Aquaponics Digest - Fri 09/21/01
Message 1: Poem - September 11, 2001
from "Pete and Diana Scholtens"
Message 2: Re: Lettuce to form heads
from Donald Bailey
Message 3: Re: Lettuce to form heads
from "Devon Williams"
Message 4: Re: Lettuce to form heads
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 5: Re: Lettuce to form heads
from kris book
Message 6: Re: Lettuce to form heads
from kris book
Message 7: Re: Lettuce to form heads
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 8: Re: Lettuce to form heads
from Peggy & Emmett
Message 9: Tilapia, striped bass or crawfish?
from "Hurlin' Will"
| Message 1
Subject: Poem - September 11, 2001
From: "Pete and Diana Scholtens"
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 23:58:49 -0700
Thought some of you might appreciate this poem written by a British poet who
attends St. John's (West Ealing), an Anglican church in London.
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September 11th, 2001
What kind of story is this?
Is it the Tower of Babel?
Men said Come, let us build a city,
with a tower reaching to the heavens,
and make a name for ourselves.
>From all nations they came to build the city
thinking nothing was impossible.
Today, they said, we will go into this or that market,
carry on business and make money.
Oh? said James, You do not know what will happen today.
What is your life? You are a mist
that appears for a little while and then vanishes.
Is that it?
Or is it the beginning of Judgment?
Four aircraft of the Apocalypse
coming like thieves in the night,
the henchmen of some AntiChrist
making a few practice runs
to raze the new Jerusalem to dust.
And all of this permitted by the Lord,
for he has said
I brought you into a fertile land
but you defiled it.
You have as many gods as you have cities.
So flee for safety now without delay!
I am bringing disaster from the north,
even terrible destruction.
Where then are the gods you made for yourselves?
Let them come if they can save you.
Was it a slaughter of innocents?
Which of us is innocent? Eighteen people died
when a tower fell in Siloam, and Jesus asked
What, do you think they were greater sinners
than anyone in Jerusalem?
No, but I tell you, unless you repent
you will all likewise perish.
Is that it? Or is it the story of Job?
An honest man trying his best
when all of his hard-won security
is brought down in a sudden calamity
the hour a building fell on all his family.
His servants break the news to him by email.
Job watches, disbelieving, on TV
his life unravelling in front of him.
Weeping in the ruins of his city,
distraught, bewildered, desolate, enraged.
We rush to comfort Job, and so
we should be careful of our feelings,
not to confuse sympathy with
the substance of the lasting grief
of those who will be living from now on
on the legacy of an unthinkable change.
Of course it summons up
the ghosts of our own grievings, whether real
or from our worst imagining; but this
is suffering by proxy: it will have
no answers when God asks his dreadful questions
out of the whirlwind of Job’s despair.
Is that it?
Or is it Nehemiah,
who would not be defeated
while everyone else sat in their living rooms
watching the TV pundits play I told you so
and prove that nothing could be done?
Nehemiah went out to rebuild the walls
with courage and shrewd management,
armed guards on every corner
keeping watch against a new attack –
and out of so much ruin and despair
he forged a new community
stronger and wiser than it ever was before.
Is that it ?
It is all of these stories, and something more.
For after the accounting of the dead,
when the insurance claims are settled,
and the markets are back to their normal jittery selves,
we have all seen what Hell looks like. In future
we will avoid tall buildings, slowly move away
from cities, fly less often, view
our fellow passengers with circumspection,
seek refuge in more virtual reality and trade
within the safer evils of the Internet.
We listen doubtfully to our leaders’ words
as they struggle to fill their own shoes.
Four planes just flew out of Pandora’s box:
and when men armed just with razor blades can bring
the whole wide world up to a juddering halt
we know too much and care too little
to believe that this will be the last time.
The big game of Monopoly is over.
The losers’ tantrums have become too dangerous.
Even before our anger cools we see
the moral high ground is just
a pile of smoking rubble. Jesus kneels
and writes with his index finger in
the white dust of Manhattan:
Let him who is without sin
launch the first missile.
Who is our enemy
and what can we fight him with?
Where are our allies? Where was God
on September the Eleventh? He was begging
in old clothes in the subway
beneath the World Trade Centre.
He was homeless in Gaza,
imprisoned in Afghanistan,
running the gauntlet to her school in the Ardoyne,
starving in Somalia,
dying of Aids in an Angolan slum,
suffering everywhere in this fast-shrinking world;
and boarding a plane unwittingly in Boston,
heading for an appointment on the 100th floor.
When the time came he stretched out his arms once more to take
the dreadful impact that would pierce his side.
His last message on his fading cell phone
once more to ask forgiveness for them all, before
his body fell under the weight of so much evil.
We bring our cameras to his massive tomb
for any chance of resurrection, now we know
the kind of story that it really is –
united by this common enemy,
sin’s terrorism, that we never dreamed
could bring such devastation. This is war.
We line our weapons up: faith, hope, obedience,
prayer, forgiveness, mercy; the explosive power of love.
© Godfrey Rust 2001
May be freely reproduced for non-commercial purposes.
godfrey 'at' wordsout.co.uk
| Message 2
Subject: Re: Lettuce to form heads
From: Donald Bailey
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 09:18:28 -0400
Those varieties don't form heads as Paula explains. Try 'Nevada' or
'Great Lakes' if you want to grow a head of iceberg lettuce. I don't
particularly like them myself. I can have a beautiful head of lettuce
to sell but when the buyer breaks it up it could have a rotten core. I
attribute this to excess heat at the core and no ability to cool and
release moisture because of the tight leaves. The open leaf varieties
work better for us.
>
> | Message 8
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> Subject: Lettuce to form heads
> From: "Devon Williams"
> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 15:28:41 -0400
>
> ***ALERT! ALERT! ALERT!*****
> ***NOVICE QUESTION!!!***
>
> I am having a devil of a time getting my Romaine and Black Seeded Simpson
> lettuce to form heads. Can anybody tell me what the lettuce needs to do
> this???
>
> Thanks!
>
> Devon Williams
> Beer Belly Brothers Brewing
> Watkinsville, GA
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Donald S. Bailey
University of the Virgin Islands
Agriculture Experiment Station
Aquaculture Program
340-692-4038 - phone
340-692-4035 - fax
Visit our site at http://rps.uvi.edu/
| Message 3
Subject: Re: Lettuce to form heads
From: "Devon Williams"
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 11:38:51 -0400
Hi Adrianna and Paula. Thanks for the response. How cool does it need? My
setup is in a climate controlled room adjacent to my classroom. I have an
HPS lighting system. The temp is usually in the low to mid 70s (F).
Humidity is usually relatively low at or below 50%.
As far as the varieties, Just looking at the seed pack picture, they both
show heads
.the Black Seeded Simpson's heads look loose (in the image),
mine are WAY loose! THe Romaine (Parris Island Cos) has a very tight head
(in the image) and mine is pretty loose.
This isn't a huge deal, as I am not trying to sell "heads". In fact, I
don't sell it at all yet, I just give anything we grow to my school's
faculty. I have just never been able to get lettuce to form true heads.
D
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>Subject: Re: Lettuce to form heads
>From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
>Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 15:13:28 -0500
>
>Cool weather!
>
> > I am having a devil of a time getting my Romaine and Black Seeded
>Simpson
> > lettuce to form heads. Can anybody tell me what the lettuce needs
>to do
> > this???
>
>
>
>
>
>| Message 10
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>Subject: Re: Lettuce to form heads
>From: S & S Aqua Farm
>Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 22:08:27 -0500
>
>At 03:28 PM 09/20/2001 -0400, you wrote:
> >***ALERT! ALERT! ALERT!*****
> >***NOVICE QUESTION!!!***
> >
> >I am having a devil of a time getting my Romaine and Black Seeded Simpson
> >lettuce to form heads. Can anybody tell me what the lettuce needs to do
> >this???
> >
> >Thanks!
> >
> >Devon Williams
>
>Devon - are you certain the varieties you've chosen SHOULD form heads?
>Here
>are a couple of photos from the Johnny's Seeds site that show your BS
>Simpson, and a variety of romaine. I don't know exactly what result you're
>looking for, but the BS Simpson we've grown never truly formed a "head".
>We
>actually preferred that lettuce, as well as several varieties of Romaine
>lettuces because they remained loose and easy to cut.
>
>Black-seeded simpson:
>http://www.johnnyseeds.com/cgi-local/Minishopsql4.cgi?action=page&adver=othe
>r&item=LETT
>
>Medallion Romaine:
>http://www.johnnyseeds.com/cgi-local/Minishopsql4.cgi?action=page&adver=othe
>r&partnumber=2129P
>
>Paula
>S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
>Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
>
>
>
| Message 4
Subject: Re: Lettuce to form heads
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 10:52:53 -0500
Devon,
The cooler the better for lettuces - I would say they prefer
temperatures in the 60's
.but as others have pointed out, the variety
you select really does make a difference. I susggest you speak with
one of the sales reps in Johnny's commercial department for their
recommendations. They really are knowledgeable about what they sell.
> Hi Adrianna and Paula. Thanks for the response. How cool does it
need? My
> setup is in a climate controlled room adjacent to my classroom. I
have an
> HPS lighting system.
You can always harvest 1" above the base of 4-6" leaves and make up a
"baby lettuce mix". The plants will grow back 2-3 times before they
get worn out by the cut-and-come again process.
Adriana
| Message 5
Subject: Re: Lettuce to form heads
From: kris book
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 10:21:18 -0600
Devon,
How close are your lights to your plants?(14"-18" is usually best but,
watch for leaf burn and then move the lights a little farther away). The
only way that I had good success without the sun was when I used CO2
injection. Since you are at a school, try calling the local ice house and
ask them to donate dry ice(pure CO2). You just have to make a little
pedestal high up in your grow room with a very small fan and the CO2 will
fall down on your plants.
kris
| Message 6
Subject: Re: Lettuce to form heads
From: kris book
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 10:21:18 -0600
Devon,
How close are your lights to your plants?(14"-18" is usually best but,
watch for leaf burn and then move the lights a little farther away). The
only way that I had good success without the sun was when I used CO2
injection. Since you are at a school, try calling the local ice house and
ask them to donate dry ice(pure CO2). You just have to make a little
pedestal high up in your grow room with a very small fan and the CO2 will
fall down on your plants.
kris
| Message 7
Subject: Re: Lettuce to form heads
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 12:56:51 -0500
At 11:38 AM 09/21/2001 -0400, Devon wrote:
>
>Hi Adrianna and Paula. Thanks for the response. How cool does it need? My
>setup is in a climate controlled room adjacent to my classroom. I have an
>HPS lighting system. The temp is usually in the low to mid 70s (F).
>Humidity is usually relatively low at or below 50%.
>As far as the varieties, Just looking at the seed pack picture, they both
>show heads
.the Black Seeded Simpson's heads look loose (in the image),
>mine are WAY loose! THe Romaine (Parris Island Cos) has a very tight head
>(in the image) and mine is pretty loose.
Devon - we've grown the Parris Island Romaine and (my favorite) Sweet Gem
Romaine, which is a smooth leaved variety, both through the winter and
summer months. The cutting period through the summer is shorter due to the
heat difference. Then again, during the summer we have the greenhouse
vented to take advantage of as much natural air flow as possible, and that
combined with the evaporative cooling from the grow beds probably makes the
difference. Then again, we've never grown full "heads" of Romaine to sell,
but use the mature leaves in our salad mix. The plants will reach a point
where they start to turn bitter, but not until after several weeks of
harvesting. I've forgotten -- what is the maturity range for Romaine --
could it be that you're looking for results too soon?
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
| Message 8
Subject: Re: Lettuce to form heads
From: Peggy & Emmett
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 16:49:34 -0400
At 03:13 PM 9/20/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>Cool weather!
>
>> I am having a devil of a time getting my Romaine and Black Seeded
>Simpson
>> lettuce to form heads. Can anybody tell me what the lettuce needs
>to do
>> this???
>
>
>Black Seeded Simpson is a leaf lettuce.
.Emmett
| Message 9
Subject: Tilapia, striped bass or crawfish?
From: "Hurlin' Will"
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 18:45:15 -0700
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I'm a newbie, just trying to set up my first aquaponics experiment. I
have an (usually) unheated greenhouse, a couple 55 gallon food barrels,
and a green thumb. I have some vinyl gutter, rockwool, a pump and all
the plumping stuff. But when I went to buy fish, I come up empty handed.
I live near Seattle, and less than 2 miles from me is a grocery store
selling full grown tilapia straight from this big fish tank, but I can't
find a place that has fingerlings, or can special order them. Same with
striped bass.
I can go to local streams and fish out crayfish. They might like a 45 -
55 F winter instead of a 35-40 F winter. Is this a viable option? How
many would I need for a 50 gallon system with a couple dozen lettuce
plants?
What other options do I have?
Will
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