Aquaponics Digest - Sat 09/29/01
Message 1: Ethanol from Coal
from "TGTX"
Message 2: Re: French fillet beans and tilapia, was Re: Paula
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 3: Tomatoe Pollinator and Chubby Checker
from Mick
Message 4: Re: Pacu beware
from Troa9 'at' aol.com
Message 5: Re: Pacu beware
from pablo obiaga
Message 6: additional address
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 7: Re: Pacu
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 8: Re:
from kris book
Message 9: Re:
from Andrei Calciu
Message 10: Re:
from kris book
Message 11: Re: Re:
from "Robert Rogers"
Message 12: Re: questions about the waste oil burners
from "Brent Bingham"
Message 13: Re: Tomatoe Pollinator and Chubby Checker
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 14: Re: Tomatoe Pollinator and Chubby Checker
from Peggy & Emmett
Message 15: Re: Tomatoe Pollinator and Chubby Checker
from Mick
Message 16: Re: Tomatoe Pollinator and Chubby Checker
from Peggy & Emmett
Message 17: Re: Tomatoe Pollinator and Chubby Checker
from kris book
Message 18: Re: Tomatoe Pollinator and Chubby Checker
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
| Message 1
Subject: Ethanol from Coal
From: "TGTX"
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 16:53:37 -0500
Just an interesting article for y'all.
No, it's not corn or barley: Project would make ethanol from coal
Friday, September 21, 2001
By Dale Wetzel, Associated Press
BISMARCK, N.D. - Rather than corn or barley, North Dakota's newest ethanol
project might rely on coal.
Dakota Gasification Co., which runs the Great Plains synthetic fuels plant
near Beulah, N.D., has applied for state research money to study whether
lignite, a type of coal, can be used profitably to make ethanol. The process
would use bacteria to convert lignite to ethanol, a widely used fuel
additive. Ethanol increases the energy value of gasoline and helps it to
burn more cleanly.
Ted Aulich, a process chemist at the Energy and Environmental Research
Center at the University of North Dakota, said coal-to-ethanol research has
been going on for years. "Just going by what I've seen in some of the
technical literature, it sounds like these guys are pretty convinced it is
commercially viable," Aulich said. "I don't see any reason why it can't be."
Most U.S. ethanol plants process corn or other agricultural products. None
of the nation's 57 ethanol plants rely on coal, according to the Renewable
Fuels Association, a Washington, D.C.-based organization that promotes
ethanol.
The method for converting coal to ethanol relies on technology developed by
Bioengineering Resources Inc. of Fayetteville, Ark. The company has licensed
the technology to an Ohio firm that hopes to work with Dakota Gas in the
project. "The idea is there. The potential is there," said Daryl Hill, a
Dakota Gas spokesman. "Now what we have to do is see if it's going to work."
Dakota Gas and its partner, Metropolitan Energy Systems Inc. of Cincinnati,
have applied for $5 million in state aid. The plan calls for expanding the
Great Plains plant to produce ethanol. Developers say the project would
create 100 new permanent jobs, use 500,000 tons of coal each year, and
manufacture 30 million gallons of ethanol annually.
Nationally, the ethanol industry is in the process of expanding. Thirteen
plants are under construction nationwide, the Renewable Fuels Association
said. Most ethanol plants being planned would continue manufacturing ethanol
from corn, but others contemplate using wood chips, sugar cane fiber, and
rice straw.
The California Energy Commission, in a study published in August, estimated
that national ethanol production will double by 2005 to more than 4.4
billion gallons annually.
Market demand for ethanol has been rising due to high oil prices, clean-air
regulations, and the need for a fuel additive to replace MTBE, or methyl
tertiary butyl ether. MTBE helps gasoline to burn more cleanly, but some say
the petroleum-based chemical tends to leak from fuel storage tanks into
water supplies.
California, the nation's largest gasoline market, is phasing out MTBE, and
ethanol producers are hoping to fill the void.
Copyright 2001, Associated Press
All Rights Reserved
| Message 2
Subject: Re: French fillet beans and tilapia, was Re: Paula
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 04:55:09 -0500
Paula,
What variety of the French filet beans are you growing and what price
are yougetting at the farmers market?
> My pleasure. It was always interesting to introduce something new
at the
> Farmers Market here. The french fillet beans were different.
Adriana
| Message 3
Subject: Tomatoe Pollinator and Chubby Checker
From: Mick
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 07:28:20 -0500
Adriana,
I called hydro-gardens and ordered their pollinator. At $14.95, it
seemed like a pretty inexpensive gadget. Thanks for the tip!
When I was in school, back when dirt was young, they taught that insects
pollinated plants by carrying the pollen from plant to plant on the tiny
hairs of their legs. I was trying to imitate that with the soft
bristled brush.
Now, the thinking is that all the plants need is a wee shake a couple of
times a day? All vegetables?
I'll do it
I'll have to play some good music for them to dance to.
"Good morning, tomatoes! Here's your morning shake. Who wants to
dance?" shake shake shake.
And on that tangent, does anyone remember the study that came out late
sixties/early seventies that talked about the effect of music on plant
growth? If memory serves, the plants were healthier when classical
music was played in the greenhouse. The researchers reported that
plants hated rock and roll.
Pleasant day to one and all,
Mick
| Message 4
Subject: Re: Pacu beware
From: Troa9 'at' aol.com
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 10:06:32 EDT
Pablo mentioned,,,,"bagre negro",,as a tropical fish,,,I wonder if anyone
(or Pablo)
knows where fingerlings can be obtained ? Jason
| Message 5
Subject: Re: Pacu beware
From: pablo obiaga
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 13:32:53 -0300
Jason:
Bagre Negro (rhamdia quelen) is not a tropical fish. I live in Uruguay=
temperate to subtropical. Its native to the Southern River Plate Bassin.=
Our major problem for acuaculture is we are too hot for trout too cold for=
Pac=FA or Tilapia in outdoor rearing. That is why I chose Bagre to start my=
acuaponic adventure. No temperature concearns. Never the less I don't=
think Bagre would resent tropical weather given it has to go throu very hot=
sumers (35 40=BAC), hot like soup still waters with little O2. Its meat is=
very white, firm and soft thou bony. I've never seen a Bagre over 3 pounds=
in the wild and don't know how big it gets well fedd in captiviy.
In rural areas is very popular in cacerole, cooked with skin, cut in=
transversal servings.
In Uruguay there are too sources for fry. The main one is INAPE (NAtional=
Institute of Fishery(Pesca). Its the government's fishery control=
organization but a promotion and investigation center too.
I came to know that it has been exported to USA, so perhaps there is a=
nearer source for you if you are located there. If there isn't and you are=
committed to bagre I can contact you with these people by e-mail. They=
speak english.
Pablo
At 10:06 29/09/01 EDT, you wrote:
> Pablo mentioned,,,,"bagre negro",,as a tropical fish,,,I wonder if anyone=
=20
>(or Pablo)
>knows where fingerlings can be obtained ? Jason
>
>
| Message 6
Subject: additional address
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 11:32:01 -0500
Hi gang,
I just reactivated my hotmail account so if any of you wish to send me email
on a personal/professional basis pls. do so 'at' careplus22.
This way, I don't have to sort through tons of spam and, I'm sorry to say,
patriotic mail with everyone basically saying the same thing.
Please address all future queries concerning Pacu, catfish & Bluegills to
the above address. This will also lessen the burden on Paula's list.
Besides this, I would love to hear from you because I can also access this
email from work. This will prevent me from being so delinquent in replying
to some of you because before I was limited to my spare time at home.
Thanks
.Steve
| Message 7
Subject: Re: Pacu
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 11:38:56 -0500
best of luck in finding the Pacu.
Steve (socially insensitive)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hurst, Steve ( China)"
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 5:31 AM
Subject: RE: Pacu
Thanks Steve,
At least I now know that they are available in the Phill 'at' s,
so I will resume my search on the web & phone with more Vigour !!
Steve H
-----Original Message-----
From: STEVE SPRING [mailto:]
Sent: 28 September 2001 11:46
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Subject: Re: Pacu
Hi Steve,
I'm not sure of the particulars. Bruce & his friend Dennis originated this
deal. I was told they came from a fish farm in the Phillipines. (I even had
to pay extra shipping because of this.)
I don't really have any info for you. I know Bruce is working right now (he
drives trucks
BIG TRUCKS!!) I'm sure that he will respond to you when he
reads this/these emails.
Lots of luck
.Steve (You might ask Bruce if it is o.k. to contact him off
list.)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hurst, Steve ( China)"
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 9:29 PM
Subject: RE: Pacu
Steve / Bruce,
Where oh where in the Philipinnes did they originate from ??
For the last 6 months I have been enviously reading all these posts
from you Guys ref Pacu, thinking I could never get Hold of them over
here ( in the Philipinne 'at' s ), and then this Bombshell turns up.
Nearest source I located was Thailand !
I 'at' m with you Steve,
I just gotta try these .
Really apreciate any info you could give here
( eternally Hopeful )
Steve H
SNIP
I just today took delivery of +/- 75 Pacu. I have these in a cage now with a
particular type of catfish (help me out Bruce
.I don't remember the name.)
Both of these fish are supposed to be tremendous "growers". I will keep the
list posted on these guys. Should be fun. The Pacu are Red Belly Pacu's.
Bruce and his friend Dennis (from Have-a-Hart) were able to negotiate a
price of $1.40/fish incl. shipping. These fish are farm bred in the
Phillipines. Contact Bruce, not me, if you are interested in the Pacu. But
pls., understand that this price fluctuates greatly depending upon
availability.
| Message 8
Subject: Re:
From: kris book
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 10:55:32 -0600
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On Sat, 29 Sep 2001 07:25:00 -0700 "Images in Stone Paul RW Anthony"
writes:
NOT A JOKE PLEASE READ!
ONCE YOU HAVE READ THIS PLEASE FORWARD TO ALL YOU KNOW.
This is from Schwab corporate headquarters - so it's no joke. Very scary.
Be careful - Just when you thought you were safe, now we have the
following to deal with
.please read, it definitely is a serious threat
to our lives and health.
This is an alert about a virus in the original sense of the word
.one
that affects your body, not your hard drive.
There have been 23 confirmed cases of people attacked by the Klingerman
Virus, a virus that arrives in your real mailbox, not your e-mail in box.
Someone has been mailing large blue envelopes, seemingly at random, to
people inside the US. On the front of the envelope in bold black letters
is
printed, "A gift for you from the Klingerman Foundation."
When the envelopes are opened, there is a small sponge sealed in plastic.
This sponge carries what has come to be known as the Klingerman Virus.
Public health officials state that this is a strain of virus they have
not
previously encountered.
When asked for comment, Florida police Sergeant Stetson said, "We are
working with the CDC and the USPS, but have so far been unable to track
down the origins of these letters. The return addresses have all been
different, and we are certain a re-mailing service is being used, making
our jobs
that much more difficult."
Those who have come in contact with the Klingerman Virus have been
hospitalized with severe dysentery. So far seven of the victims have
died.
There is no legitimate Klingerman Foundation mailing unsolicited gifts.
If you receive an oversized blue envelope in the mail marked "A gift from
the Klingerman foundation." DO NOT open it. Place it in a strong plastic
bag or
container and call the police immediately.
This "gift" is one you definitely do not want to open.
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| Message 9
Subject: Re:
From: Andrei Calciu
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 13:19:47 -0400
Kris,
now Charles Schwab the online broker is the authority about health related
viruses? How gullible are you? Do you want to buy a bridge in New York? I
own one that connects Brooklyn with the Manhattan Island. What do you say?
-_______________
Andrei D. Calciu (VA-4270)
NEC America, Inc.
14040 Park Center Dr.
Herndon, VA 20171-3227
Voice: 703-834-4273
Fax: 703-787-6613
This message and any attachment are confidential. If you are not the
intended recipient, please telephone or email the sender and delete the
message and any attachment from your system. If you are not the intended
recipient you must not copy this message or attachment or disclose the
contents to any other person.
| Message 10
Subject: Re:
From: kris book
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 11:57:44 -0600
I am sorry for that post. It came from my best friend in California and I
never questioned it authenticity. I just received notice that this crap
has been floating around for some time but, this is the first time I've
seen it. I don't like to admit it but, I guess my paranoia is showing.
kris
On Sat, 29 Sep 2001 13:19:47 -0400 Andrei Calciu writes:
>
> Kris,
>
> now Charles Schwab the online broker is the authority about health
> related
> viruses? How gullible are you? Do you want to buy a bridge in New
> York? I
> own one that connects Brooklyn with the Manhattan Island. What do
> you say?
>
> -_______________
> Andrei D. Calciu (VA-4270)
> NEC America, Inc.
> 14040 Park Center Dr.
> Herndon, VA 20171-3227
>
> Voice: 703-834-4273
> Fax: 703-787-6613
>
> This message and any attachment are confidential. If you are not
> the
> intended recipient, please telephone or email the sender and delete
> the
> message and any attachment from your system. If you are not the
> intended
> recipient you must not copy this message or attachment or disclose
> the
> contents to any other person.
>
>
>
| Message 11
Subject: Re: Re:
From: "Robert Rogers"
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 14:07:08 -0400
go to
www.cdc.gov/ncidod/klingerman_hoax.htm
we need to keep our wits about us
Bob
| Message 12
Subject: Re: questions about the waste oil burners
From: "Brent Bingham"
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 12:00:11 -0700
Did you ever get an answer?
Brent
----- Original Message -----
From: "bennett"
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 5:55 PM
Subject: questions about the waste oil burners
> Do they smoke much?
> Do they smell much?
> Are they dirty?
> Does the heat leave a greasy around the building it's heating?
> About how often do they need refilled?
> About how many gallons of oil would one use to say
.heat a 26x96
greenhouse
> to 50 deg. when the outside temp. averages 20 deg.? Well, that's just an
> example. If you can give some other example, I'd appreciate it.
> About how much does one of these stoves cost?
> Are they available as "whole house furnace" type units?
> Are they available as small, single room units?
> Does Clean Burn have a web site?
>
> Thanks for any info you can provide. The cost of heating is the thing
that
> has held me up from setting up my indoor fish farm.
>
>
| Message 13
Subject: Re: Tomatoe Pollinator and Chubby Checker
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 16:00:27 -0500
No, Mick, fortunately all vegetables do not need polination
assistance. Tomatoes and strawberries definitely need outside help.
But for example there are specific varieties of cucumbers which do
not. Sometimes it is noted in the seed catalog. If it's not I
suspect that the seed supplier could tell you which do and which
don't.
> Now, the thinking is that all the plants need is a wee shake a
couple of
> times a day? All vegetables?
All of my plants do well listening to National Public Radio:>).> And on that tangent, does anyone remember the study that came out
late
> sixties/early seventies that talked about the effect of music on
plant
> growth?
Happy fall growing to y'all. (Can you tell I'm becoming an Alabamian?
:.)?)
Adriana
| Message 14
Subject: Re: Tomatoe Pollinator and Chubby Checker
From: Peggy & Emmett
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 19:04:57 -0400
At 04:00 PM 9/29/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Happy fall growing to y'all. (Can you tell I'm becoming an Alabamian?
>:.)?)
>
>Adriana
>
>
Let's be correct in the use of 'Southern', Adriana. The expression y'all
is singular. I believe the correct expression would be (and anyone with
an opinion on this please feel free to jump in): Happy fall growing to all
y'all.
Y'all take care.
All y'all take care too.
Emmett
| Message 15
Subject: Re: Tomatoe Pollinator and Chubby Checker
From: Mick
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 18:13:21 -0500
>
> Happy fall growing to y'all. (Can you tell I'm becoming an Alabamian?
> :.)?)
>
> Adriana
You're doing fine! Learn to call folks "Sugar or hon" and the plural of
y'all is
. ALL Y'ALL. You also need to develop a genteel manner of
spitting after you say the word "Yankee". :)
Mick
| Message 16
Subject: Re: Tomatoe Pollinator and Chubby Checker
From: Peggy & Emmett
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 19:19:27 -0400
At 07:28 AM 9/29/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>I called hydro-gardens and ordered their pollinator. At $14.95, it
>seemed like a pretty inexpensive gadget. Thanks for the tip!
>
>"Good morning, tomatoes! Here's your morning shake. Who wants to
>dance?" shake shake shake.
>
>Pleasant day to one and all,
>Mick
>
The Hydro-Gardens pollinator is excellant. But no morning shaking. Let
them alone untill mid-day or later when the relative humidity is lower.
Touch the pollinator to the panicle and not the flowers. Tomatoes and
peppers are primarily wind pollinated. Leaf blowers can be used. As your
operation becomes bigger, bees cost of labor becomes less than yours.
Somewhere from the recesses of my brain the number 3000 sq. ft of
greenhouse is the most that you can pollinate effectively. Beyond that
the bees take over.
Emmett
| Message 17
Subject: Re: Tomatoe Pollinator and Chubby Checker
From: kris book
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 16:40:16 -0600
Adriana,
You sound just like a southern belle. LOL Smart too.
kris
On Sat, 29 Sep 2001 16:00:27 -0500 "gutierrez-lagatta"
writes:
> No, Mick, fortunately all vegetables do not need polination
> assistance. Tomatoes and strawberries definitely need outside
> help.
> But for example there are specific varieties of cucumbers which do
> not. Sometimes it is noted in the seed catalog. If it's not I
> suspect that the seed supplier could tell you which do and which
> don't.
> > Now, the thinking is that all the plants need is a wee shake a
> couple of
> > times a day? All vegetables?
>
> All of my plants do well listening to National Public Radio:>).> > And on that tangent, does anyone remember the study that came out
> late
> > sixties/early seventies that talked about the effect of music on
> plant
> > growth?
>
> Happy fall growing to y'all. (Can you tell I'm becoming an
> Alabamian?
> :.)?)
>
> Adriana
>
>
| Message 18
Subject: Re: Tomatoe Pollinator and Chubby Checker
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 19:00:46 -0500
Thank you Emmett for the linguistic guidance. I hate it when I make
one of them fo' paws.
Adriana
> Let's be correct in the use of 'Southern', Adriana. The expression
y'all
> is singular. I believe the correct expression would be (and anyone
with
> an opinion on this please feel free to jump in): Happy fall growing
to all
> y'all.
|
