Aquaponics Digest - Wed 10/03/01
Message 1: Re: Anthrax
from Kathyann Natkie
Message 2: Where are you located?
from "Gene Batten"
Message 3: Pod order
from Mick
Message 4: Pots
from Mick
Message 5: Re: Pod order
from Andrei Calciu
Message 6: Fish food
from "Hurlin' Will"
Message 7: RE: Pacu and Paroon shark
from "Hurlin' Will"
Message 8: RE: Pacu and Paroon shark
from "Chris Jeppesen"
Message 9: Re: Fish food
from "gerry magnuson"
Message 10: Re: French fillet beans and tilapia, was Re: Paula
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 11: Re: Pacu and Paroon shark
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 12: Re: Fish food
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 13: Kang kong
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 14: Blasted!!
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 15: Re: Kang kong
from Mick
Message 16: Re: Kang kong
from "gerry magnuson"
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Subject: Re: Anthrax
From: Kathyann Natkie
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 07:26:32 -0400
Bruce Schreiber wrote:
>
> Hi Mark because weaponized Anthrax is available to the terrorists from
> the Kazakhstan lab.testing grounds we can be sure that it will be used
> against us Anthrax wounds look burn like,fester and refuse to heal, It
> might be wise to get a supply of penicillin G and or Tetracycline from a
> feed store just in case and get some syringes and needles to
> Bruce
Cipro is the one on the news. It has been reserved (doctors requested
not to use it so it will have maximum impact with minimum dose). Course
it is god-awful-expensive. Trouble is its shelf life and misuse could
breed buggies we don't want around either.
Homeopathic Physicians use anthrax toxin for carbuncles so that would be
available itself and would be useful in humans or livestock. Also
Arsenicum recommended as excellent treatment and common. Since it is
also used in flu it is easy to get. Herbally, Echinacea is the key. Any
open wound can be helped with colloidal silver (physicians use it for
strep throat in their own kids).
My pharmacist mother went to a training at American Pharmaceutical
Association Convention last year. They were actively stockpiling for
outbreaks of Smallpox or Anthrax and discussion was on how to handle the
distribution and stocking for individual hospitals. Course, she only
went because it was so poorly attended it looked bad for the presenter
(she was a fellow presenter and sympathetic). Most didn't get the info
at all.
Peace,
Kathyann
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Subject: Where are you located?
From: "Gene Batten"
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 08:37:56 -0400
During the past month or so that I have been on this list I have enjoyed the
"conversations" and learned much. I have also come to realize that there are
list members all over the world and some in my own "backyard".
Would it be appropriate to ask list members to identify their locations? I
am just curious about who is on the list and where they are located. There
is a real possibility that there are several list members within a
relatively close distance from me, and if so, I might like to visit them and
see their operations.
I live in east central North Carolina about 25 miles south of Raleigh, near
Angier. "Blue Ribbon Bert" who just won Best Of Show at the Virginia State
Fair for his Tilapia lives about 200 miles north of me in eastern Virginia.
He has invited me to drop in one day next week to see his operation, and I
am looking forward to the visit.
I am not suggesting that we identify our location with each posting to the
list. What I am suggesting is just a one time posting saying something like:
"I am John and I am located in eastern NC near Fishville."
One thought just occurred to me, is there a "roster" of the list members
that shows their locations? If there is, someone let me know where to find
it. I may have a neighbor on this list and not even know it.
....Curious Gene
Angier, N.C.
(pronounced Ann-ger)
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Subject: Pod order
From: Mick
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 08:26:21 -0500
We're getting ready to add our second pod to the greenhouse in the next
two weeks. Has the group established a means to order such large items
and get a "group rate"?
Tom and Paula were going to be able to get wholesale prices for us. At
least that's what I thought I read somewhere. True? or I haven't had my
morning coffee yet.
I'll be buying one poly tank. 8' diam. (holds about 800 gals)
one plant tray. 4'x8'x12"
If anyone else is getting ready to purchase these items, would it help
"the cause" if we ordered thru Tom and Paula and pursued the group
buying concept?
My biggest concern is shipping costs. With our last tank order, the
shipping was almost half the cost of the tank. It seems to me that
group ordering might double the shipping cost.
Mick
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Subject: Pots
From: Mick
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 08:48:03 -0500
The leaf lettuce variety I tried in my plant tray doesn't like the
medium. I have two trays of seedlings looking for a place to grow. I
fed some of the seedlings to the tilapia and I'm potting the rest in
empty one gallon milk or orange juice containers. These work quite well
for the lettuce and, if you cut the top off and leave the handle, you
can hang them and save space.
Anyone else have an idea for free pots. The empty milk jugs and orange
juice containers were headed to the trash, so I consider them free. :)
I had more french fillet green bean seedlings than I had room for in the
plant tray. I'm feeding the extra to the tilapia. They eat the plant,
root and all. I know tomatoe plants are in the nightshade family and
shouldn't be fed to the fish. Any other vegetable plants I should avoid
feeding to the fish when the plant has finished producing crop?
God, I love my greenhouse.
Mick
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Subject: Re: Pod order
From: Andrei Calciu
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 09:29:27 -0400
The only way to save is to buy a bunch of them yourself and then install
them as you need them. This way you have some level of discount, plus you
only pay once for shipping. It will kill your savings account, though :-)
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Andrei D. Calciu (VA-4270)
NEC America, Inc.
14040 Park Center Dr.
Herndon, VA 20171-3227
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aquaponics-request@t Subject: Pod order
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10/03/01 09:26 AM
Please respond to
aquaponics
We're getting ready to add our second pod to the greenhouse in the next
two weeks. Has the group established a means to order such large items
and get a "group rate"?
Tom and Paula were going to be able to get wholesale prices for us. At
least that's what I thought I read somewhere. True? or I haven't had my
morning coffee yet.
I'll be buying one poly tank. 8' diam. (holds about 800 gals)
one plant tray. 4'x8'x12"
If anyone else is getting ready to purchase these items, would it help
"the cause" if we ordered thru Tom and Paula and pursued the group
buying concept?
My biggest concern is shipping costs. With our last tank order, the
shipping was almost half the cost of the tank. It seems to me that
group ordering might double the shipping cost.
Mick
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Subject: Fish food
From: "Hurlin' Will"
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 08:08:19 -0700
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I'm getting some stripped bass and some crayfish to start up my small
system, but before I get them, what should I have on hand to feed them?
I saw something in Mother Earth News once that was a light bulb, a
vacuum cleaner and a pantyhose contraption. The person that built it
would turn it on at night, and bugs attracted to the light would get
sucked into the pantyhose. In the morning the power was shut off, and
the pile of bugs were dumped into the chicken coop for feed. Would
something like this work for cheap feed for fish?
Is there any worries about feeding crayfish scraps from dinner?
Will
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Subject: RE: Pacu and Paroon shark
From: "Hurlin' Will"
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 08:08:19 -0700
How do you monitor total ammonia, nitrates and nitrates?
Will
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aquaponics-request@townsqr.com
> [mailto:aquaponics-request@townsqr.com] On Behalf Of Chris Jeppesen
> STEVE SPRING
> I would suggest that your increases in feed are slow and
> monitored along with close monitoring of water quality. I
> have had to step back on total feed because of total ammonia
> and nitrates.
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Subject: RE: Pacu and Paroon shark
From: "Chris Jeppesen"
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 09:23:11 -0700
Will
I just use a cheap kit from the pet store and the the state of Utah checks my water about 2 X a
year. I have a LaMotte kit for Oxygen and maybe should up grade for ammonia and nitrite but
keep defering that expence.
Chris
>How do you monitor total ammonia, nitrates and nitrates?
>
>Will
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Subject: Re: Fish food
From: "gerry magnuson"
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 06:27:11 -1000
hw, you did not mention if you have a pond or fishtank or whatever...I read
where one should introduce the crayfish first to get established, then the
bass...a product called 'agri-lite' has units that use a black light to
attract insects, and a suction fan to collec such in any type of container,
first used in tobacco, we used it with our cotton fields with great success,
burlap bags full each day, using a car battery type in the field...some
units have zappers that shock the insects...doubt if much goes on in
winter...cowboy
>From: "Hurlin' Will"
>Reply-To: aquaponics@townsqr.com
>
>Subject: Fish food
>Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 08:08:19 -0700
>
>I'm getting some stripped bass and some crayfish to start up my small
>system, but before I get them, what should I have on hand to feed them?
>
>I saw something in Mother Earth News once that was a light bulb, a
>vacuum cleaner and a pantyhose contraption. The person that built it
>would turn it on at night, and bugs attracted to the light would get
>sucked into the pantyhose. In the morning the power was shut off, and
>the pile of bugs were dumped into the chicken coop for feed. Would
>something like this work for cheap feed for fish?
>
>Is there any worries about feeding crayfish scraps from dinner?
>
>Will
>
>
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Subject: Re: French fillet beans and tilapia, was Re: Paula
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 14:35:55 -0500
At 04:55 AM 09/29/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>Paula,
>What variety of the French filet beans are you growing and what price
>are yougetting at the farmers market?
>> My pleasure. It was always interesting to introduce something new
>at the
>> Farmers Market here. The french fillet beans were different.
>
>Adriana
Adriana - we grew primarily the Jade variety available from Johnny's Seeds.
They have a very distinctive color which adds to their appeal, I think.
Many of our local farmer's market customers are simply older people who
can't garden (physically) any more. But they still have their favorite
varieties that they hope to find at the market. Most market vendors were
selling a basket measure (probably 1/2 peck) of Blue Lake for $2.00, but in
full season(or at the end of the market day!) would give special buys on
bushel quantities. We sold our "gourmet" beans for $2.00 for a quart
ziplock bag....approximately 1/3 to 1/4 the quantity. Our "pricing battle"
was difficult with some customers, but we found our own niche buyers by
sampling and promoting them on visual appeal.
It was a very interesting "marketing experience." I will say that if you're
looking for a place to do market research for your local area, a farmers
market is a great way to do it. You'll find a good cross-section of your
local population, and have the opportunity to get good direct feedback on
your products, assuming you go every week.
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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Subject: Re: Pacu and Paroon shark
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 20:09:20 -0500
Hi Will,
I'm just cruising the list tonight and waiting to get "Blasted". So far, I
haven't. Breathe a breath for me.
Sometimes I voice my opinion and it scares me to death, but "God help us
all", usually people agree with me.
How do I monitor this and that? I don't!! I have several hundreds of dollars
of equipment to monitor water parameters & I used to monitor it constantly.
Let your fish talk to you.
You don't need to monitor that crap. If the fish stop eating then you have a
problem. If you can't "see a dime at the bottom of the tank" as Paula says,
then you have a problem. If your growbeds get plugged then you have a
problem. It is ALWAYS water quality. Don't worry about things that you can't
see. Fix the things that you can see.
GOD!! I wish I had a jerk like me to correspond with when I first started
this. I could have avoided so many mistakes.
Steve
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From: "Hurlin' Will"
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 10:08 AM
Subject: RE: Pacu and Paroon shark
How do you monitor total ammonia, nitrates and nitrates?
Will
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aquaponics-request@townsqr.com
> [mailto:aquaponics-request@townsqr.com] On Behalf Of Chris Jeppesen
> STEVE SPRING
> I would suggest that your increases in feed are slow and
> monitored along with close monitoring of water quality. I
> have had to step back on total feed because of total ammonia
> and nitrates.
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Subject: Re: Fish food
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 20:18:10 -0500
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What in the Hell are you trying to do. Reinvent the wheel?
Forget this crap and spend a little more time just listening on this =
list.
All that you have said is just B.S.
Contact me@ careplus22. Maybe I can help you from making =
some of the same mistakes that I made. I only say this because it helps =
Paula's list from being redundant. (Hope this is o.k. Paula.)
By the way, Paula, are you going to be in NC. ?=20
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Subject: Fish food
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Subject: Kang kong
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 20:40:11 -0500
Hi Gang,
This is "socially insensitive" Steve again.
Everyone is looking for a profitable product to grow. I hope none of you are
living in the Milwaukee area.
I was talking to a Philippino friend the other day and told her that she has
to tell me something that I can grow that the Philippinos would like. She
said, after awhile, "Steve, you should try Kang Kong." My obvious answer
was, "What is Kang Kong?"" She told me what it was and after a little bit of
effort, I found some in the local oriental market. I was able to buy some.
(It has to be imported from NY.) I put this "Kang Kong" in my grow beds
(S&S) and it is just going crazy.
Gee Whiz!! Wonder if there is a market for this? Has to be imported from
NY...huh? Sells for $3.00/lb when they can get it. I can grow this in my
growbeds and it grows like crazy. Makes you think huh?
(Pls. don't ask me for websites for Kang Kong. I've told you what to do.
Just check it out. Hint: Look under Philippino vegetables. Use:
www.dogpile.com . It is the best search engine there is. Lots of luck)
Niche market again. But, you have to talk to people...especially ethnic
people and find out what they would like and how you can help them obtain
it.
Just my thoughts. GO PACU & KANG KONG!!
Steve
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Subject: Blasted!!
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 20:49:46 -0500
Hi Gang,
Thanks to all of you who didn't blast me and especially to those of you who
supported me.
AMERICA needs to get back on track and this list does too. We need more
"inputs" and less "unsubscribes"
I'm trying a new venture with Pacu's, Parron Shark catfish & "kang kong".
Let's breathe some new life into our beloved list.
I always consider myself a newbie to this list. Pls., be like Will, ask
stupid questions......"no stupid questions...just.......you know the
rest..."
I, and I am sure the seniors on this list, ask the "newbies" to put us
"pro's"? to the test.
Thanks Ya'll..........Steve
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Subject: Re: Kang kong
From: Mick
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 20:54:53 -0500
>
> Just my thoughts. GO PACU & KANG KONG!!
>
> Steve
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I almost HAVE to grow something named Kang Kong... for the grin factor,
if nothin' else.
"What is that?"
"Kang Kong"
"No, REALLY.. what is that?"
:)
Mick
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Subject: Re: Kang kong
From: "gerry magnuson"
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 15:58:40 -1000
filipinos will eat anything alive or dead, matter of survival...first ask
from which island in PI does his person come from...I have seen soup made
with potato leaves, elephant grass..and everything from the pig cept the
squeal...ever try pinut bit? dog on the run? I have...you may grow bitter
melon,always in demand....and long beans...cowboy
>From: Mick
>Reply-To: aquaponics@townsqr.com
>To: aquaponics@townsqr.com
>Subject: Re: Kang kong
>Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 20:54:53 -0500
>
> >
> > Just my thoughts. GO PACU & KANG KONG!!
> >
> > Steve
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>
>I almost HAVE to grow something named Kang Kong... for the grin factor,
>if nothin' else.
>
>"What is that?"
>"Kang Kong"
>"No, REALLY.. what is that?"
>:)
>Mick
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