Aquaponics Digest - Sun 09/16/01
Message 1: Re: plant beds and fish
from "Dorothy Mann"
Message 2: Re: 2 years down the road
from CAVM 'at' aol.com
Message 3: Fwd: 2 years of outdoor Aquaponics
from Bertmcl
Message 4: Re: 2 years down the road
from "Gene Batten"
Message 5: It's a Brand New Day! was: Moving on Down the Road
from "TGTX"
Message 6: Re: inclined plate separators - airlift
from pantryman 'at' empireone.net
Message 7: Re: 2 years of outdoor Aquaponics
from LBenson307 'at' aol.com
Message 8: Re: What's This?: A betatron? - answer posted
from pantryman 'at' empireone.net
Message 9: Re: More juice
from Arlus Farnsworth
Message 10: Re: 2 years down the road
from "Thomas Short"
Message 11: Re: Moving on 2 years down the road
from "Thomas Short"
Message 12: Aquaponics Web Site
from "Gene Batten"
Message 13: condolences
from pablo obiaga
Message 14: Re: Aquaponics Web Site
from Jim
Message 15: Re: Aquaponics Web Site
from "Gene Batten"
Message 16: Re: 2 years down the road
from Arlus Farnsworth
| Message 1
Subject: Re: plant beds and fish
From: "Dorothy Mann"
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 06:23:59 -0500
Try this for info:
http://gardening.about.com/cs/msub16/index.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Rogers"
To: "aquaponics mail group"
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:54 PM
Subject: plant beds and fish
> I have been ask by a friend to design and install a plant bed to
> filter the water in a goldfish pond. The plants will be ornamental
marginal
> plants, any ideas on what the square/cubic footage should be. The pond is
> about 1000 gal.
> I hope my comments and comments of others in the last few days have
not
> offended anyone too much, it is an emotional time. We as a nation and
> nations must stand together and strong.
> Bob
>
>
>
| Message 2
Subject: Re: 2 years down the road
From: CAVM 'at' aol.com
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 08:46:39 EDT
Regarding a high efficiency, low energy system you might look at the work
done by Dr. Nick Parker of Texas Tech in Lubbock. I don't mean the work he
is currently doing on the university farm. I mean the greenhouse and
aquaponics set up he has on campus.
Dr. Parker takes dairy manure in a slurry into an anaerobic digester in the
greenhouse. The methane runs his fish and plant system. He uses the
effluent to raise tilapia, bass, catfish, etc. The waste from the fish tanks
is used for duckweed, algae, and other plantlife in the greenhouse.
The last step to handling the water is an indoor constructed wetland to
filter the remaining nutrients before discharge.
This is a beautiful system and operates with very low inputs. It is a pretty
low tech system that does not require a staff of students to operate.
I bet Ted could put enough details in this description to make you want one.
Neal Van Milligen
Kentucky Enrichment Inc
byproduct processors
| Message 3
Subject: Fwd: 2 years of outdoor Aquaponics
From: Bertmcl
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 09:39:47 EDT
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From: Bertmcl
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Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 22:16:02 EDT
Subject: 2 years of outdoor Aquaponics
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I will try to keep this as short as possible - during my 2 years of outdoor
Aquaponics I grown zinnia & dalhias for cut flower market ( 8 beds hydroponic
and 8 beds aquaponics)
What I have learned -
These flowers can be grown with no noticeable difference in production in
Aquaponics.
There is a great market for these cut flowers.
I pumped fish effulent directly to the grow beds with no problems.
I had adequate aeration with water draining into a sump tank and the pumping
to fish.
I had extremly low mortality rates. The Tilapia have grown from 5/8" babies
to over a pound in less than 11 months in water that was in the 60 degree F
range for more than 3 months.
Now I am making plans to move the operation, this fall, into a greenhouse,
which will give me a longer season as well as protection from the summer
"bugs".
There is much more to share,which I will be happy to share with you offlist.
My 3 years of AQUAPONICS have really opened my eyes, I never dreamed that
their was a simple way of producing food and fiber and still help save our
environment.
Hope see some of you in NC.
Bert
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| Message 4
Subject: Re: 2 years down the road
From: "Gene Batten"
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 09:52:05 -0400
Thanks for the reference. I did a search and found his web site at the
following address. Others may also be interested.
http://www.tcru.ttu.edu/tcru/parker/
.Gene Batten
----- Original Message -----
From:
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: 2 years down the road
> Regarding a high efficiency, low energy system you might look at the work
> done by Dr. Nick Parker of Texas Tech in Lubbock. I don't mean the work
he
> is currently doing on the university farm. I mean the greenhouse and
> aquaponics set up he has on campus.
>
> Dr. Parker takes dairy manure in a slurry into an anaerobic digester in
the
> greenhouse. The methane runs his fish and plant system. He uses the
> effluent to raise tilapia, bass, catfish, etc. The waste from the fish
tanks
> is used for duckweed, algae, and other plantlife in the greenhouse.
>
> The last step to handling the water is an indoor constructed wetland to
> filter the remaining nutrients before discharge.
>
> This is a beautiful system and operates with very low inputs. It is a
pretty
> low tech system that does not require a staff of students to operate.
>
> I bet Ted could put enough details in this description to make you want
one.
>
> Neal Van Milligen
> Kentucky Enrichment Inc
> byproduct processors
| Message 5
Subject: It's a Brand New Day! was: Moving on Down the Road
From: "TGTX"
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 08:57:14 -0500
Brent wrote:
>Perhaps we may all benefit by helping each other develop better was to =
>operate more efficiently. Some have; wood, running water, ponds, wind, =
>or only sun light. Some only have there basements. Could we start a pool =
>of knowledge everyone around the world can add too and tap into, for the =
>common good. Possibly we could all agree on this as a way to help in our =
>own small way.
> I am told the ostrich avoids his problems by putting his head in a
> hole. My sources tell me most of us have our heads up a hole but we
> can do something else. Can we start today to set some direction to our
> efforts and make a difference in the world?
And Lloyd wrote:
>Sounds like a wise course to me, Brent. Over dependence upon oil is
>definitely a factor in Tuesday's attrocity.
And Gene wrote:
>I urge all members of this list to openly and freely share their =
>knowledge and experience of aquaponics. Many of us, like myself, are =
>just beginning to learn about this technology. While there is much =
>information available from various sources, some for free and some for =
>sale, I have not yet found a really good web site that shows, in detail, =
>how to set up and manage an aquaponics system. Perhaps we could get one =
>started, or at least provide a list of links to existing sites.
All of your expressions I referred to above I strongly agree with. I would
say that some of us have been doing much of what y'all have suggested in
various ways for several years on this list, either by doing it in the real
world, or providing information and encouragement and some entertainment
along the way to keep things human and at least a little light hearted, or a
little bit of all of those things both real and theoretical and theatrical,
in various verbose combinations, ahem
And now we have this incredible, almost daunting, list of links for
exploring aquaculture, hydroponics, hardware, alternate energy, farming, etc
websites that Mike Barnett and company have put together, and the aquaponics
list archive that Jim and company have put together, and then you
have all the wisdom that Tom and Paula have shared with the world in the
form of their plans and videos that they have for sale on their website, and
then you have the Growing Edge articles that have appeared, some by Gordon
Watkins on this list, and some by others, and then you have the resources of
the Aquaponics Journal put out by Rebecca Nelson which some of us have
written articles for, and there are the numerous peer-reviewed papers that
Dr. Jim Rakocy et. al. have published going back many years, as well as the
work of McMurtry, Nelson, Sanders, Hodges, Hargreaves, Bailey, Sneed, Allen,
Ellis, Lewis, Yopp, Schramm, Brandenberg, and more in academia and
government.
So I would say the info is out there.
But, wow, folks, that's a lot of resources. It is almost daunting in it's
size and scope, but maybe I can take some time on this brand new day (I just
stepped outside to check the chickens and collect some eggs and witnessed a
beautiful sunrise
glorious!) and just assert a few points we have made on
the list in the past, just to summarize some of the ideas that could
contribute toward what you guys were just now cheerleading about.
Alternate Energy for the Aquaponics Greenhouse
1) Heat:
You can build a solar heater out of black poly pipe inside a 4x8 frame,
or a series of them and scale it up. Check out the aquaponics archive for
the post I sent years ago about the striped bass hatchery in North or South
Carolina that used this. I listed all the parts and volumes and exchange
rates, etc. It works.
Old truck radiators for solar collectors. We talked about this
recently.
Solar "trough" reflectors focus lots of energy on the black copper pipe
at the focal point, certainly enough energy for heating water, and if
engineered properly, enough heat to drive steam engines for mechanical power
and thus electricity. We sent out lots of links to websites and papers on
this in the aquaponics archives, and Mike's links should show that in
buckets. I strongly suggest that my country (the USA) and my fellow
countrymen, and women, look into the solar trough technology, perhaps
coupled with Stirling engines or thermoacoustic engines for electrical
generation, refrigeration, etc.
Biomass and fossil fuel combustion methods: Shucked corn as fuel for a
biomass source of heat. Pelletized hardwood, waste wood, or scrap lumber
from construction/demolition sites as fuel. Pelleted fuel burners burn hot
and clean. Taylor wood furnances that are set up outside the
barn/home/greenhouse. Fluidized bed pelleted coal furnaces burn hot and
clean for those of you that have some combustion engineer and advanced
technology backgrounds. I have seen the Cool Water Coal Gasification Plant
near Barstow, CA, and studied it extensively while I was working with a
consulting firm contracted to California Edison and EPRI. Burn waste oil
that farmers will GIVE you so they don't have to pay for disposal. Use a
compressed air injection and aerosal aspiration fuel burner. Again, this is
for the more technologically adept folks out there. You will be amazed at
how clean the vent stack is if you get it right. No soot no smoke. I have
seen this work with waste oil. Amazing. Biodiesel is another possibility
using waste frying oil from restaurants and institutions where a lot of
people have to be fed. Veggievan discussions have come and gone on this
list. Think about that option for heat. Of course there is the ethanol
option to store combustible forms of biomass. This requires some processing
and considerable technology and moderate technical skills.
Methane as fuel for heat. Methane from anaerobic digestion (AD) tanks,
the organic material as feed stock potentially originating from excess
sludge within an recirculation aquaculture system. I know a guy whose
company knows all there is to know about this. The other products from AD
can help fertigate "organic" hydroponic grow beds. I am working with
aforesaid "Mr. AD" to do this in an integrated agriculture/aquaculture
system on large scales. Wish us luck.
Heat pumps with exchange coils buried in the ground. While this is not
necessarily off grid, it can be very efficient in the use of the thermal
energy stored in the earth and pumped into the greenhouse or fish barn
environment. And while we are on the subject of heat and efficiency, we
cannot overlook the importance of heat storage and insulation and
vent/building operation controls. Thermal mass is key, and highly effective
insulation is also an essential element, wherever it can be applied. This
is an integrated, systems approach that we must incorporate into our homes,
fish barns, and greenhouses wherever we can feasibly and economically do so.
2) Mechanical and Electrical power
Some years ago on this list I talked about the Pierson vertical shaft
wind turbine. This design appeals to me because it has the "stator" walls
positioned at normal or tangential angles to the rotor buckets. Said walls
"scoop" and direct even low velocity winds into the buckets, enhancing the
ability of the Pierson turbine design to collect mechanical energy in
relatively low velocity winds. I envision a 32 or 48 foot tall tower, 16
feet by 16 feet square at the base and at the top. On top of this platform,
you build the vertical shaft wind turbine in the center, and build solid,
strong, steel reinforced and cross-braced walls pointing inward toward the
shaft buckets. This will "scoop" wind into the buckets and you will be able
to generate power at relatively low wind speeds. Now you take the 3-D space
below the tower and do aquaponic things with it. Are you with me? This is
the TGTX Tower of Power. It can feed a small family, or maybe a large
family, if the vertical space is used effectively.
The Hornet wind turbine is a neat little wind turbine that you folks
might want to explore. It goes agains much of the conventional wisdom of
wind turbine design, but it is a beautiful thing. Check it out. Some of
you could readily build designs like these in your shops. Just crank them
out. They are strong and durable. Welded. If you mass produce them, you
could have many on your farm and within your community. I posted the links
to this and shared info on it some time ago. Do a search on the web if you
can't find my earlier posts on this neat turbine design.
Buy a copy of Hugh Piggott's "Brakedrum Windmill Plans". It is only
$14.95, Catalog No. 2040, available from Lindsay Publications, Inc. P.O.
Box 538, Bradley, IL 60915, phone 815-935-5353. www.lindsaybks.com. I
HIGHLY RECOMMEND that any of you that have even a modest degree of shop
skills secure a copy of the upcoming October catalog from Lindsay
Publications. Everything from books on "Programming and Customizing the PIC
MicroController", by Myke Predko, which can help you control things in the
greenhouse, to "Fuel from Water" by Michael Peavy which informs us on
hydrogen homesteading and more, can be found in Lindsays book selections.
Lots of info on shop techniques
metal shop, wood shop, machine
shop
.making a pipe bender to form your own greenhouse hoops
.basic
chemistry
how to build a forge
Get this catalog and carefully select and order some stuff from it, if you
are serious about self reliance and technical skill development.
There's this so-called Green Turbine design, a vertical shaft design
that has been tauted as simple and feasible, made of canvas or very thick
plastic sheets as scoops. I don't know how well it would hold up under
powerful wind gusts, however. You can find it on the web. I saw a
table-top model of one operating in front of a little fan. I was kinda
neat, but again I wonder if such a design might destroy itself in turbulent
winds.
Photovoltaics. The web is full of references. I suggest you check out
Home Power magazine. Full of resources. They have a website where you can
order all their back issues on CD Rom for a pretty good price. I would
strongly suggest looking into buying that package of 5 CDs if you are just
getting started and you just want to do some research. As I pointed out
earlier in my warning with the links I sent on sustainable farming etc, Home
Power is drip perculated through 40 lbs of left leaning and extremist
environmental rhetoric that you may choose to ignore, and that some of you
will undoubtably embrace in "solidarity". Well, either way, just remain
calm and use the good stuff you find there to advance your independence and
"our" independence, my friends. Again, check out the alternative
energy/solar energy links tha Mike Barnett has put together. Great job, my
brother.
Gotta go to church now. The whole house is buzzing and swarming. I am
going to do some "stretching" exercises that I alluded to in my earlier
posts. I pray that we all do the same in our own ways.
Thanks for the positive vibrations, yeah!
It's a Brand New Day!
Ted
| Message 6
Subject: Re: inclined plate separators - airlift
From: pantryman 'at' empireone.net
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 10:34:23 -0500
AIRLIFT
To those on the list who wanted plans for an airlift to remove solid waste. Partial pictures
can be seen in the
aquaponics section of our page: www.oneaccordfoodpantry.org
All parts are 4 thinwall PVC. Remember to deburr all holes and cuts.
Lay out a T fitting and cut (2) pieces of pipe 18 long (this will be the foot of the lift
which you place in
your tank). Along the bottom of these two pieces, drill a series of 3/16 holes 1 apart.
Insert the two pieces
into the opposing holes in the T and cement in place. Cement caps on both of the ends.
Now the tricky part: using an overly long piece of pipe, insert into the T and temporarily
duct tape in
place. Stand this unit in the center of the tank and using a straightedge from side to side on
the top of the
tank (a decent 2x4 will do) pencil a mark on the bottom of the straightedge. Remove unit from
center of tank
and mark again 1-1/2 above the other mark and cut. Place another T on the top but do not
glue. Position
unit back into the center of the tank.
Take another piece of overly long pipe and insert into the T. Point this piece in the
direction of the clarifier
and mark in center of inlet. Cut on the mark. Measure back 1-2 from the end (or at another
easy to reach
location) and cut off. Insert a 4 knife gate removing a 1-2 piece of pipe equal to the space
on the inside of
the gate. Insert the short piece of pipe in the other end of the gate so it aligns with the
clarifier again. Place a
90 degree fitting on the end of the pipe.
Build another foot as outlined above which will fit into the end of the clarifier, only this
time put a short
piece of pipe into the T so the 90 degree fitting can fit over it. Position everything so
they align properly
and mark each union in two distinctly different places. Disassemble, align marks and cement
together. Place
the entire apparatus in position and place (3) airstones down the upright pipe. On the main air
feed to the
stones insert a ball valve to control airflow and resultant discharge of water.
Bob
Carolyn Hoagland wrote:
>
> HI Bob,
> Thanks for posting the instructions. I'm sure Mike will be loading
> them up to the website for posterity's sake. We all look forward to
> your description of a simple air
> lift.
>
> Carolyn
>
>
| Message 7
Subject: Re: 2 years of outdoor Aquaponics
From: LBenson307 'at' aol.com
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 12:23:35 EDT
Hey, Bert
.there's an ad in the paper from a wholesale nursery going out of
business. I called him, name of Murphy, and he had a 30 x 100 greenhouse,
up, no plastic, with a propane heater (unknown BTU's, but it kept it warm)
and 2 fans. It has all the tables, I imagine like what we saw in the other
big one in Ashland. He paid $10,000 for it years ago and he and his dad
haven't yet decided what to ask for it. It is assembled and would have to be
dismantled and hauled (by us). He said roughly off the top of his head, $1800
to $2000 but stressed it was negotiable and they weren't really sure what the
market would price it at. He has acres of horticulture stock in the ground
and wants to sell that too and other plants and equipment. He is not
available until after 5 on Tuesday, but said we could come by anytime to see
it. (I told him you had to work afternoons into the evening). He's 45
minutes away on a farm in Cumberland, near Cartersville. Would it be good
for us to see what he's got? He might have something more we might be
interested in
.it would be good to compare the two greenhouses, wouldn't it?
What would the motor and fans be worth? We could always tell him about the
available one closer to us unassembled for $800 and our offer of 600
.he
could then come back to us. At least we're getting a better idea of what is
out there. Would you want to go and when? John and I could just go and tell
you about it or we could all go
.We have to go over to the greenhouse show
at the airport Hilton tomorrow that Ralph told us about. Hope your reunion
goes well. John and I will work on our stuff today
.let us know what you
talked to Stevie about the boxes and when and if we might be able to do
something. We have a lot of work here and it is going to be sunny and nice
till Thursday
.but we'll come out if you think we could get started on the
boxes. John wondered if it would be good to dig the hole to China any deeper
for the barrel?!! So the pump wouldn't have to work so hard? Call me
whenever you're free and also don't forget to let me know about the November
NC conference cost. Lyn
| Message 8
Subject: Re: What's This?: A betatron? - answer posted
From: pantryman 'at' empireone.net
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 11:23:15 -0500
Ted
.Take a look at my site for the full info
. finally got it posted.www.oneaccordfoodpantry.org
Bob
"TGTX" wrote:
>
> Hello
> > Actually, my father was the first human to see 'synchrotron radiation'
> discharging from
> > an operating synchrotron in 1947. To see reference to his observation go
> to
> >
> http://www.desy.de/pr-info/desyhome/html/presse/hginfos/hasylab/geschichte.e
> n.html
> > The experiment in 1947 was testing a new technique to inject a stream of
> electrons
> > into an accelerator (the accelerator or 'glass doughnut' was about 6-8' in
> circumference
> > and was powered by 70,000,000 volts).
>
>
> Well, shut my mouth. This is part of a betatron?!?. I saw a picture of a
> very small betatron, one of the first ever built, in one of those coffee
> table books about the history of science
that "donut" accelerator was
> literally just about the size of a donut that you eat
.wow
You know,
> Bob, that material in the electron injector you have kinda looks like
> copper-beryllium alloy, which is used in the mass-spectrometers I used to
> operate
an excellent electron multiplier material
cascade effect and
> all that, what? Cool.
>
> I will surely read the article that you have sent us via that URL.
> Fascinatin'. Betatrons are cool. I have speculated on what effects we
> might see by magnetically creating a forced precession of the "electon
> gyroscope" accelerated in a betatron. But then I am not a physicist, so
> these speculations are more for my own amusement than of any objective
> worth. I would probably play around with 70Meg Volts and make some
> lightning bolts, which would only make me thor
ahem
and result in skin
> cancer from X-rays caused by high energy electrons slamming into metal
> things.
>
> Kinda like what we get everytime we sit in front of a TV or a computer
> monitor, only moreso. Yep, folks, soft X-rays everytime you log onto the
> Internet and sit there soaking up that radiation for hours on end. That's
> gotta be nearly as risky as taking a high altitude plane flight, would you
> say?
What did I say before, about 3 millirem every time you fly the
> friendly skies with all it's natural cosmic radiation? Yep, gotta ban all
> computer monitors I guess
.stop the madness right now
cause it
> represents a "risk", and we can't have any of that in our lives. No level
> is "safe", right? Is that how the revisionist, deconstructionist, pretzel
> logic goes?
>
> Gotta get some coffee, toast and peanut butter. Haven't had my daily dose
> of aflatoxin today. Gee, I wonder if aflatoxin and soft X-rays might have a
> synergistic effect. Is there a toxicologist in the house? If so, do you
> want some peanut butter on toast? I'll fix you some for
> you
.heh,heh,heh.>
> Ted
> Spinning those Electrons for Ya'!
>
>
| Message 9
Subject: Re: More juice
From: Arlus Farnsworth
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 12:02:23 -0700
kris book wrote:
>
> .> question was raised about increasing the nutrient concentration in the
> S&S system to grow heavy feeding plants. I don't remember seeing the
> answer to this question.
Yes, I have read that aquaponic nutrient levels are suitable for leafy
production such as lettuce and basil. For fruit production, nutrient
levels would need to be supplemented. I'm not sure how well this works,
fish yield might decrease at some point as fruit production increases.
Much depends on particular variety of fish and plant. Remember, nutrient
requirements are going to change during growth. When a tomato starts
out, it has similar leafy vegetative needs to lettuce and basil. With
fruiting plants, there are two stages, vegetative and fruit set.
Nitrogen, Phosphorous and Potassium (N,P,K) are the primary nutrients,
the rest are trace requirements. N is associated with vegetative growth.
P is associated with fruit production. Light levels, temperature,
humidity all factor in nutrient requirements. Since the point of the
plants is to keep the water clean for fish production, I would hesitate
to add nutrients, except in trace amounts.
> Do any of you long time aquaponics growers
> think, that a more concentrated fish effluent is adequate for heavy
> feeders or is some nutrient derived from composted or digested material
> necessary?
I don't know about for the fish, as for the plants I have had all kinds
of things growing in my beds when I supplement my recirculating system
with organic nutrients. Not sure if a steam sterilizer would help there
or if contaminants flew or floated in. I have found the concepts of
"containment" and "outrace" to be crucial.
> It would be easy to run the effluent from two fish tanks into
> one grow bed used for heavy feeders and then branch out to other grow
> beds to cleanse the effluent.
> And if biofertilizer or compost tea is necessary then can't we modify a
> S&S system by adding a NFT or some other hydroponics system on the return
> line.Then after biofertilizer is added to the fish effluent that just
> left the grow bed on the return line, the hydroponic system is flushed
> with fresh water. All of this liquid then runs outside to a natural
> wetlands where it is cleaned and then returned to the fish tanks.
Yes, why not improve or extend the design? You could have additional
beds that are not in loop to the aquaculture tanks. These beds could be
maintained at higher nutrient level, perhaps supplemented with digested
solid fish waste and digested vegetative material such as duckweed or
lettuce trimmings. This would work for different crops, or several beds
in rotation that can be switched from in the loop to stand alone. When
one bed is ready to fruit, it is removed from the aquaculture tank loop
and supplemented to higher nutrient levels. Perhaps have a separate
biofilter component. Have multiple tanks in rotation, that way each
component may be cleaned at regular intervals.
Wetlands are good, however a mushroom bed can filter out significant
levels of pathogens before they reach the water.
| Message 10
Subject: Re: 2 years down the road
From: "Thomas Short"
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 14:20:11 -0700
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How do you grow the duckweed? I tried to grow it in my fish tank and they=
eat it in two days! I tried water hyacinth and they eat it. I tried wate=
r lettuce, it worked a while now the fish are about 4" and they are teari=
ng it up. Do I need to make a separate pond for the water plants?
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----- Original Message -----
From: CAVM 'at' aol.com
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 5:57 AM
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Subject: Re: 2 years down the road
=20
Regarding a high efficiency, low energy system you might look at the work
done by Dr. Nick Parker of Texas Tech in Lubbock. I don't mean the work =
he
is currently doing on the university farm. I mean the greenhouse and
aquaponics set up he has on campus.
Dr. Parker takes dairy manure in a slurry into an anaerobic digester in =
the
greenhouse. The methane runs his fish and plant system. He uses the
effluent to raise tilapia, bass, catfish, etc. The waste from the fish t=
anks
is used for duckweed, algae, and other plantlife in the greenhouse.
The last step to handling the water is an indoor constructed wetland to
filter the remaining nutrients before discharge.
This is a beautiful system and operates with very low inputs. It is a pr=
etty
low tech system that does not require a staff of students to operate.
I bet Ted could put enough details in this description to make you want o=
ne.
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w the duckweed? I tried to grow it in my fish tank and they eat it in two=
days! I tried water hyacinth and they eat it. I tried water lettuce, it =
worked a while now the fish are about 4" and they are tearing it up. Do I=
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years down the road Regarding a high efficiency, l=
ow energy system you might look at the work
done by Dr. Nick Parker of=
Texas Tech in Lubbock. I don't mean the work he
is currently do=
ing on the university farm. I mean the greenhouse and
aquaponics=
set up he has on campus.
Dr. Parker takes dairy manure in a=
slurry into an anaerobic digester in the
greenhouse. The methan=
e runs his fish and plant system. He uses the
effluent to raise =
tilapia, bass, catfish, etc. The waste from the fish tanks
is us=
ed for duckweed, algae, and other plantlife in the greenhouse.
The=
last step to handling the water is an indoor constructed wetland to
f=
ilter the remaining nutrients before discharge.
This is a beautifu=
l system and operates with very low inputs. It is a pretty
low t=
ech system that does not require a staff of students to operate.
I=
bet Ted could put enough details in this description to make you want on=
e.
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| Message 11
Subject: Re: Moving on 2 years down the road
From: "Thomas Short"
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 15:10:36 -0700
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Sounds good! Like I said before I am retired and am doing this just to ha=
ve something too do. I would be willing to build a web site for this list=
if you all can agree on what to call it. Or maybe I could put it on my W=
eb Site at http://tomsgreenhouse.50megs.com/ if you all would agree to th=
at? If that is no what you want and would like to make your Owen Web Page=
but aren't shore how to build one go to one of my other web sites at htt=
p://www.crosswinds.net/~thomaslshort/tomsweb/ go to the bottom of the fir=
st pace and click on "ENTER" to get to the main page then click on Start =
"from scratch" or "How do I start" and you will find out how to build you=
r Owen Web page.
If you would like me to build a Site give me a name to call it.
Thomas L. Short
=20
----- Original Message -----
From: BMac1978
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 4:31 PM
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Subject: Re: Moving on 2 years down the road
=20
In a message dated 9/15/01 11:59:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bingham 'at' zek=
es.com writes: =20
Perhaps we may all benefit by helping each other develop better was to op=
erate more efficiently. Some have; wood, running water, ponds, wind, or o=
nly sun light. Some only have there basements. Could we start a pool of k=
nowledge everyone around the world can add too and tap into, for the comm=
on good. Possibly we could all agree on this as a way to help in our own =
small way. =20
Brent, =20
What a wonderful idea. I can't really give too much at this point becau=
se we are just trying to get all out materials together to start, but I w=
ould love to see something like that happening. When I do get to the poi=
nt that I can say what is working here, I'd also love to share then. =20
Warmly, =20
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Sounds good! L=
ike I said before I am retired and am doing this just to have something t=
oo do. I would be willing to build a web site for this list if you all ca=
n agree on what to call it. Or maybe I could put it on my Web Site at http://tomsgreenhouse.50megs.c=
om/ if you all would agree to that? If that is no what you want =
and would like to make your Owen Web Page but aren't shore how to build o=
ne go to one of my other web sites at http://www.crosswinds.net/~thomaslshort/tomsweb=
/ go to the bottom of the first pace and click on "ENTER" to get=
to the main page then click on Start "from scratch" or "How do I start" =
and you will find out how to build your Owen Web page. <=
/DIV> If you would like me to build a Site give me a name to call it=
. Thomas L. Short =
----- Original Message ----- From:=
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rday, September 15, 2001 4:31 PM To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com =
Subject: Re: Moving on 2 years down the road <=
FONT face=3Darial,helvetica>In a message dated 9/15/01 11:59:00 AM Eastern Day=
light Time, writes:
Perhaps we may all benefit by helping e=
ach other develop better was to operate more efficiently. Some have; wood=
, running water, ponds, wind, or only sun light. Some only have there bas=
ements. Could we start a pool of knowledge everyone around the world can =
add too and tap into, for the common good. Possibly we could all agree on=
this as a way to help in our own small way.
=
Brent,
What a wonderful idea. I ca=
n't really give too much at this point because we are just trying to get =
all out materials together to start, but I would love to see something li=
ke that happening. When I do get to the point that I can say what i=
s working here, I'd also love to share then.
Warmly,
Dawn
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| Message 12
Subject: Aquaponics Web Site
From: "Gene Batten"
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 19:41:37 -0400
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Thomas,
Thanks for your offer to build and manage an Aquaponics Web Site. In my =
opinion, most any reasonable, related, and unused name would work. It =
should be a sensible name that identifies the purpose and subject matter =
of the web site yet does not infringe on names already taken by others.=20
Possible names that come to my mind include: Aquaponics Community =
Center; Aquaponics Library; Aquaponics Central; Aquaponics Clearing =
House; Aquaponics Resource Center; etc.
The url address of most web sites is very similar to the web site name, =
or is an abbreviation of it. I tried the following addresses and found =
them to be unused: www.aponics.com www.a-ponics.com =
www.aquaponicslibrary.com You will also think of useful and appropriate =
names and addresses.
As far as content goes, perhaps a list of links would be a good way to =
start. Why "reinvent the wheel"? Much information is already available, =
there just needs to be a central directory pointing to the many other =
sites. To the extent reasonably possible, it would be helpful to provide =
a description of each link.=20
Also, the links could be grouped according to various categories such =
as: System Design, Hardware Vendors, Economics, Marketing, Literature & =
Schools, Recent & Up Coming Events, etc.=20
Just go with what you think is appropriate and useful. This will be a =
"work in progress" that will need frequent updating. Thanks for your =
generous help. Show the world what you can do!
. Gene Batten
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Thomas Short=20
To: aquaponics=20
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: Moving on 2 years down the road
Sounds good! Like I said before I am retired and am doing this just to =
have something too do. I would be willing to build a web site for this =
list if you all can agree on what to call it. Or maybe I could put it on =
my Web Site at http://tomsgreenhouse.50megs.com/ if you all would agree =
to that? If that is no what you want and would like to make your Owen =
Web Page but aren't shore how to build one go to one of my other web =
sites at http://www.crosswinds.net/~thomaslshort/tomsweb/ go to the =
bottom of the first pace and click on "ENTER" to get to the main page =
then click on Start "from scratch" or "How do I start" and you will find =
out how to build your Owen Web page.
If you would like me to build a Site give me a name to call it.
Thomas L. Short
----- Original Message -----
From: BMac1978
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 4:31 PM
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Subject: Re: Moving on 2 years down the road
In a message dated 9/15/01 11:59:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, =
writes:=20
Perhaps we may all benefit by helping each other develop better =
was to operate more efficiently. Some have; wood, running water, ponds, =
wind, or only sun light. Some only have there basements. Could we start =
a pool of knowledge everyone around the world can add too and tap into, =
for the common good. Possibly we could all agree on this as a way to =
help in our own small way.=20
Brent,=20
What a wonderful idea. I can't really give too much at this point =
because we are just trying to get all out materials together to start, =
but I would love to see something like that happening. When I do get to =
the point that I can say what is working here, I'd also love to share =
then.=20
Warmly,=20
Dawn=20
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Thomas,
Thanks for your offer to build and manage an =
Aquaponics=20
Web Site. In my opinion, most any reasonable, related, and unused name =
would=20
work. It should be a sensible name that identifies the purpose and =
subject=20
matter of the web site yet does not infringe on names already taken by =
others.=20
Possible names that come to my mind include: =
Aquaponics=20
Community Center; Aquaponics Library; Aquaponics Central; Aquaponics =
Clearing=20
House; Aquaponics Resource Center; etc.
The url address of most web sites is very =
similar to the=20
web site name, or is an abbreviation of it. I tried the following =
addresses and=20
found them to be unused: www.aponics.com www.a-ponics.com www.aquaponicslibrary.com&n=
bsp; You=20
will also think of useful and appropriate names and =
addresses.
As far as content goes, perhaps a list of links =
would be a=20
good way to start. Why "reinvent the wheel"? Much information is already =
available, there just needs to be a central directory pointing to the =
many=20
other sites. To the extent reasonably possible, it would be helpful =
to=20
provide a description of each link.
Also, the links could be grouped according to=20
various categories such as: System Design, Hardware Vendors, =
Economics,=20
Marketing, Literature & Schools, Recent & Up Coming Events, etc. =
Just go with what you think is appropriate and =
useful.=20
This will be a "work in progress" that will need frequent updating. =
Thanks for=20
your generous help. Show the world what you can =
do!
. Gene Batten
----- Original Message -----
From:=20
Thomas =
Short
Sent: Sunday, September 16, =
2001 6:10=20
PM
Subject: Re: Moving on 2 years =
down the=20
road
Sounds good! Like I said before I am retired and am doing this =
just to=20
have something too do. I would be willing to build a web site for this =
list if=20
you all can agree on what to call it. Or maybe I could put it on my =
Web Site=20
at http://tomsgreenhouse.50megs.c=
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you all would agree to that? If that is no what you want and would =
like to=20
make your Owen Web Page but aren't shore how to build one go to one of =
my=20
other web sites at http://www.cros=
swinds.net/~thomaslshort/tomsweb/ go=20
to the bottom of the first pace and click on "ENTER" to get to the =
main page=20
then click on Start "from scratch" or "How do I start" and you will =
find out=20
how to build your Owen Web page.
If you would like me to build a Site give me a name to call =
it.
Thomas L. Short
----- Original Message -----
From:=20
BMac1978
Sent: Saturday, September 15, =
2001 4:31=20
PM
To: =
aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Subject: Re: Moving on 2 =
years down the=20
road
In a message =
dated 9/15/01=20
11:59:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, writes:=20
Perhaps we may all benefit by helping each other =
develop=20
better was to operate more efficiently. Some have; wood, running =
water,=20
ponds, wind, or only sun light. Some only have there basements. =
Could we=20
start a pool of knowledge everyone around the world can add too =
and tap=20
into, for the common good. Possibly we could all agree on this as =
a way to=20
help in our own small way.
Brent,=20
What a wonderful idea. I can't really give too much =
at this=20
point because we are just trying to get all out materials together =
to start,=20
but I would love to see something like that happening. When I =
do get=20
to the point that I can say what is working here, I'd also love to =
share=20
then.
Warmly,
Dawn
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