Aquaponics Digest - Mon 09/17/01

From: Arlus Farnsworth

Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2= 001 8:59 PM

To: aquaponics 'at' t= ownsqr.com

Subject: Re: 2 ye= ars down the road

re:
How do you grow the duckw= eed? I tried to grow it in my fish tank and
they eat it in two days! I= tried water hyacinth and
they eat it. I tried water lettuce, it worke= d a while now the fish are
about 4" and they are tearing it up. Do I n= eed to make a
separate pond for the water plants?

Yep. You = can still feed them some, if they like it.
=

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=_NextPart_001_0003_01C13EFB.FB543DC0-- | Message 2 Subject: Re: Aquaponics Web Site From: "Thomas Short" Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 22:10:12 -0700 =_NextPart_001_0004_01C13EFC.5ADB80A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So what is the URL to Dave's site we new bees would like to see it! =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene Batten Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 8:35 PM To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com Subject: Re: Aquaponics Web Site =20 Oops! I must have missed Dave's work. I am relatively new to this list. Perhaps what we have been talking about has already been done. If so, cou= ld someone please "enlighten" me. Tell me his web address. Where is his list= ? Thanks. .Gene Batten ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 11:21 PM Subject: Re: Aquaponics Web Site > > Excuse me if I've missed something, but speaking of reinventing the > wheel, isn't the ink just barely dry so to speak on Dave's good work > collecting and organizing a very nice links list discussed in this very > listserv? > > Looking around and noticing a bunch of new faces > > Jim.Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http:= //explorer.msn.com =_NextPart_001_0004_01C13EFC.5ADB80A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

So what is the= URL to Dave's site we new bees would like to see it!

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene Batten<= /DIV>
Sent: Sunday, September 16, = 2001 8:35 PM

To: aquaponics 'at' = townsqr.com

Subject: Re: Aqu= aponics Web Site

Oops! I must have missed Dave's w= ork. I am relatively new to this list.
Perhaps what we have been talki= ng about has already been done. If so, could
someone please "enlighten= " me. Tell me his web address. Where is his list?
Thanks.

.Ge= ne Batten

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim" <= ;>
To: <aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com>
Se= nt: Sunday, September 16, 2001 11:21 PM
Subject: Re: Aquaponics Web Si= te

>
> Excuse me if I've missed something, but speaki= ng of reinventing the
> wheel, isn't the ink just barely dry = so to speak on Dave's good work
> collecting and organizing a very = nice links list discussed in this very
> listserv?
>
> = Looking around and noticing a bunch of new faces
>
> Jim = Jr.

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=_NextPart_001_0004_01C13EFC.5ADB80A0-- | Message 3 Subject: Re: Aquaponics Web Site From: "Thomas Short" Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 23:12:35 -0700 =_NextPart_001_0005_01C13F05.11EE49A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Check out this and tell me what you think. I will put it as a sub directo= ry of my first site for now. When I have enough on it I will move it to i= ts Owen site. I need people to send me the information they think should = be on it. I will spend the next few days putting what I have on it. =20 http://www.crosswinds.net/~thomaslshort/aquaponicslibrary/Index.htm My E-mail address is Thanks for your time Thomas L. Short =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene Batten Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 5:46 PM To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com Subject: Aquaponics Web Site =20 Thomas, =20 Thanks for your offer to build and manage an Aquaponics Web Site. In my o= pinion, most any reasonable, related, and unused name would work. It shou= ld be a sensible name that identifies the purpose and subject matter of t= he web site yet does not infringe on names already taken by others. =20 =20 Possible names that come to my mind include: Aquaponics Community Center;= Aquaponics Library; Aquaponics Central; Aquaponics Clearing House; Aquap= onics Resource Center; etc. =20 The url address of most web sites is very similar to the web site name, o= r is an abbreviation of it. I tried the following addresses and found the= m to be unused: www.aponics.com www.a-ponics.com www.aquaponicslibrary.c= om You will also think of useful and appropriate names and addresses. =20 As far as content goes, perhaps a list of links would be a good way to st= art. Why "reinvent the wheel"? Much information is already available, the= re just needs to be a central directory pointing to the many other sites.= To the extent reasonably possible, it would be helpful to provide a desc= ription of each link. =20 =20 Also, the links could be grouped according to various categories such as:= System Design, Hardware Vendors, Economics, Marketing, Literature & Scho= ols, Recent & Up Coming Events, etc. =20 =20 Just go with what you think is appropriate and useful. This will be a "wo= rk in progress" that will need frequent updating. Thanks for your generou= s help. Show the world what you can do! =20 . Gene Batten =20 Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.c= omGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.ms= n.com =_NextPart_001_0005_01C13F05.11EE49A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Check out this and tell me what you think= . I will put it as a sub directory of my first site for now. When I have = enough on it I will move it to its Owen site. I need people to send me th= e information they think should be on it. I will spend the next few days = putting what I have on it.

http://www.crosswinds.net/~= thomaslshort/aquaponicslibrary/Index.htm

My E-mail address is

Thanks for = your time

Thomas L. Short

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene Batten

Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 5:46 PM
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Subject: Aquaponics Web Site

Thomas,

Thanks fo= r your offer to build and manage an Aquaponics Web Site. In my opinion, m= ost any reasonable, related, and unused name would work. It should be a s= ensible name that identifies the purpose and subject matter of the web si= te yet does not infringe on names already taken by others.
=

Possi= ble names that come to my mind include: Aquaponics Community Center; Aqua= ponics Library; Aquaponics Central; Aquaponics Clearing House; Aquaponics= Resource Center; etc.

=

The url address of most web sites is very = similar to the web site name, or is an abbreviation of it. I tried the fo= llowing addresses and found them to be unused: www.aponics.com w= ww.a-ponics.com w= ww.aquaponicslibrary.com You will also think of useful and appr= opriate names and addresses.

=

As far as content goes, perhaps a li= st of links would be a good way to start. Why "reinvent the wheel"? Much = information is already available, there just needs to be a central direct= ory pointing to the many other sites. To the extent reasonably possi= ble, it would be helpful to provide a description of each link.

= Also, the links could be grouped according to various categories suc= h as: System Design, Hardware Vendors, Economics, Marketing, Literature &= amp; Schools, Recent & Up Coming Events, etc.

Just go with w= hat you think is appropriate and useful. This will be a "work in progress= " that will need frequent updating. Thanks for your generous help. Show&n= bsp;the world what you can do!

=

. Gene Batten
=

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=_NextPart_001_0005_01C13F05.11EE49A0-- | Message 4 Subject: Re: 2 years down the road From: Arlus Farnsworth Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 23:59:25 -0700 Not a problem. I figured it was a given since you provided the solution along with the question. About the list of links . someone just put a list online recently, about a month or so. The work is fresh and is not in need of maintenance. The work we are avoiding now is to go through the archive and compile a faq. Thanks! don't mind my stupid questions but I am new to this re: How do you grow the duckweed? I tried to grow it in my fish tank and they eat it in two days! I tried water hyacinth and they eat it. I tried water lettuce, it worked a while now the fish are about 4" and they are tearing it up. Do I need to make a separate pond for the water plants? Yep. You can still feed them some, if they like it. | Message 5 Subject: Resource - list archives and aquaponics-related links From: S & S Aqua Farm Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 04:00:29 -0500 Here's a repeat of the notice about the archives location and Mike Barnett's links page: At 12:50 PM 08/10/2001 -0500, Jim wrote: > >PPS: Coded and posted Mike's link page with the archives at >http://www.i55mall.com/aquaponics/ For those of you who might have missed Jim's note -- here's the full URL for Mike's links page: http://www.i55mall.com/aquaponics/links.shtml Good work!! and thanks to both of you, as well as those who contributed to the links. Paula S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124 Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/ | Message 6 Subject: Re: Aquaponics Web Site From: Jim Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 07:27:38 -0500 Apologies to Mike Don't know where "Dave" came from when I posted that . You'd think I should be able to get his name right when I'm bragging on him. ;) I still think of him as the Jamaican Dude Here's a link to his web pages: http://aquaponics.20megsfree.com/index.html Jim wrote: > > Excuse me if I've missed something, but speaking of reinventing the > wheel, isn't the ink just barely dry so to speak on Dave's good work > collecting and organizing a very nice links list discussed in this very > listserv? > > Looking around and noticing a bunch of new faces > > Jim. | Message 7 Subject: Re: 2 years down the road From: CAVM 'at' aol.com Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 08:30:59 EDT << Subject: Re: 2 years down the road From: "Thomas Short" Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 14:20:11 -0700 How do you grow the duckweed? I tried to grow it in my fish tank and they eat it in two days! I tried water hyacinth and they eat it. I tried wate r lettuce, it worked a while now the fish are about 4" and they are teari ng it up. Do I need to make a separate pond for the water plants? >> - Thomas, if you want to grow and store duckweed and algae you have to grow it in separate tanks from the fish. I would think that the production of the vegetative matter would be best set in the polishing area for the waste water. The growing of fish feed cleans the water from the fish tanks. You have found that the fish readily consume this vegetative matter. I don't see what would be wrong with allowing it also to grow in your fish tanks for direct feeding unless it plays with your computation of feed rations. For those of you who might be thinking in terms of very low input aquaculture: In SE Asia the use of animal manures in fish ponds in common. The goal is to produce algae and other plant matter for the fish to eat rather than commercial fish food. They have found, by the way, that sitting the poultry house over the pond gives the manure direct deposit into the pond. Recent research finds that hog manure flushed in to the pond from the hog buildings increases the fish production significantly over poultry manure. I think this is because the hog manure contains so much poorly digested feed which the fish are consuming directly rather than waiting for the algae to process it first. Cornelius A. Van Milligen Kentucky Enrichment Inc. Byproduct processors | Message 8 Subject: Re: 2 years down the road From: CAVM 'at' aol.com Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 08:40:32 EDT Heating your system may be an issue for some of you. Many alternatives to natural gas or propane exist. There is on the market several very high efficiency diesel furnaces which can produce hot air or hot water heat. I would not pass over these items too quickly. They have additional benefits in that they can be modified very cheaply to use other fuels. There is a Babington burner, for example, which can be used to burn waster motor oil and other byproduct fuels to provide cheap heat. This burner can be home made (hand made if you prefer). Several stoves on the market can burn green saw dust right from the sawmill. Have it delivered and do the sawmill a favor getting rid of it for them. No pelleting required. Very cheap heat and, in some areas, significant tax advantages for recycling materials (sawdust). Many other heating techniques are out there. Ted is working on a significant anaerobic digestion project, for example. The methane will provide heat and could provide electricity also. If any of you have heating issues you want to discuss we are happy to be of service. Cornelius A. Van Milligen Kentucky Enrichment Inc. byproduct processors | Message 9 Subject: RE: 2 years down the road From: "Richard & Faye" Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 07:51:26 -0500 Along this line of conversation I have been looking for a manufacturer of round hay bale burners. We have several, almost 50, 2-3 year old bales that can not be safely fed to the cattle. Anyone know of a web site for this product. Richard Salmons Saline Valley Farms > -----Original Message----- > From: aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com > [mailto:aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com]On Behalf Of CAVM 'at' aol.com > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 7:41 AM > To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com > Subject: Re: 2 years down the road > > > Heating your system may be an issue for some of you. Many > alternatives to > natural gas or propane exist. There is on the market several very high > efficiency diesel furnaces which can produce hot air or hot water > heat. I > would not pass over these items too quickly. They have > additional benefits > in that they can be modified very cheaply to use other fuels. There is a > Babington burner, for example, which can be used to burn waster > motor oil and > other byproduct fuels to provide cheap heat. This burner can be > home made > (hand made if you prefer). > > Several stoves on the market can burn green saw dust right from > the sawmill. > Have it delivered and do the sawmill a favor getting rid of it > for them. No > pelleting required. Very cheap heat and, in some areas, significant tax > advantages for recycling materials (sawdust). > > Many other heating techniques are out there. Ted is working on a > significant > anaerobic digestion project, for example. The methane will > provide heat and > could provide electricity also. > > If any of you have heating issues you want to discuss we are > happy to be of > service. > > Cornelius A. Van Milligen > Kentucky Enrichment Inc. > byproduct processors > > > | Message 10 Subject: Expressions of sympathy From: S & S Aqua Farm Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 08:36:10 -0500 I appreciate the many thoughtful condolences sent, both on and off-list, regarding our personal loss. Mom lived 89 wonderful years, and was active and in good health for all but the last 6 months. Attending her celebration of life service September 1 were all of her 4 children, 12 grandchildren (missing only 3 step-grands), and 22.5 of her great-grandchildren, all but the 3 step-great's that were unable to make it, and including one my nephew hopes to adopt. The service was a fitting tribute to a very productive life. Mom will be missed -- I think she was perhaps the one "constant" in all our lives -- ever faithful, ever loving without reservation .not just her family, but everyone she'd been in contact with over her long life. Your messages help to ease our transition time, thank you. Paula S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124 Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/ | Message 11 Subject: sawdust stoves - was: Re: 2 years down the road From: "bennett" Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 10:00:32 -0400 >Several stoves on the market can burn green saw dust right from the sawmill. >Have it delivered and do the sawmill a favor getting rid of it for them. No >pelleting required. Very cheap heat and, in some areas, significant tax >advantages for recycling materials (sawdust). > Could you please tell me how I could learn more about these stoves? Thank you. D. | Message 12 Subject: Ted - was: Re: 2 years down the road From: "bennett" Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 10:01:42 -0400 >Many other heating techniques are out there. Ted is working on a significant >anaerobic digestion project, for example. The methane will provide heat and >could provide electricity also. > Ted, please tell us more about your anaerobic digestion project. Do you use a "septic tank"? | Message 13 Subject: Re: plant beds and fish From: "Leslie Ter Morshuizen" Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 16:05:59 +0200 Hi It is standard practise for the pump to run continuously. By ensuring the channel cross section is not too large, nor the gravel too small, there will be a flow throughout the bed, although it will be slower in some areas. It is therefore not necessary to have a significant slope, and in the event of a power failure you do not want the entire gravel bed to become dry, so make the slope gradual and have a lip over which the water exits to the pond. Leslie > Leslie; wrote > > > The rule of thumb is that the surface area of the bog garden should equal > > that surface area of the pond being filtered. Flow rate should be about 2 > > hours per cycle. Gravel bed depth should be 30-40cm and gravel size > roughly > > 10mm. > > > > Have fun, > > Leslie > > Would there be any ill effects if the water was to be pumped > constantly, as long as the bed is sloped so there will be no stagnate areas? > Ill effects meaning problems with the bacteria culture etc. > > > > > I have been ask by a friend to design and install a plant bed to > > > filter the water in a goldfish pond. The plants will be ornamental > > marginal > > > plants, any ideas on what the square/cubic footage should be. The pond > is > > > about 1000 gal. > Bob > > > > > > > > > > | Message 14 Subject: Re: sawdust stoves - was: Re: 2 years down the road From: dreadlox Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 09:54:49 -0700 bennett wrote: > > > Could you please tell me how I could learn more about these stoves? > Thank you. > D. -- Donna the experts in this field from around the world gather over at STOVES list at crest.org. With a little research you should be able to find their site and subscribe. Its EXCELLENT!! ><{{{*> Mike Barnett <*}}}>< JAMAICA, West Indies | Message 15 Subject: Re: More juice From: Andrei Calciu Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 10:46:22 -0400 Paula, don't you have tomatoes, eggplants and cucumbers in your aquaponics system? I thought these were some of the big vegetable items you produced, in addition to all the other lucrative greens. -_______________ Andrei D. Calciu (VA-4270) NEC America, Inc. 14040 Park Center Dr. Herndon, VA 20171-3227 Voice: 703-834-4273 Fax: 703-787-6613 This message and any attachment are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please telephone or email the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you must not copy this message or attachment or disclose the contents to any other person. | Message 16 Subject: Re: plant beds and fish From: "Robert Rogers" Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 11:03:36 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslie Ter Morshuizen" Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 10:05 AM Subject: Re: plant beds and fish > Hi > > It is standard practise for the pump to run continuously. By ensuring the > channel cross section is not too large, nor the gravel too small, there will > be a flow throughout the bed, although it will be slower in some areas. It > is therefore not necessary to have a significant slope, and in the event of > a power failure you do not want the entire gravel bed to become dry, so make > the slope gradual and have a lip over which the water exits to the pond. > > Leslie > > > Leslie; wrote > > > > > The rule of thumb is that the surface area of the bog garden should > equal > > > that surface area of the pond being filtered. Flow rate should be about > 2 > > > hours per cycle. Gravel bed depth should be 30-40cm and gravel size > > roughly > > > 10mm. > > > > > > Have fun, > > > Leslie > > > > Would there be any ill effects if the water was to be pumped > > constantly, as long as the bed is sloped so there will be no stagnate > areas? > > Ill effects meaning problems with the bacteria culture etc. > > > > > > > > I have been ask by a friend to design and install a plant bed to > > > > filter the water in a goldfish pond. The plants will be ornamental > > > marginal > > > > plants, any ideas on what the square/cubic footage should be. The pond > > is > > > > about 1000 gal. > > Bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > | Message 17 Subject: Re: plant beds and fish From: "Robert Rogers" Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 11:09:24 -0400 Thanks , Leslie, Dorothy, and everyone else. I am starting to install the bed today. Will let you know how it works out. Bob | Message 18 Subject: Re: 2 years down the road From: dreadlox Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 10:27:47 -0700 CAVM 'at' aol.com wrote: This burner can be home made > (hand made if you prefer). > -- Hi Cornelius, Would you have a source for these drawings? Or can you give me some leads how to do this. This is a scarce sight on the net. I have tried researching it before. Thanks. ><{{{*> Mike Barnett <*}}}>< JAMAICA, West Indies | Message 19 Subject: Where is the archive? From: Andrei Calciu Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 11:17:12 -0400 And how does one access it? -_______________ Andrei D. Calciu (VA-4270) NEC America, Inc. 14040 Park Center Dr. Herndon, VA 20171-3227 Voice: 703-834-4273 Fax: 703-787-6613 This message and any attachment are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please telephone or email the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you must not copy this message or attachment or disclose the contents to any other person. | Message 20 Subject: Thomas, Duckweed From: "Brent Bingham" Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 09:14:04 -0700 We took a different approach. We work with cattle and they will destroy range if left to themselves. We divide the available feed into pastures,as the feed is used we put out supplemental feed and move the water. The stock moves themselves. We used this same approach with nets to move the fish and keep the aquatic plants flourishing. We lower or raise the nets and they will usually move on there own with out much encouragement. Brent ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 5:30 AM Subject: Re: 2 years down the road > << Subject: Re: 2 years down the road > From: "Thomas Short" > Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 14:20:11 -0700 > > How do you grow the duckweed? I tried to grow it in my fish tank and they > eat it in two days! I tried water hyacinth and they eat it. I tried wate > r lettuce, it worked a while now the fish are about 4" and they are teari > ng it up. Do I need to make a separate pond for the water plants? >> > - > Thomas, if you want to grow and store duckweed and algae you have to grow it > in separate tanks from the fish. I would think that the production of the > vegetative matter would be best set in the polishing area for the waste > water. The growing of fish feed cleans the water from the fish tanks. You > have found that the fish readily consume this vegetative matter. I don't see > what would be wrong with allowing it also to grow in your fish tanks for > direct feeding unless it plays with your computation of feed rations. > > For those of you who might be thinking in terms of very low input aquaculture: > In SE Asia the use of animal manures in fish ponds in common. The goal is to > produce algae and other plant matter for the fish to eat rather than > commercial fish food. They have found, by the way, that sitting the poultry > house over the pond gives the manure direct deposit into the pond. Recent > research finds that hog manure flushed in to the pond from the hog buildings > increases the fish production significantly over poultry manure. I think > this is because the hog manure contains so much poorly digested feed which > the fish are consuming directly rather than waiting for the algae to process > it first. > > Cornelius A. Van Milligen > Kentucky Enrichment Inc. > Byproduct processors > | Message 21 Subject: Re: Babington burner From: kris book Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 12:22:11 -0600 Mike, I just joined a list a couple of weeks ago called wastewatts, It's mostly a bunch of English dudes having fun with alternative energies but, there is a lot of good info. There has been a lot said about Babington burners, along with pictures to show how to make them. I'll paste the URL below, it will tell you how to join the list kris http://www.geocities.com/wastewatts/index.html > Hi Cornelius, > > Would you have a source for these drawings? Or can you give me some > leads how to do this. This is a scarce sight on the net. I have > tried > researching it before. > > Thanks. > ><{{{*> Mike Barnett <*}}}>< > JAMAICA, West Indies > | Message 22 Subject: Re: Moving on 2 years down the road From: "Christopher S Weller" Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 18:06:15 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. =_NextPart_000_02EB_01C13FA3.71568800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As far as leaving off of the grid I don't but have been learning alot = from many sources on how to be . If you are looking for a elec alternative why not look into biodiesel = and a diesel generator or two or how many you need you use waste vegatable oil to make a biodiesel a good site to start = with is http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html I am currently learning and this is a interesting topic so if you have = any questions please ask some on the site that I have=20 forwarded with this email. Sorry I can not be of more help with this = process all I currently know is that you can run this in just about any = vehicle that runs off of diesel with little being done to the engine = (changing of some hoses ) they people involved in this are both very = knowledgeable and forthcoming with their information. Thank You for Your Time Christopher S Weller =_NextPart_000_02EB_01C13FA3.71568800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

As far as leaving off of the grid I don't but have = been=20 learning alot from many sources on how to be .

If you are looking for a elec alternative why not = look into=20 biodiesel and a diesel generator or two or how many you = need

you use waste vegatable oil to make a biodiesel a = good site to=20 start with is http://journeytoforever= .org/biofuel.html

I am currently learning and this is a interesting = topic so if=20 you have any questions please ask some on the site that I have =

forwarded with this email. Sorry I can not be of = more help=20 with this process all I currently know is that you can run this in just = about=20 any vehicle that runs off of diesel with little being done to the engine = (changing of some hoses ) they people involved in this are both very=20 knowledgeable and forthcoming with their information.

Thank You for Your Time

Christopher S Weller

=_NextPart_000_02EB_01C13FA3.71568800-- | Message 23 Subject: Property zoning From: Teresa Blackwood Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 17:27:25 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. =_NextPart_000_0009_01C13F9E.046B0630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My family and I are getting ready to buy a piece of property and wanted = to see what kind of zoning others on this list needed to start their S&S = type aquaponics greenhouse. We would like to have the greenhouse set up = on the same piece of land we live on. =20 We'd also like to know how many different licenses are needed to operate = this type of busness. Thank you in advance,=20 Teresa =_NextPart_000_0009_01C13F9E.046B0630 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

My family and I are getting ready to = buy a piece of=20 property and wanted to see what kind of zoning others on this list = needed to=20 start their S&S type aquaponics greenhouse. We would like to = have the=20 greenhouse set up on the same piece of land we live=20 on. &nbs= p; =20

We'd also like to know how many = different licenses=20 are needed to operate this type of busness.

Thank you in advance,

Teresa

=_NextPart_000_0009_01C13F9E.046B0630-- | Message 24 Subject: Re: Where is the archive? From: S & S Aqua Farm Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 21:27:14 -0500 At 11:17 AM 09/17/2001 -0400, Andrei wrote: >And how does one access it? > Andrei - the archives are located on Jim 's website -- http://www.i55mall.com/aquaponics/ Paula S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124 Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/ | Message 25 Subject: Re: visit From: "dyarrow" Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 21:37:03 -0400 hi bob, i've arranged to visit tomorrow with two friends: john noel and denis drouin. both are hard working, ingenious young men with serious interst in alternative technologies. denis does a weekly tuesday evening radio show on wrpi. likely i'll be by near to 5pm for a quick stop on my way to hoosick falls to look at a possible champion birch tree and spread compost, rockdust and trace element fertilizer around the tree. then i'll stop again on my way back from hoosick. regarding trace elements in aquponics, check my website for Bioponics: www.championtrees.org/topsoil/bioponics.htm ~ David Yarrow Turtle EyeLand Sanctuary 44 Gilligan Road, East Greenbush, NY 12061 518-477-6100 www.championtrees.org | Message 26 Subject: RE: Property zoning From: "Chris Jeppesen" Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 21:40:36 -0700 Teresa Check with your local zoning office, city or county ask some serious questions. It would be much better to walk away from an otherwise great buy than to buy and have less than great relations with the powers that be. Sometimes the powers that be can be all powerful. chris jeppesen >My family and I are getting ready to buy a piece of property >We'd also like to know how many different licenses are needed to operate this type of busness.