Aquaponics Digest - Thu 10/04/01



Message   1: Kang kong
             from conrad wilkins 

Message   2: RE: Fish food
             from "Hurlin' Will" 

Message   3: RE: Pacu and Paroon shark
             from "Hurlin' Will" 

Message   4: Kang kong
             from Neon Rosell 

Message   5: Re: Kang kong
             from "gutierrez-lagatta" 

Message   6: Re: Kang kong - water spinach
             from "gutierrez-lagatta" 

Message   7: Re: Kang kong - water spinach
             from "gutierrez-lagatta" 

Message   8: RE: Kang kong
             from "Hurst, Steve ( China)" 

Message   9: Water spinach
             from "gutierrez-lagatta" 

Message  10: RE: Pacu and Paroon shark-Test Kits
             from "Hurst, Steve ( China)" 

Message  11: My location and bean question
             from "Devon Williams" 

Message  12: Re: My location and bean question
             from kris book 

Message  13: Re: Kang kong - water spinach
             from "Brent Bingham" 

Message  14: Please help
             from "Louis N. Scerbo" <>

Message  15: Re: Please help
             from "gerry magnuson" 

Message  16: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Wed 10/03/01
             from DAVEINBHAM 'at' aol.com

Message  17: Re: Please help
             from Mick 

Message  18: Re: Where are you located?
             from BMac1978

Message  19: Anthrax
             from "Gene Batten" 

Message  20: Re: Where are you located?
             from Wade Yarbrough 

Message  21: Question regarding grow beds
             from Andrei Calciu

Message  22: Re: Question regarding grow beds
             from Mick 

Message  23: Re: Where are you located?
             from "gerry magnuson" 

Message  24: Re: Question regarding grow beds
             from "gerry magnuson" 

Message  25: Re: Kang kong
             from Peggy & Emmett 

Message  26: Re: Where are you located?
             from "Gene Batten" 

Message  27: Re: Kang kong
             from "Nilo Lancita" 

Message  28: Re: Question regarding grow beds
             from Bertmcl

| Message 1

Subject: Kang kong
From:    conrad wilkins 
Date:    Wed, 03 Oct 2001 22:33:49 -0500

here are two good sites for info on kang kong

www.rain.org/greennet/docs/exoticveggies/html/chinesewaterspinach.htm
www.ku.ac.th/Agrinfo/veget/v31.html

Sounds like a perfect plant for s&s system. The second one gives
nutrition info and the first also gives a source for seeds.

Conrad

| Message 2

Subject: RE: Fish food
From:    "Hurlin' Will" 
Date:    Wed, 3 Oct 2001 23:13:56 -0700

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Reinvent the wheel? No, I'm trying to get advice from people who should
have the answers. I'm a newbie, I'm ignorant, not stupid. Ignorance is
curable (stupidity goes to the bone). Cure me!  Part with some sage
advice or just some facts. I'm listening.
 
Will

-----Original Message-----
From: aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com
[mailto:aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com] On Behalf Of STEVE SPRING
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 6:18 PM
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Subject: Re: Fish food

WILL, WILL, WILL,    
 
What in the Hell are you trying to do. Reinvent the wheel?
 
Forget this crap and spend a little more time just listening on this
list.
 
All that you have said is just B.S.
 
Contact me 'at'  careplus22. Maybe I can help you from making
some of the same mistakes that I made. I only say this because it helps
Paula's list from being redundant. (Hope this is o.k. Paula.)
 
By the way, Paula, are you going to be in NC. ? 
 
Steve 
 
 
 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Hurlin' Will   
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 10:08 AM
Subject: Fish food

I'm getting some stripped bass and some crayfish to start up my small
system, but before I get them, what should I have on hand to feed them?
 
I saw something in Mother Earth News once that was a light bulb, a
vacuum cleaner and a pantyhose contraption. The person that built it
would turn it on at night, and bugs attracted to the light would get
sucked into the pantyhose. In the morning the power was shut off, and
the pile of bugs were dumped into the chicken coop for feed. Would
something like this work for cheap feed for fish? 
 
Is there any worries about feeding crayfish scraps from dinner?
 
Will
 
 

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Reinvent the wheel? No, I'm trying to get advice from people = who should=20 have the answers. I'm a newbie, I'm ignorant, not stupid. Ignorance is = curable=20 (stupidity goes to the bone). Cure me!  Part with some sage = advice or=20 just some facts. I'm listening.
 
Will
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com [mailto:aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com] = On=20 Behalf Of STEVE SPRING
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 = 6:18=20 PM
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Subject: Re: Fish=20 food

WILL, WILL, WILL,    =
 
What in the Hell are you trying to = do. Reinvent=20 the wheel?
 
Forget this crap and spend a little = more time=20 just listening on this list.
 
All that you have said is just = B.S.
 
Contact me 'at' careplus22. = Maybe I can=20 help you from making some of the same mistakes that I made. I only say = this=20 because it helps Paula's list from being redundant. (Hope this is o.k. = Paula.)
 
By the way, Paula, are you going to = be in NC.=20 ? 
 
Steve 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Hurlin' = Will
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, = 2001 10:08=20 AM
Subject: Fish food

I'm getting some=20 stripped bass and some crayfish to start up my small system, but = before I=20 get them, what should I have on hand to feed = them?
 
I = saw something=20 in Mother Earth News once that was a light bulb, a vacuum cleaner = and a=20 pantyhose contraption. The person that built it would turn it on at = night,=20 and bugs attracted to the light would get sucked into the pantyhose. = In the=20 morning the power was shut off, and the pile of bugs were dumped = into the=20 chicken coop for feed. Would something like this work for cheap feed = for=20 fish?
 
Is = there any=20 worries about feeding crayfish scraps from = dinner?
 
Will
 
 
=_NextPart_000_0001_01C14C61.16721B00-- | Message 3 Subject: RE: Pacu and Paroon shark From: "Hurlin' Will" Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 23:13:56 -0700 Howdy Steve Your advice is practical. What more could I ask for? I'll watch the fish, which arrive Saturday. Stripped bass hybrids. I don't mind making mistakes once, but it is usually better to have someone else make them for you. Thanks. Will > -----Original Message----- > From: aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com > [mailto:aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com] On Behalf Of STEVE SPRING > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 6:09 PM > To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com > Subject: Re: Pacu and Paroon shark > > How do I monitor this and that? I don't!! I have several > GOD!! I wish I had a jerk like me to correspond with when I > first started this. I could have avoided so many mistakes. > > Steve > | Message 4 Subject: Kang kong From: Neon Rosell Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 23:46:03 -0700 (PDT) Hello Steve and all, kang kong is the pilipino name for the well known morning glory. for more information go to this site http://www.rain.org/greennet/docs/exoticveggies/html/waterconvolvulus.htm I think you can buy seeds easyly I hope this helps. regards, Neon Cainta, Rizal Philippines __________________________________________________ NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 | Message 5 Subject: Re: Kang kong From: "gutierrez-lagatta" Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 04:37:12 -0500 Steve, Is that $3.00 wholesale or retail? > Gee Whiz!! Wonder if there is a market for this? Has to be imported from > NY .huh? Sells for $3.00/lb when they can get it. I can grow this in my > growbeds and it grows like crazy. Makes you think huh? Adriana | Message 6 Subject: Re: Kang kong - water spinach From: "gutierrez-lagatta" Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 04:49:15 -0500 Be sure to check with state regulators. I believe that water spinach is considered an invasive (illegal) plant in some parts of the country like Florida and possibly Texas? > here are two good sites for info on kang kong Adriana | Message 7 Subject: Re: Kang kong - water spinach From: "gutierrez-lagatta" Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 05:17:23 -0500 Cehck http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/AR/archive/jun98/spin0698.htm for more information on this invasive plant. > Be sure to check with state regulators. I believe that water spinach > is considered an invasive (illegal) plant in some parts of the country > like Florida and possibly Texas? > > here are two good sites for info on kang kong | Message 8 Subject: RE: Kang kong From: "Hurst, Steve ( China)" Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 18:26:34 +0800 Mick, Thats not exactly true ! Like a lot of Asian cultures they eat a lot of things, but most important it has to be very fresh. A lot of the local vegetables are incredibly bland to eat. They generally eat them with a fermented fish taste called "bagong", to spice them up. This is definitely an aquired taste. Other vegetables like the "banana hearts" and Ube take many days to prepare. Of course there is a world of difference between the rich and poor peoples diets. In a lot of the poorer areas in the South the staple diet is Casava. The more money they have, the less vegetables they seem to eat. Lots of Pork products, fried Fish, and sweet and sour flavours are the dishes of choice. Now I have some experience with this as I live in the RP, and together with my Wife we run a fairly up-market Restaurant. Our Aquaponics products are being used to supply that Restaurant. By the way, all of the local vegetables absolutely thrive in an Aquaponics setup, unfortunately they are not very profitable, over here at any rate. If you are looking for exotic vegetables to produce, to target an ethnic market in the US, I personally would look for what the Chinese people like in your area. They are much more discerning when it comes to vegetables. Again, the produce must be VERY fresh. As I work Rota in China, I am looking for Chinese produce and trying to introduce it in the Philipines. So far I have ended up eating it all myself ! If anyone is interested in Philippine vegetable produce, let me know and I will ask my wife to give me a list. ( bear in mind it will be the "Tagalog" name, will need a Websearch to interpret it. ) Steve H filipinos will eat anything alive or dead, matter of survival .first ask from which island in PI does his person come from .I have seen soup made with potato leaves, elephant grass and everything from the pig cept the squeal .ever try pinut bit? dog on the run? I have .you may grow bitter melon,always in demand and long beans .cowboy | Message 9 Subject: Water spinach From: "gutierrez-lagatta" Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 05:35:10 -0500 Be sure to check with the USDA for permitting requirements as Ipomea aquatica is classified as a noxious weed. List 3. FEDERAL NOXIOUS WEED REGULATION. 7 CFR 360 The following plants, seeds, or other parts capable of propagation are within the definition of a "noxious weed" under the Federal Noxious Weed Act of 1974 (7 USC 2802(c)). Listed noxious weeds may be moved into or through the United States only under permit from the USDA Plant Protection and Quarantine programs, and under conditions that would not involve a danger of disseminating the weeds. http://pi.cdfa.ca.gov/weedinfo/FEDLIST5.htm | Message 10 | Subject: RE: Pacu and Paroon shark-Test Kits From: "Hurst, Steve ( China)" Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 18:44:05 +0800 Will, I get my test kits Shipped over from the UK, as I have not yet located a source in the Philipinnes. These sites below will show you what they are, http://www.reefkeeper.co.uk/pages/testkits.htm http://www.thetropicaltank.co.uk/testkits.htm however, there should be somebody else on the list who can give you a supplier in your area ( anybody ? ) I also use an Oxygen Meter. I agree with Steve ( Mr Socially Insensitive ), that at first I was using them all the time, but as time went on, and I got more comfortable with the system, I needed them less and less. The Fish and the Water Clarity are good indicators. I still check them once a week, but then, I have not been doing this for very long myself either. I did find them useful for checking the water quality whilst the Filter Bed was coming on line. Steve H SNIP Your advice is practical. What more could I ask for? I'll watch the fish, which arrive Saturday. Stripped bass hybrids. I don't mind making mistakes once, but it is usually better to have someone else make them for you. Thanks. Will | Message 11 | Subject: My location and bean question From: "Devon Williams" Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 10:02:56 -0400 Hi all, To answer the question about location, I am in Loganville, GA (just east of Atlanta past Stone Mountain) at J.P. McConnell Middle School. I have a system (consisting of one tank 'at' 125 gallons, and one 4'X8'X12" plant bed) set up in a room adjacent to my classroom. This room has no access to sunlight, so I am using a combination of Metal Halide and Wonderlites to light my system which brings me to my next question. I am currently growing a combination of Basil (going gangbusters), two types of lettuce (Romaine and Black seeded simpson), Cilantro, and I am attempting a little spinach (although I have heard it is difficult to achieve germination on this). I also have some plain old Philodendren (sp?) growing around the edges "just for kicks" (this is also going gangbusters) So, my question. Given my light restrictions (oh, one more thing .I am using a Metal Halide conversion bulb in an HPS ballast, so I can alternate my light source if needed.), what is the possibility of growing things like Filet Beans, etc that flower .I'd like to be able to offer these type of products to my coworkers as a way to pay for more seeds for my system. The biggest hurdle is that I cannot change my lack of natural lighting situation .the school district frowns upon teachers taking a sledge hammer to their classroom walls to make windows I do have a photography background, so lighting isn't foreign to me. I think I have read once on this list that there is a way to use you camera's light meter to figure out how many foot candles, etc. I have going .but I'm at a loss now. Thanks! Devon P.s., to check out my system, you can go to http://www.mindspring.com/~mcconnellms/staff/dwilliams/projects.htm Devon Williams Beer Belly Brothers Brewing Watkinsville, GA ooooo | oo=| | .o | | .| | | .|=| |___| | Message 12 | Subject: Re: My location and bean question From: kris book Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 08:45:28 -0600 Devon, If you put your gro-lights on a light mover, you can allow the halide bulb to get very close to your plants without burning the leaves from the heat of the bulb. This should allow you to grow flowering veggies. The light mover will also give you equal coverage over your entire grow bed. And if your grow beds are small, you may be able to add another bed, and then more fish. kris | Message 13 | Subject: Re: Kang kong - water spinach From: "Brent Bingham" Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 08:45:08 -0700 It is very invasive! If it gets out, everything seems to spread it. Row crop operations should be very careful. Morning glory costs cotton farmers and others millions of dollars each year. It grows like a vine climbing to the top and chocking out everything below. It has nice looking blue flowers and was collected and spread by early western settlers. It seems to comeback from the root if broke off. The tap root gets very deep in a short time. I is not legal in most western states. Brent ----- Original Message ----- From: "gutierrez-lagatta" Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 3:17 AM Subject: Re: Kang kong - water spinach > Cehck http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/AR/archive/jun98/spin0698.htm for > more information on this invasive plant. > > > Be sure to check with state regulators. I believe that water > spinach > > is considered an invasive (illegal) plant in some parts of the > country > > like Florida and possibly Texas? > > > here are two good sites for info on kang kong > > > | Message 14 | Subject: Please help From: "Louis N. Scerbo" <> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 12:58:10 -0400 I have another "newbie" question. I will be working with Nile Tilapia. Must I purchase new stock or is it possible to breed these rascals? Lou | Message 15 | Subject: Re: Please help From: "gerry magnuson" Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 07:02:43 -1000 breeding may be your major problem with 'nile perch' .females are rather amorous at a young age, males as all males good stock goes a long way. >From: "Louis N. Scerbo" <> >Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com >To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com >Subject: Please help >Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 12:58:10 -0400 > >I have another "newbie" question. >I will be working with Nile Tilapia. Must I purchase new stock or is it >possible to breed these rascals? > >Lou > | Message 16 | Subject: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Wed 10/03/01 From: DAVEINBHAM 'at' aol.com Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 13:13:14 EDT In a message dated 10/4/01 12:09:49 AM Central Daylight Time, aquaponics-digest-request 'at' townsqr.com writes: << I almost HAVE to grow something named Kang Kong . for the grin factor, if nothin' else. >> ****************************************************************************** ******** Ok, Steve, What the hell IS Kang Kong ? You are right, it does have a cool sounding name, but what IS it ? Where does one obtain seed ? What is the botanical name ? Regards, Dave | Message 17 | Subject: Re: Please help From: Mick Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 12:30:41 -0500 Louis N. Scerbo wrote: > > I have another "newbie" question. > I will be working with Nile Tilapia. Must I purchase new stock or is it > possible to breed these rascals? > > Lou ----- Folks seem to disagree on this subject. I have three breeding colonies that produce mossambicus (?) tilapia crossbreeds. It was NOT the most economical way to go. Each breeding colony cost around a thousand dollars for the large aquariums, filter, and fish. The colonies are kept in the house so I can keep an eye on things. They produce more fry than my growout system can handle with current tank space. The fry are all males which speeds up the growout process as there is no breeding activity in the growout tank. >From what I've read here and other places, this is not the norm for the crossbreeds. A number of folks have given up working with breeding colonies and purchase their stock for growout from reputable breeders. Seems to be more economical. Before you buy your first fish, make sure it is legal to raise that type of fish in your state. There are stiff fines if you raise fish which are considered exotic for your area. Parks and Wildlife and your state Dept. of Ag. will have all the info you need. Good luck, Mick | Message 18 | Subject: Re: Where are you located? From: BMac1978 Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 16:11:59 EDT --part1_15.1bb6c6ca.28ee1c8f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have yet to get my system up and started, but we are shooting for end of October - November. Would also love to go see someone's system. I am located in Northern, Lower Michigan near the Huron National Forrest in Mio, better known as the only place you can see yellow bellied Warblers in the U.S. warmly, Dawn MacAuley Michigan --part1_15.1bb6c6ca.28ee1c8f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have yet to get my system up and started, but we are shooting for end of October - November.  Would also love to go see someone's system.  I am located in Northern, Lower Michigan near the Huron National Forrest in Mio, better known as the only place you can see yellow bellied Warblers in the U.S.

warmly,
Dawn MacAuley
Michigan
--part1_15.1bb6c6ca.28ee1c8f_boundary-- | Message 19 | Subject: Anthrax From: "Gene Batten" Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 16:32:05 -0400 Anthrax is in the news today. In case anyone is interested, here is a military web site with info about anthrax. http://www.anthrax.osd.mil/ .Gene | Message 20 | Subject: Re: Where are you located? From: Wade Yarbrough Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 14:49:19 -0700 (PDT) On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 Curious Gene wrote: > Would it be appropriate to ask list members to identify their locations? Gene, I'm an even closer neighbor. I'm located in Pittsboro, NC which is west of Raleigh. My wife, Michelle, and I have been working all summer constucting a greenhouse and installing an Aquaponic system under the guidance of Tom and Paula. They have been extremely helpful and it would never have happened without their help. We have two six-bed nodes with tomatoes and strawberries up and growing. We plan to plant our lettuce this week. We have Tilapia in both tanks. Looking forward to our first harvest and sale. We are just starting our Web-site but we at least have a few pictures. Have a look at http://www.eaglespringsfarm.net Feel free to stop by on the way to Virginia. Wade Yarbrough Eagle Springs Farm | Message 21 | Subject: Question regarding grow beds From: Andrei Calciu Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 17:49:01 -0400 I have noticed on several websites that growbeds are raised to about waist level. May I inquire why? If you are growing tomatoes, the plants can reach as much as 40 feet in height (properly trimmed and leaned they never exceed hand-picking height, but the vines grow to such huge lengths). Do you limit the height of the plant for any particular reason? I am aware of hydroponic operations where tomato plants are used one-shot. You get a crop then you dump the plant for a new one. However, in such a system as the aquaponics production cycle, you do not really have to do that and can keep growing the plant until you run out of space. So, why the height of the grow beds? Yes, I understand that some of us may have age or physical difficulties working with beds placed at ground level. Other reasons? -_______________ Andrei D. Calciu (VA-4270) NEC America, Inc. 14040 Park Center Dr. Herndon, VA 20171-3227 Voice: 703-834-4273 Fax: 703-787-6613 This message and any attachment are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please telephone or email the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you must not copy this message or attachment or disclose the contents to any other person. | Message 22 | Subject: Re: Question regarding grow beds From: Mick Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 17:16:43 -0500 > > So, why the height of the grow beds? > > Yes, I understand that some of us may have age or physical difficulties > working with beds placed at ground level. Other reasons? > -____________ Mine are taller than the fish tanks so gravity can return the water and I need one less pump/electricity user. Mick | Message 23 | Subject: Re: Where are you located? From: "gerry magnuson" Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 12:22:57 -1000 congrats! really a class act .would it ask too much about how much you have invested so far in your operation at this stage? .cowboy >From: Wade Yarbrough >Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com >To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com >Subject: Re: Where are you located? >Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 14:49:19 -0700 (PDT) > > >On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 Curious Gene wrote: > > > Would it be appropriate to ask list members to identify their >locations? > >Gene, >I'm an even closer neighbor. I'm located in Pittsboro, NC which is west of >Raleigh. My wife, Michelle, and I have been working all summer constucting >a greenhouse and installing an Aquaponic system under the guidance of Tom >and Paula. They have been extremely helpful and it would never have >happened without their help. We have two six-bed nodes with tomatoes and >strawberries up and growing. We plan to plant our lettuce this week. We >have Tilapia in both tanks. Looking forward to our first harvest and sale. >We are just starting our Web-site but we at least have a few pictures. >Have >a look at http://www.eaglespringsfarm.net > >Feel free to stop by on the way to Virginia. > >Wade Yarbrough >Eagle Springs Farm > > > > > > > > > > | Message 24 | Subject: Re: Question regarding grow beds From: "gerry magnuson" Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 12:36:55 -1000 no farmer does exactly like his cohort .what fits your needs is the correct method .lettinga plant grow to the ceiling, it may require more energy to keep it producing as you wish or expect .if one grows peppers, it is good to prune as they produce .a 2% grade on your tablesmay be a good starting point to return water, nothing wrong with sinking your fish tanks in the ground .cowboy | Message 25 | Subject: Re: Kang kong From: Peggy & Emmett Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 18:47:48 -0400 At 10:33 PM 10/3/2001 -0500, you wrote: >here are two good sites for info on kang kong > Here's another: http://plants.ifas.ufl.edu/ipaqpic.html> | Message 26 | Subject: Re: Where are you located? From: "Gene Batten" Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 20:48:14 -0400 Wade, Alright! I thought there might be someone on this list who lives fairly close to me. I looked at your pictures on your web site. Very nice! Quite a large greenhouse, and a beautiful setting. Chatham county has some very nice rolling country side. My wife is originally from the Siler City area and I just love it over there. Thanks for the invite to stop by on the way to Virginia. I will be flying my airplane up to visit Bert sometime next week. I will go up and come back the same day. It is about 200 miles one way, which is about 1 hr 15 min flying time. Sure beats driving. New Kent airport is near Bert's home, so he will pick me up. I will contact you "off list" to arrange a time to visit and get directions. You are probably about an hour drive from me depending on which side of Pittsboro you are on. I have bookmarked your web site and I will check it occasionally to follow your progress. Best Regards, neighbor, .Gene Batten > > On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 Curious Gene wrote: > > > Would it be appropriate to ask list members to identify their locations? > > Gene, > I'm an even closer neighbor. I'm located in Pittsboro, NC which is west of > Raleigh. My wife, Michelle, and I have been working all summer constucting > a greenhouse and installing an Aquaponic system under the guidance of Tom > and Paula. They have been extremely helpful and it would never have > happened without their help. We have two six-bed nodes with tomatoes and > strawberries up and growing. We plan to plant our lettuce this week. We > have Tilapia in both tanks. Looking forward to our first harvest and sale. > We are just starting our Web-site but we at least have a few pictures. Have > a look at http://www.eaglespringsfarm.net > > Feel free to stop by on the way to Virginia. > > Wade Yarbrough > Eagle Springs Farm > > > > > > > > > > | Message 27 | Subject: Re: Kang kong From: "Nilo Lancita" Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 23:05:58 -0400 Message 27 was infected with the JS/KAK@m virus and was deleted. ----------------------------------------------------------------- | Message 28 | Subject: Re: Question regarding grow beds From: Bertmcl Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 23:53:46 EDT My outdoor grow beds were placed waist high for convience, since I was basicaly working with cut flowers I thought that would be a good heigth,. was I wrong the beds were too high or I was too short,I used a ladder to cut most of the blooms and that was a job. when I move into the GH I plan to have beds almost on the ground.I would rather bend over to sow the seeds that use a ladder for harvest. Bert McLaughlin New Kent, VA 23 miles east of Richmond & 37 miles west of Williamsburg.

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