a position on that diameter.
Will post the results.
Thanks
Ian
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| Message 10
Subject: Re: More vortex questions
From: Ian Franzmann
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 21:57:02 +1000
Hi Carolyn
Carolyn said
>For those of you who are experimenting with vortex filters, can you
>tell me if unicellular algae dispersed though out the water column is
>affect by the vortex filtering process? Is it:
> heavier than water (and thus spun to the outside and down?)
> lighter than water (gathers at the inside and top )
> seems to be about the same specific gravity as the water (unaffected)
I am not the best at explaining processes so here goes.
>From my understanding of a Water vortex and I may be corrected with this,
is if the vortex spin is strong enough with it's height and width just
right all undissolved particles will go towards the center of the vortex
and down an air tube to the bottom where they are dispersed and will
settled out there.
Build one and see, they are wonderful things to watch through a glass tube.
Ian
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| Message 11
Subject: Specific Gravity of Algae
From: "TGTX"
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 07:21:48 -0500
Carolyn and Company,
The degree of intracellular gas vacuole development and lipid content ratio
changes in cyanobacteria (blue green algae) is an adaptation or phylogenetic
plasticity design characteristic that can result in the blue greens
floating, ie, they become less dense in bulk volume than the density of
water which is about 1 gram per cubic centimeter at ambient temps.
The other algae, however, can be settled or centrifuged out because I think
they are at about 1.15 to 1.20 g/cc
.but don't quote me cause that is
just a SWAG that I seem to remember from some old tattered notebook
Bear in mind that many flagellated species of microscopic unicellular green
algae (Chlorophycophyta) can swim against gravity and pressure gradients or
currents to a degree.
Ever thought of inclined plate settlers?
Ted
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| Message 12
Subject: Re: costs and competition/ Be warned
LONG!!
From: "Arlos"
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 06:32:22 -0700
Mark,
I'm not inclined to thinking the sky is falling nor sheep with flaming
tongues are descending from the heavens though I'm pretty sure i saw one on
a cell phone driving to San Jose this past week. the only prison labor I
know of for certain is products made by Norenco, the industrial arm of the
chinese army to put it simply. They used to export an SKS 7.62 semi auto
with folding stock which converted quite simply to a fully auto assault for
sale less than $80 (US)Perfect for the home protection enthusiast
.(OK,
this is tongue in cheek so don't read anything to heavy into this) as far as
drug money laundering produce for sale into the US I couldn't say but I have
visited ranches from La Purisima, BC to San Jose Del Cabo BC, that do
produce and ship to AZ, TX and CA and I've never seen anything resembling
prison or "Las drugas" money at work. The owners at the time seemed to be
doing quite well and I played soccer with kids and got my butt kicked
The
importation comes down to, they can produce it cheaper than we can
Here in
the silicon valley, manufacturing left due to the combined cost of doing
business. I used to travel frequently as one gets up and drives to Star
Bucks for morning coffee to install processing for wafer fab. It's just
economics not an act of God
. any time a change takes place and Y2K was a
good example, people start hoarding food, gas, guns, batteries and wait for
the Book of Revelation to unfold. guess what, we all woke up, had coffee,
computers still managed to work, the dog still wanted to go for a walk in
the morning and the water in the toilet still spun down the same direction
it did the day before and Christ didn't show up with the prize patrol and we
still have an idiot for a president
Mark, it makes me nervous when I hear
of God's army being called up one solider at a time. It makes me think some
spiritual hearing aids are in need of a tune-up.
Its probably time the bulk of the world got a chance for a larger piece of
the pie. India now has the largest middle class.
The question still remains, how to remain competitive? I for one am
willing to pay a premium price ever sat morning for produce from my local
farmers market because the money stays local where as i could go to COSTCO
and buy a flat of tomatoes for the same price I just paid for the bag I
bought at the farmers market. If we, one by one lose industries and then the
ability to feed, cloth and house ourselves then we're really in the compost
pile. Instead of attempting to re tool our heavy industries, we abandoned
entire communities and sent those industries packing. Could we retool
quickly enough in the event of national crisis? I kind of doubt that
.Do we
have a based or baseless fear of letting go our responsibility to put shoes
on our own feet? Maybe it's just growing pains. If the population is on the rise, there is currently only a finite amount
of resource to produce food including land, water and
.Do we start paying
$6 a head for lettuce in the winter or dig in and become more creative and
learn to produce more faster and cheaper with Aquaponics? seems to me
produce in the past 10 years has risen about 400% in cost. Local pippin
apples used to cost about $.39 lb. and now they're about $1.79 lb. I never
hear of new farms being build on the contrary here in CA they seemed to be
turned under as fast as you can answer, "Would you like frys with the
order?" and the question still remains, "Where the heck is the food coming
from?" Sharpen those pencils
. there is little we can do as individuals to
control our own world anymore but we can at least produce enough food with
minimal space to feed our families. S&S has made quite a nifty little
package and offered quite a challenge.-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Allen Wells
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Friday, August 31, 2001 1:36 AM
Subject: RE: costs and competition/ Be warned
LONG!!
>There are clear signs happening friends that this is all falling in
>place.
>
>Im not a pessimist, nor a biblethumper, neither ultra-orthdox nor a
>radical. I m just willing to offer my opinion t wider scrutiny, in the
>hope that someone might think on what I say.
>---
>
>Mike,
>
>I'm going to send a longer reply to this offlist this weekend
.I'm
>tired now (very rough week)
.and I don't want to sound like doom and
>gloom. I'm not a pessimist either
.I love life and laughter
.but
>you're right
.things are happening. I respect you very much for taking
>the time and having the heart and mind to write what you did. I told you
>when we first met that I felt God was calling His army together one
>soldier at a time. I consider you my brother.
>
>This list is many things to many people. For me, it is about learning
>things I will one day be sharing with others
and building relationships
>with like-minded people. I spent 2 months with the search engines, a
>couple of weeks reading all of the archives and some time here picking
>the brains of the amazing people that share so much (thank you all).
>I still like fish and plant questions too of course
.it all fascinates
>me. But like Mike, lately there has been a lot of things on my mind
>about the bigger picture so I drift that way sometimes. Our town is
>losing manufacturing jobs right and left
.the whole nation is and people
>are scared. We have to reconnect the farms (that once created countless
>small-cottage industries) with the city people who need them but don't
>know it yet. (by farms I mean both urban, rural
.greenhouses, etc.)
>I think aquaponics will one day play a role in sustainable communities.
>
>have a great weekend everyone.>mark
>
. .
| Message 13
Subject: Re: costs and competition and quality
From: Arlus Farnsworth
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 08:15:32 -0700
Exactly, freedom to do what? Freedom is often not understood.
Well, I'm free to develop my plant and fish systems. I do get a lot of
pressure from people to go the nine to five route, mostly when I keep my
money hidden. I guess I am expected to be spending money as socially
mandated. I'm starting to be more confident with the small number of
fish I have, the next step is a slightly larger model. I will keep the
smaller version to run tests and tweaks on.
. .
| Message 14
Subject: Re: Solviva Greenhouse type setup
From: "Brent Bingham"
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 08:54:07 -0700
Yes,
We work with a group that does this same thing in Bolivia on top of a
mountain for the native Indians.
Brent
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher S Weller"
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 8:20 AM
Subject: Solviva Greenhouse type setup
> This Is for all ya' Northern US and Canadains (colder climes)
>
> Would it be fisable to use a greenhouse with the following type system
>
> 1. no elec heat ie solar heated water
> 2. barn animals for Co2 and added heat
> 3. fish for nutrients
> 4. plants for O2 animals and food for the family of 4
>
> by barn aniamals I mean cow, goats, polutry,
>
> by no elec solar heated water I mean a pumped system of pipes that pump
> water to a series
> of solar heaters similar to PV panels that the water heats up then
> is pumped back into the holding tanks for the fish
>
>
>
>
. .
| Message 15
Subject: Re: Solviva Greenhouse type setup
From: "Brent Bingham"
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 13:28:34 -0700
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A very cost effective solar collection system is available. If you have =
the space lay out black poly pipe on a bed of Styrofoam and fill-in the =
voids with 4' to 6' smooth stones trying to not cover the black tubing. =
Cover the entire bed with black poly sheeting leaving the two ends =
exposed. Place enough smooth 4 stones on the sheeting to keep it from =
blowing away. Bury the outer perimeter of the sheeting in a trench 12" =
deep with a portion flat on the bottom covered with dirt. Connect the =
two ends to lines running in a trench to the greenhouse. If you use =
propylene glycol in the lines it is safe and keeps the pit from =
freezing. You can get rather cheep fiberglass septic tanks to bury for =
solar storage. The pump can be operated by a simple line voltage =
thermostat which has a remote bulb sensor in the pit. If you wish to go =
higher Tec a differential thermostat is better. It shuts off the pump =
when the pit water is colder than the tank water. A simple coil in the =
tank will act as a heat exchanger. This is an open loop system with no =
pressure so the water in the poly pipe can and does get hot enough to =
burn you but does not burst. If you get snow you can place the pit on a =
pile of dirt. Efficiency is not really relevant but you can face the =
pile of dirt to align with the winter track of the sun to get more sun =
and get rid of the snow. From experience you want to fence out the cows =
or you get a lot of holes in the sheeting but it works even with a lot =
of holes.
Brent
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Arlos=20
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: Solviva Greenhouse type setup
the use of Solar (Thermal) is going to be limited to peak efficiency =
around 1:30 PM. Considering the short days in Northern climates it may =
offer only a slight increase in heat gain. If considering this type of =
system, you need a heat exchanger and not attempt to use process =
effluent as it contain far to many suspended solids.
snip
. You are still limited to freeze sensors which may have to overridden =
that typically shut a system down at 34 F=20
snip
Arlos
-----Original Message-----
From: BMac1978
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: Solviva Greenhouse type setup
In a message dated 8/29/2001 10:30:04 AM Central Daylight Time,=20
writes:=20
This Is for all ya' Northern US and Canadains (colder climes)=20
Would it be fisable to use a greenhouse with the following type =
system=20
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3. fish for nutrients=20
4. plants for O2 animals and food for the family of 4=20
by barn aniamals I mean cow, goats, polutry,=20
by no elec solar heated water I mean a pumped system of pipes that =
pump=20
water to a series=20
of solar heaters similar to PV panels that the water heats =
up then=20
is pumped back into the holding tanks for the fish=20
I think this is something that many of us would be interested in =
learning=20
about. I look forward to reading if someone has an answer to this!=20
Dawn=20
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the black=20
tubing. Cover the entire bed with black poly sheeting leaving the two =
ends=20
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blowing=20
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can be=20
operated by a simple line voltage thermostat which has a remote bulb =
sensor in=20
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better. It=20
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of dirt.=20
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align=20
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snow. From=20
experience you want to fence out the cows or you get a lot of holes in =
the=20
sheeting but it works even with a lot of holes.
Brent
----- Original Message -----
From:=20
Arlos
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, =
2001 12:09=20
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Subject: Re: Solviva Greenhouse =
type=20
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the use of Solar (Thermal) is =
going to be=20
limited to peak efficiency around 1:30 PM. Considering the short days =
in=20
Northern climates it may offer only a slight increase in heat gain. If =
considering this type of system, you need a heat exchanger and not =
attempt to=20
use process effluent as it contain far to many suspended =
solids.
snip
. You are still limited to freeze =
sensors=20
which may have to overridden that typically shut a system down at 34 F =
snip
Arlos
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Message-----
From:=20
BMac1978 <BMac1978>
To: =
aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com =
<aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com>
=
Date:=20
Wednesday, August 29, 2001 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: =
Solviva=20
Greenhouse type setup
In a message dated 8/29/2001 10:30:04 AM Central Daylight =
Time,=20
=20
writes:
This Is for all ya' Northern US and Canadains (colder =
climes)=20
Would it be fisable to use a greenhouse with the following =
type=20
system
1. no elec heat ie solar heated water
2. barn =
animals=20
for Co2 and added heat
3. fish for nutrients
4. plants for =
O2=20
animals and food for the family of 4
by barn aniamals I =
mean cow,=20
goats, polutry,
by no elec solar heated water I mean a =
pumped=20
system of pipes that pump
water to a series=20
of solar heaters =
similar to=20
PV panels that the water heats up then
is pumped back into the =
holding=20
tanks for the fish =
I think this is something that many of us =
would be=20
interested in learning
about. I look forward to reading if =
someone=20
has an answer to this!
Dawn=20
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| Message 16
Subject: Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:-Monitoring hardware & thank you
From: Bill Patrick
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:41:06 -0400
Bill Patrick wrote:
Here's a vendor site, I have some
> friends in the process control business I'll call them and find out what
> happened to PLCdirect and post their new site.
>
Well I checked and Automationdirect is now the old Koyo PLCdirect. Good
stuff.
>
http://store2.automationdirect.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ExecMacro/plcdirect/homeframe.d2w/report
>
>
> Bill Patrick
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| Message 17
Subject: Re: costs and competition and quality
From: "Christopher S Weller"
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 11:40:25 -0400
Arlus Farnsworth wrote
"This is going to sound flippant, there should be a freedom index for
incoming products. The cheaper the labor the more we leverage against
slavery."
My question is what is a freedom Index?
Chris Weller
. .
| Message 18
Subject: Aquaponics journal?
From: "Christopher S Weller"
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 15:10:07 -0400
Marc Laberge wrote
"Would anybody know what average foot-candle intensity is required for
Boston
lettuce? I just read that Gordon suggested 2000 at the plant level in his
question and answers section of the aquaponics journal."
My question more info on this aquaponics journal please.
i.e. where I can find it
Who publishes it
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| Message 19
Subject: Re: Economics
From: BMac1978
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 19:59:53 EDT
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In a message dated 8/30/2001 6:53:02 PM Central Daylight Time,
writes:
> THERE. I DID IT. NOW, DO NOT BE AFRAID. DON'T WORRY. JUST PROCEED, IF
> YOU ARE SO MOVED.
>
> This helps, eh?
>
> I Bid You Peace, And
> May God Bless You All.
>
> Ted
>
Thanks Ted, That really did help, and I am definately so moved to give this
a try!
Dawn
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In a message dated 8/30/2001 6:53:02 PM Central
Daylight Time,
writes:
THERE. I DID IT. NOW, DO NOT BE AFRAID.
DON'T WORRY. JUST PROCEED, IF
YOU ARE SO MOVED.
This helps, eh?
I Bid You Peace, And
May God Bless You All.
Ted
Thanks Ted, That really did help, and I am definately so moved to give this
a try!
Dawn
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| Message 20
Subject: Re: Aquaponics journal?
From: "Marc Laberge"
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 20:16:26 -0400
phone 209-742-6869
fax 209-742-4402
journal 'at' aquaponics.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher S Weller
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Friday, August 31, 2001 7:28 PM
Subject: Aquaponics journal?
> Marc Laberge wrote
>"Would anybody know what average foot-candle intensity is required for
>Boston
> lettuce? I just read that Gordon suggested 2000 at the plant level in his
> question and answers section of the aquaponics journal."
>
>
>My question more info on this aquaponics journal please.
>i.e. where I can find it
> Who publishes it
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| Message 21
Subject: Reply to - Re: Economics
From: "David Atkinson"
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 22:00:10 -0400
Hi all,
I am not sure if there are others bankers on this group, but as a banker I
will respond shortly to the issue of the 'economics' of aquaponics from a
banker's perspective with some points for your consideration.
I was unsubscribed for several weeks having been off the Island on vacation
with my family. Consequently, I missed the origin of this thread and am
also catching up in others areas. Time does not allow me to respond to the
subject matter today, but I will post the information to the list in a
couple of days. So look out for it.
Cheers.
David A.
(from Jamaica W.I.)
P.S. If anyone may have specific questions that they may want addressed,
feel free to contact me off-list and I will respond in due course. (Of
course a compiled FAQ file would be posted to the list for everyone's
benefit) :-)
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Batten
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: Economics
> Ted,
>
> Thanks for the numbers and advise. Every little bit of info helps those
like
> me who are looking into aquaponics without the benefit of experience, yet.
> You seem to confirme my suspicion. That is that aquaponics can be
> profitable, but it is not easy. If it was easy, more people would be doing
> it. Like most conventional businesses, the operation must be well planned
> and well run to make a reasonable profit. It is not a sure road to wealth,
> but aquaponics can yield a reasonable profit while providing an "earth
> friendly" product.
>
snip
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| Message 22
Subject: Reply to - Re: costs and competition/ Be warned
LONG!!
From: "David Atkinson"
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 22:02:01 -0400
Empty message, please resubmit with contents
----- Original Message -----
From:
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 6:49 AM
Subject: Re: costs and competition/ Be warned
LONG!!
>
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| Message 23
Subject: Eatin' the Big Chalupa
From: "TGTX"
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 19:29:24 -0500
>From: "Juan C. Bobeda"
>Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 20:42:13 -0400
>Adriana, the meaning of "chalupa" is Sloop, a small light vessel. In
>Mexico it is the name of a small two person boat. Also in Mexico it is
>the name of a small corn cake with some kind of topping on it.
>Juan
Juan, Adriana, e otros ranchos e ranchosas? de los agua??
In Austin, Tejas, or at least in South Austin, Tejas, which is an entirely
different State of Mind
To "Eat the Big Chalupa" loosely translates to
many things which generally mean
to wipe out on a motorcycle, or off
your board on a major tubular wave, or to buy the farm, or, to go to the Big
Ranch in the Sky, or, to give up the ghost, or, to have a permanent visit
with the Grim Reaper, or, to Dance with Mr. D
to be squashed like a bug
on the windshield of Life, or to otherwise have something monumental happen
which is irreversibly huge and significant, life changing, and which brings
to an end business as usual, or whatever was happening just moments
before
Kind of a culinary TexMex Jazz Fusion Reference to any of your
major personal revolutions and life changes
The end of wide awake hunger
only to be met with the beginning of sleepy indigestion
.
Crash Bang Boom
Tedzilla
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