Aquaponics Digest - Fri 09/28/01
Message 1: RE: Pacu
from "Hurst, Steve ( China)"
Message 2: Re: AquapHonics
from Jim
Message 3: Re: AquapHonics
from "Gene Batten"
Message 4: Re: AquapHonics
from "gerry magnuson"
Message 5: Re: AquapHonics
from "Gene Batten"
Message 6: Re: AquapHonics
from "Lloyd R. Prentice"
Message 7: It feels good to be back
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 8: Re: It feels good to be back
from Mick
Message 9: RE: It feels good to be back
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 10: RE: Pacu beware
from pablo obiaga
Message 11: Re: It feels good to be back
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 12: Re: It feels good to be back
from "Robert Rogers"
Message 13: Re: It feels good to be back
from BMac1978
Message 14: French fillet beans and tilapia, was Re: Paula
from S & S Aqua Farm
| Message 1
Subject: RE: Pacu
From: "Hurst, Steve ( China)"
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 18:31:32 +0800
Thanks Steve,
At least I now know that they are available in the Phill 'at' s,
so I will resume my search on the web & phone with more Vigour !!
Steve H
-----Original Message-----
From: STEVE SPRING [mailto:]
Sent: 28 September 2001 11:46
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Subject: Re: Pacu
Hi Steve,
I'm not sure of the particulars. Bruce & his friend Dennis originated this
deal. I was told they came from a fish farm in the Phillipines. (I even had
to pay extra shipping because of this.)
I don't really have any info for you. I know Bruce is working right now (he
drives trucks
BIG TRUCKS!!) I'm sure that he will respond to you when he
reads this/these emails.
Lots of luck
.Steve (You might ask Bruce if it is o.k. to contact him off
list.)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hurst, Steve ( China)"
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 9:29 PM
Subject: RE: Pacu
Steve / Bruce,
Where oh where in the Philipinnes did they originate from ??
For the last 6 months I have been enviously reading all these posts
from you Guys ref Pacu, thinking I could never get Hold of them over
here ( in the Philipinne 'at' s ), and then this Bombshell turns up.
Nearest source I located was Thailand !
I 'at' m with you Steve,
I just gotta try these .
Really apreciate any info you could give here
( eternally Hopeful )
Steve H
SNIP
I just today took delivery of +/- 75 Pacu. I have these in a cage now with a
particular type of catfish (help me out Bruce
.I don't remember the name.)
Both of these fish are supposed to be tremendous "growers". I will keep the
list posted on these guys. Should be fun. The Pacu are Red Belly Pacu's.
Bruce and his friend Dennis (from Have-a-Hart) were able to negotiate a
price of $1.40/fish incl. shipping. These fish are farm bred in the
Phillipines. Contact Bruce, not me, if you are interested in the Pacu. But
pls., understand that this price fluctuates greatly depending upon
availability.
| Message 2
Subject: Re: AquapHonics
From: Jim
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 07:56:08 -0500
And to think when I first opened this thread I was expecting something
to do with terminology or the correct pronunciation or 'Tilapia' (Here
in MS, we pronounce it 'Nile Perch' : 2 syllables)
Jim
PS: delivered the last of my peppers to Memphis this morning
The way
my eyes were watering the guys joked about me having a hard time parting
with them, but it's really due to my ignoring the old rule about never
rubbing your eyes when handling hot peppers
gutierrez-lagatta wrote:
>
> Pssst!! Thomas.> The correct term is "aquaPOnics"
.(no "H").
>
> I suspect Ted and others are still hard at work on the underwater
> telephone for communicating with the fishies, but it's not quite ready
> to be unveiled yet. When it is completed it will be called the
> "AquaPhone" and users will be practicing "aquaphonics". But if you
> are only interested in growing fish and plants in an integrated system
> it is simply "aquaponics"
:>)
>
> Adriana
>
> >I have a start on the Aquaphonics Library at:
| Message 3
Subject: Re: AquapHonics
From: "Gene Batten"
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 09:12:11 -0400
Jim,
As a new person to this business of aquaponics, I am trying to learn as much
as possible. In your recent posting, you mentioned that you delivered some
peppers to Memphis. Do you mind if I ask what kind of peppers they were?
Were they peppers for eating or were they the little ornamental peppers that
are used like flowers? I am just trying to learn what others are producing
and selling successfully. Eventually, I want to get some type of aquaponics
operation going, but for now, I am doing research and trying to learn from
others. Thanks for anything you care to share.
.Gene Batten
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim"
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: AquapHonics
> PS: delivered the last of my peppers to Memphis this morning
The way
> my eyes were watering the guys joked about me having a hard time parting
> with them, but it's really due to my ignoring the old rule about never
> rubbing your eyes when handling hot peppers
>
>
| Message 4
Subject: Re: AquapHonics
From: "gerry magnuson"
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 03:12:49 -1000
howdy, gene
.may be better to go ask people what they need, and supply
them
.work from the market back to the greenhouse
.as you have time
| Message 5
Subject: Re: AquapHonics
From: "Gene Batten"
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 09:43:09 -0400
OK, that makes good sense. Where in the market would you suggest that I
start and how should I ask? Are you selling anything? If so, what and to
whom?
For now, I think I might prefer growing and selling flowers and ornamental
plants rather than food crops. So, I should go to florists and ask what they
need and want. I might also go to our farmer's market in Raleigh and see
what is being sold there. Any other suggestions?
.Gene Batten
----- Original Message -----
From: "gerry magnuson"
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: AquapHonics
> howdy, gene
.may be better to go ask people what they need, and supply
> them
.work from the market back to the greenhouse
.as you have time
>
| Message 6
Subject: Re: AquapHonics
From: "Lloyd R. Prentice"
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 11:38:29 -0400
Hi Jim,
Jim wrote:
> PS: delivered the last of my peppers to Memphis this morning
The way
> my eyes were watering the guys joked about me having a hard time parting
> with them, but it's really due to my ignoring the old rule about never
> rubbing your eyes when handling hot peppers
Reminds me of a party I attended a number of years ago. The hostess had a
decorative hot pepper plant on her table. One of the guests kept picking off
the bright red fire crackers and crushing them in his fingers. Later he went
into the bathroom from where, after a brief silence, we heard a
very
loud excruciating scream.
Best wishes,
Lloyd
| Message 7
Subject: It feels good to be back
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 11:13:26 -0500
Hi Everyone,
I've missed you guys/gals. It feels good to be back.almost like coming home. I hope everyone is doing well.
best wishes.mark
| Message 8
Subject: Re: It feels good to be back
From: Mick
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 11:25:18 -0500
Mark Allen Wells wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I've missed you guys/gals. It feels good to be back.> almost like coming home. I hope everyone is doing well.
>
> best wishes.> mark
Hiya sweetie!
Where the heck you been? These guys have mostly been talkin' politics
so I've been quiet.
You wanna talk aquaponics? My vegetables finally matured! I have
tomatoes, french fillet grean beans and zucchini (sp?) blooming. With
no insects in the greenhouse, I've been trying to pollinate the flowers
with a soft bristled make-up brush. Do you know a better way? Reply
offline if ya like.
Great to have ya back!
Mick
| Message 9
Subject: RE: It feels good to be back
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:16:50 -0500
>Where the heck you been? These guys have mostly been talkin' politics
so I've been quiet.
>With no insects in the greenhouse, I've been trying to pollinate the
flowers
with a soft bristled make-up brush. Do you know a better way?
-----
Hi Mick,
How's my Texas blues buddy? I've been ok. I just needed to work on
a few things (like building some rabbit cages) and regain my focus
or so I thought. There were a few times when some of my posts
were drifting off topic and I will be the first to admit, I can be
too deep sometimes. But in retrospect, I think I was just listening
to that little voice inside me that agreed with Mike about things
happening in the world. I write with a lot of emotion sometimes
and while it makes sense to ME at the time, I can see now it doesn't
always make sense to others and it taught me a lot about choosing my words.
In a post I wrote before I left and before Sept. 11, I had said that I
thought God was calling His army together. Arlos read that different
than I meant it at the time. We've stayed in touch
.he understands now
that I wasn't referring to violence or armies in the usual sense
.but
everyone coming together in their own way to fight the forces in this
world (both foreign AND domestic) that have created this nightmare.
On sept. 11th, I realized that little voice that was warning me and
had me thinking about many things was right all along and a lot of
my writing was reflecting those thoughts and feelings. Ok
.now that
that is off my chest
.LOL>
your question.
Mick you should have posted this to the group. I recall a similar question
when I first started. There are many here with much more experience
with this subject than myself
.I don't have a greenhouse yet. OK all you
pollinating pros out there
.help the lady out here.
take care,
mark
| Message 10
Subject: RE: Pacu beware
From: pablo obiaga
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 15:34:29 -0300
Hi all:
I have dessestimated Pac=FA for temperature reasons.
This info may be helpful for others. Pac=FA is rather sensible to=
temperature.
Down here LAtitud 30-35 I found outfor sure that it migrates inland=
northwards for the winter towarsd warmer waters.
An experiment carried in Latitude 29 in Argentina obtained 10% of deaths at=
15=BACentigrate in winter.
So those who live in cold to subtropical climates make sure you have some=
reliable heating or your greenhouse will avoid dropdowns bellow 15=BAC.=
Perhaps 20=BAC to be safe.
As a starter I can't guarantee that performance so I'll start off with=
rhamdia quelen (bagre negro) wich some translate as catfish but is not.=
This fella lives arrownd all year long so a green house would only emproove=
its performance. It doesn't look as fancy as Pac=FA nor as massive but can=
relieve me from excesive concearn about an expensive variable.
Recent investigation on nutrition at the national University has come up=
with convertion rates for rhamdia of almost 1:1 at 36% of protein and 14%=
lipids 330 kcal/gram ME, provided 1% of the whole is linolenic fatty =E1cid
(not linoleic) (18:3n3). The growth is 5,3% of live weight per day fedd 6%=
live weight per day.
Hope this may help,
Pablo
At 18:31 28/09/01 +0800, you wrote:
>Thanks Steve,
> At least I now know that they are available in the Phill 'at' s,
> so I will resume my search on the web & phone with more Vigour !!
>
>Steve H
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: STEVE SPRING [mailto:]
>Sent: 28 September 2001 11:46
>To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>Subject: Re: Pacu
>
>
>Hi Steve,
>
>I'm not sure of the particulars. Bruce & his friend Dennis originated this
>deal. I was told they came from a fish farm in the Phillipines. (I even had
>to pay extra shipping because of this.)
>
>I don't really have any info for you. I know Bruce is working right now (he
>drives trucks
BIG TRUCKS!!) I'm sure that he will respond to you when he
>reads this/these emails.
>
>Lots of luck
.Steve (You might ask Bruce if it is o.k. to contact him=
off
>list.)
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Hurst, Steve ( China)"
>
>Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 9:29 PM
>Subject: RE: Pacu
>
>
>Steve / Bruce,
> Where oh where in the Philipinnes did they originate from ??
>
>For the last 6 months I have been enviously reading all these posts
>from you Guys ref Pacu, thinking I could never get Hold of them over
>here ( in the Philipinne 'at' s ), and then this Bombshell turns up.
>Nearest source I located was Thailand !
>
>I 'at' m with you Steve,
> I just gotta try these .>
>Really apreciate any info you could give here
>
>( eternally Hopeful )
>Steve H
>
>
>SNIP
>I just today took delivery of +/- 75 Pacu. I have these in a cage now with=
a
>particular type of catfish (help me out Bruce
.I don't remember the name.)
>Both of these fish are supposed to be tremendous "growers". I will keep the
>list posted on these guys. Should be fun. The Pacu are Red Belly Pacu's.
>
>Bruce and his friend Dennis (from Have-a-Hart) were able to negotiate a
>price of $1.40/fish incl. shipping. These fish are farm bred in the
>Phillipines. Contact Bruce, not me, if you are interested in the Pacu. But
>pls., understand that this price fluctuates greatly depending upon
>availability.
>
>
>
| Message 11
Subject: Re: It feels good to be back
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 14:36:54 -0500
Hi Mick,
www.hydro-gardens.com sells a tomatoe pollinator. For larger scale
operations it is customary to use bumblebees. Some people "flick"
their plants to disperse the pollen. I've often wondered if fans or
leaf blowers might be effective - has anybody tried this?
Adriana
> With
> no insects in the greenhouse, I've been trying to pollinate the
flowers
> with a soft bristled make-up brush. Do you know a better way?
Reply
> offline if ya like.
| Message 12
Subject: Re: It feels good to be back
From: "Robert Rogers"
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 18:06:33 -0400
Some growers use an electric toothbrush with the bristles removed to vibrate
the flower clusters, once a day when they first open, for a couple of days.
----- Original Message -----
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: It feels good to be back
> Hi Mick,
> www.hydro-gardens.com sells a tomatoe pollinator. For larger scale
> operations it is customary to use bumblebees. Some people "flick"
> their plants to disperse the pollen. I've often wondered if fans or
> leaf blowers might be effective - has anybody tried this?
>
> Adriana
>
> > With
> > no insects in the greenhouse, I've been trying to pollinate the
> flowers
> > with a soft bristled make-up brush. Do you know a better way?
> Reply
> > offline if ya like.
>
>
>
| Message 13
Subject: Re: It feels good to be back
From: BMac1978
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 20:54:07 EDT
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In a message dated 9/28/2001 11:26:36 AM Central Daylight Time,
writes:
> You wanna talk aquaponics? My vegetables finally matured! I have
> tomatoes, french fillet grean beans and zucchini (sp?) blooming. With
> no insects in the greenhouse, I've been trying to pollinate the flowers
> with a soft bristled make-up brush. Do you know a better way? Reply
> offline if ya like.
>
> Great to have ya back!
> Mick
>
Hey, please don't do all the talkin off line, we want to hear to!! There are
probably a lot of people that have been keeping quiet lately in the hopes of
hearing some aquaponics stuff! I know I certainly would like to hear.
Thanks!
Dawn
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In a message dated 9/28/2001 11:26:36 AM Central Daylight Time,
writes:
You wanna talk aquaponics? My vegetables finally
matured! I have
tomatoes, french fillet grean beans and zucchini (sp?) blooming. With
no insects in the greenhouse, I've been trying to pollinate the flowers
with a soft bristled make-up brush. Do you know a better way? Reply
offline if ya like.
Great to have ya back!
Mick
Hey, please don't do all the talkin off line, we want to hear to!! There are probably
a lot of people that have been keeping quiet lately in the hopes of hearing some aquaponics
stuff! I know I certainly would like to hear.
Thanks!
Dawn
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| Message 14
Subject: French fillet beans and tilapia, was Re: Paula
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 20:29:38 -0500
At 01:25 PM 09/27/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>Those french split beans you recommended are just great! They are
>blooming like mad and are attempting to take over the plant tray.
>
>All my vegetables are blooming! yay! We finally recovered from the
>raccoon raid and if the darn cold weather doesn't get here first, we
>might actually harvest some vegetables. I can't wait! We've already
>had a fish fry and the tilapia taste better than any fish I've ever
>eaten with the exception of salmon.
>Thanks again for your help about the green beans.
>Mick
My pleasure. It was always interesting to introduce something new at the
Farmers Market here. The french fillet beans were different. Here in the
rural midwest, everyone grew "standard" green beans - Blue Lake mostly.
Those who were looking to put up 50-60 quarts of beans for the winter still
looked for the vendor who would sell bushel quantities fairly cheap, but we
had a number of people who were initially interested in the "gourmet" beans
we offered. We sampled small quantities for the first couple of weeks, then
had no problem selling everything we bought. For some it was an opportunity
to serve something usually found in upscale restaurants, but for others it
was the fact that they could be steamed and served without splitting. Seems
like everything you can do to make the preparation easier is worth money
these days.
As for the tilapia, I think you'll find their flavor superb in most
variations of preparation. From what we've tried, they lend themselves to
whatever seasonings you should choose. Can't remember where the comment
first came from, but smoked tilapia has been termed "ambrosia".
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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