Aquaponics Digest - Mon 10/08/01
Message 1: Re: Where are you located?
from "NiCKEL"
Message 2: Re: Sweet potato leaves and shoots
from Carolyn Hoagland
Message 3: Re: Sweet potato leaves and shoots
from "gerry magnuson"
Message 4: Re: Re:Kang kong (Kankon
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 5: Re: Sweet potato leaves and shoots
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 6: Re: height of beds
from Andrei Calciu
Message 7: System pictures
from "Jay Myers"
Message 8: Re: height of beds
from "Jay Myers"
Message 9: RE: Where are you located?
from "Nelson and Pade"
Message 10: Re: Fish food
from Arlus Farnsworth
Message 11: Re: height of beds
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 12: Re: height of beds
from Arlus Farnsworth
Message 13: Re: height of beds
from Arlus Farnsworth
Message 14: bed height
from pablo obiaga
Message 15: Re: bed height II
from pablo obiaga
Message 16: Re: Sweet potato leaves and shoots
from asylvest@eatel.net
Message 17: problem
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 18: Re: Braging time
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 19: afghan war
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 20: Re: Braggin' , Congratulations!! & the Big Chalupa of Change.
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 21: Re: afghan war
from "Gene Batten"
Message 22: Pump safeguards, was Re: height of beds
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 23: Re: Pacu and blow hard problem
from (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 24: REMINDER - list etiquette (selected sections to suit the day)
from S & S Aqua Farm
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Subject: Re: Where are you located?
From: "NiCKEL"
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 00:28:40 -0700
Has anyone else got a website setup?
It would be interesting to see pictures/information on other functional
systems.
Thanks
-Geoff Nicol
> Gene,
> I'm an even closer neighbor. I'm located in Pittsboro, NC which is west
of
> Raleigh. My wife, Michelle, and I have been working all summer
constucting
> a greenhouse and installing an Aquaponic system under the guidance of Tom
> and Paula. They have been extremely helpful and it would never have
> happened without their help. We have two six-bed nodes with tomatoes and
> strawberries up and growing. We plan to plant our lettuce this week. We
> have Tilapia in both tanks. Looking forward to our first harvest and
sale.
> We are just starting our Web-site but we at least have a few pictures.
Have
> a look at http://www.eaglespringsfarm.net
>
> Feel free to stop by on the way to Virginia.
>
> Wade Yarbrough
> Eagle Springs Farm
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Subject: Re: Sweet potato leaves and shoots
From: Carolyn Hoagland
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 04:45:20 -0500
I Dunno, what's the difference? They were called sweet potato slips
when I bought them at the co op this spring. Some of the varieties
were "Centennial" and "Beauregard."
Carolyn
P.S. I did a search on google for {"sweet potato leaves" and recipes}
and came back with quite a few asian and middle eastern looking
recipes...
>gerry magnuson asked
> do you have 'yams' or sweetpotato?
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Subject: Re: Sweet potato leaves and shoots
From: "gerry magnuson"
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 01:46:58 -1000
yams are yellow, usually, inside...sold as 'sweet-potatoes', but are not
true sweetpotatoes....which can be white or purple inside...
>From: Carolyn Hoagland
>Reply-To: aquaponics@townsqr.com
>To: aquaponics@townsqr.com
>Subject: Re: Sweet potato leaves and shoots
>Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 04:45:20 -0500
>
>I Dunno, what's the difference? They were called sweet potato slips
>when I bought them at the co op this spring. Some of the varieties
>were "Centennial" and "Beauregard."
>Carolyn
>
>P.S. I did a search on google for {"sweet potato leaves" and recipes}
>and came back with quite a few asian and middle eastern looking
>recipes...
>
> >gerry magnuson asked
> > do you have 'yams' or sweetpotato?
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Subject: Re: Re:Kang kong (Kankon
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 08:02:57 -0500
cCarolyn,
Sweet potato leaves, which are in the same family as water spinach,
are edible and commonly used in the orient. They are also reported to
be effective at reducing cholesterol levels. One report on Garden web
mentioned a drop from the 400's to 150 after 6 months of eating fresh
leaves 3 times a day. I have 2 plants rooting to do a taste test.
> Thanks for the links. One of them mentioned that "Sweet potato
shoots
> tips and leaves sometimes substitute for water convolvulus". Have
any
> on you ever tasted sweet potato leaves or shoots?
Adriana
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Subject: Re: Sweet potato leaves and shoots
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 08:04:05 -0500
I read recently that virtually all yams and sweet potatoes in the US
are sweet potatoes....
> I Dunno, what's the difference? They were called sweet potato slips
> when I bought them at the co op this spring. Some of the varieties
> were "Centennial" and "Beauregard."
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Subject: Re: height of beds
From: Andrei Calciu
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 09:59:37 -0400
Conrad,
as I said in my first post on this subject, I fail to see the usefulness of
raised beds unless you have some physical problem bending to plant the
seeds. It makes no sense to have to climb a ladder to harvest your plants.
Sure, using gravity will save you a few bucks in pumping water back in the
tank, but in my view the disadvantages are clearly outweighing the
advantages.
Best beds will be at ground level, you can bury the tanks so you can still
use gravity to return water from the beds to the tanks.
One exception you may want to make would be specialty beds for dwarf plants
like cilantro or some other herb you might grow. No reason having those
beds at ground level.
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NEC America, Inc.
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Herndon, VA 20171-3227
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Subject: System pictures
From: "Jay Myers"
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 09:18:12 -0500
Mine are at
www.aerialad.net
Jay
Panama City Beach, Florida
> Has anyone else got a website setup?
>
> It would be interesting to see pictures/information on other functional
> systems.
>
> Thanks
> -Geoff Nicol
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Subject: Re: height of beds
From: "Jay Myers"
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 09:55:56 -0500
I fail to see the usefulness of
> raised beds unless you have some physical problem bending to plant the
> seeds. It makes no sense to have to climb a ladder to harvest your plants.
Just a thought -
Most of the crops you can grow in fish water are on the short side. The
strength of fish water is generally not sufficient to grow good tomatoes,
peppers, etc. They are heavy feeders, so greens of most types, herbs, etc.
are best grown at "good for people" height.
Another thought is damage control. When the return pump fails , and your
grow beds drain to a sump that has to be pumped back to the fish tank, your
water will overflow to the ground, fish tank will be pumped nearly dry, and
lots of fish die. (I learned first hand) On the other hand, if the grow
beds are higher that the fish tank and drain by gravity, and the pump, (of
which you now only need one), fails, your plants get a little dry, but they
can usually deal with it longer than the fish can.
There is no limit to the number of configurations we can come up with, but
thought has to be given to the eventual problems that will come up.
Jay
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Subject: RE: Where are you located?
From: "Nelson and Pade"
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 09:28:59 -0700
> Has anyone else got a website setup?
>
> It would be interesting to see pictures/information on other functional
> systems.
We've been working on an aquaponics and hydroponics facility being built in
Mariposa, CA. The greenhouse will be just under 1/2 acre. The structure and
components have been delivered and we are beginning construction. All
phases will be documented at www.kirbypeakranch.com
Rebecca Nelson
Nelson/Pade Multimedia - Aquaponics Journal
www.aquaponics.com
tel: 209-742-6869 fax: 209-742-4402
>
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Subject: Re: Fish food
From: Arlus Farnsworth
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 09:43:11 -0700
If you need pollination then maybe just attracting night and/or day
insects to the plants, a few will likely fall in the water for a fish
snack. In case you didn't notice, insects are seasonal. I guess if you
live in a tropical climate you would have a year round supply of
mosquitos. Wild trout eat a significant quantity and taste much better
than farmed trout. You can tell the difference, it is pretty obvious
which ones are recently from the hatchery. I actually mildly dislike the
flavor.
Someone on list said something about maggots and superior flesh
characteristics.
gerry magnuson wrote:
>
> hw, you did not mention if you have a pond or fishtank or whatever...I read
> where one should introduce the crayfish first to get established, then the
> bass...a product called 'agri-lite' has units that use a black light to
> attract insects, and a suction fan to collec such in any type of container,
> first used in tobacco, we used it with our cotton fields with great success,
> burlap bags full each day, using a car battery type in the field...some
> units have zappers that shock the insects...doubt if much goes on in
> winter...cowboy
>
> >From: "Hurlin' Will"
> >Reply-To: aquaponics@townsqr.com
> >
> >Subject: Fish food
> >Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 08:08:19 -0700
> >
> >I'm getting some stripped bass and some crayfish to start up my small
> >system, but before I get them, what should I have on hand to feed them?
> >
> >I saw something in Mother Earth News once that was a light bulb, a
> >vacuum cleaner and a pantyhose contraption. The person that built it
> >would turn it on at night, and bugs attracted to the light would get
> >sucked into the pantyhose. In the morning the power was shut off, and
> >the pile of bugs were dumped into the chicken coop for feed. Would
> >something like this work for cheap feed for fish?
> >
> >Is there any worries about feeding crayfish scraps from dinner?
> >
> >Will
> >
> >
>
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Subject: Re: height of beds
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 12:39:19 -0500
Andrei,
It all depends on what you are growing - the objective is to get the
crop that is being harvested at the height that allows for the
greatest level of productivity. For salad greens and herbs, it would
be about waist-height. For vining crops like tomatoes and cucumbers
the beds should be at ground level. . Raised beds are very, very
useful. The added labor of stooping to cut and harvest greens and the
wear and tear on the workers is incredible. You pay in productivity
and disability. I suspect that if I had to harvest greens at ground
level my cutting speed would be half what it is using raised beds.
> as I said in my first post on this subject, I fail to see the
usefulness of
> raised beds unless you have some physical problem bending to plant
the
> seeds. It makes no sense to have to climb a ladder to harvest your
plants.
At either height you can use gravity to return your water back to the
tank if you have the ability to sink your main tank into the ground.
If this is not possible you can probably sink a small sump below
ground. It will cost you a bit more to run a sump pump intermittently
but it is nothing like the cost of the inefficiencies of harvesting
tomatoes from ladders or herbs at ground level. Tailor your beds to
your crops or build in some flexibility to modify the height should
you change crops due to market conditions.
> Sure, using gravity will save you a few bucks in pumping water back
in the
> tank, but in my view the disadvantages are clearly outweighing the
> advantages.
Adriana
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Subject: Re: height of beds
From: Arlus Farnsworth
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 14:26:26 -0700
Good point, also on the damage control - raised beds are more defensible
to crawling insects, snails and slugs. Also if the floor is cold, the
beds can be insulated and spot heated. The energy required to do this is
lower a few feet above the floor. Just a few more arguments for raised
beds... however of course each solution is cobbled together from a
unique set of design requirements and situations. Fewer moving parts and
fail safe operation are among top ranking design principles, in addition
to start up cost. Some things are more obvious later on down the road
but ideally should be weighted against the whole during the planning
process. Flexible design is essential to preserving value in previous
efforts when modification or expansion is implemented. This means light
weight components that can be broken down easily and moved around or
reconfigured. Allow space to add new modules in line to the flow. Having
the ability to clean out each component is essential for continuous
operation. Remember, development cycle includes short term and long term
observations on scaled down and full scale models. Research and
development is costly in time, money and space. If you are in it for the
money you should go with a tried technique. Even tried techniques must
be tailored to specific situations such as climate and available
materials. Sometimes a particular solution will involve drastic measures
to compensate for a given extreme condition. These situations are best
avoided, and altering one or more basic design precepts such as species
of cultivar should be considered, although ultimately the market will
determine what is possible in particular. Any little thing you can do to
reduce energy, labor and maintenance costs over time will add up. I try
to never sacrifice quality of product. Attention to product quality if
nothing else will retain customer loyalty. I ask myself every day, "What
can I do to increase quality and minimize labor?" A truely flexible
design will allow easy transition to accomodate varying design
parameters while maintaining productivity and quality.
Jay Myers wrote:
>
> I fail to see the usefulness of
> > raised beds unless you have some physical problem bending to plant the
> > seeds. It makes no sense to have to climb a ladder to harvest your plants.
>
> Just a thought -
> Most of the crops you can grow in fish water are on the short side. The
> strength of fish water is generally not sufficient to grow good tomatoes,
> peppers, etc. They are heavy feeders, so greens of most types, herbs, etc.
> are best grown at "good for people" height.
>
> Another thought is damage control. When the return pump fails , and your
> grow beds drain to a sump that has to be pumped back to the fish tank, your
> water will overflow to the ground, fish tank will be pumped nearly dry, and
> lots of fish die. (I learned first hand) On the other hand, if the grow
> beds are higher that the fish tank and drain by gravity, and the pump, (of
> which you now only need one), fails, your plants get a little dry, but they
> can usually deal with it longer than the fish can.
>
> There is no limit to the number of configurations we can come up with, but
> thought has to be given to the eventual problems that will come up.
>
> Jay
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Subject: Re: height of beds
From: Arlus Farnsworth
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 14:33:47 -0700
Flexibility is good.
> Tailor your beds to
> your crops or build in some flexibility to modify the height should
> you change crops due to market conditions.
gutierrez-lagatta wrote:
>
> Andrei,
> It all depends on what you are growing - the objective is to get the
> crop that is being harvested at the height that allows for the
> greatest level of productivity. For salad greens and herbs, it would
> be about waist-height. For vining crops like tomatoes and cucumbers
> the beds should be at ground level. . Raised beds are very, very
> useful. The added labor of stooping to cut and harvest greens and the
> wear and tear on the workers is incredible. You pay in productivity
> and disability. I suspect that if I had to harvest greens at ground
> level my cutting speed would be half what it is using raised beds.
> > as I said in my first post on this subject, I fail to see the
> usefulness of
> > raised beds unless you have some physical problem bending to plant
> the
> > seeds. It makes no sense to have to climb a ladder to harvest your
> plants.
>
> At either height you can use gravity to return your water back to the
> tank if you have the ability to sink your main tank into the ground.
> If this is not possible you can probably sink a small sump below
> ground. It will cost you a bit more to run a sump pump intermittently
> but it is nothing like the cost of the inefficiencies of harvesting
> tomatoes from ladders or herbs at ground level. Tailor your beds to
> your crops or build in some flexibility to modify the height should
> you change crops due to market conditions.
> > Sure, using gravity will save you a few bucks in pumping water back
> in the
> > tank, but in my view the disadvantages are clearly outweighing the
> > advantages.
>
> Adriana
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Subject: bed height
From: pablo obiaga
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 19:46:26 -0300
Andrei, Conrad et all:
At 09:59 8/10/01 -0400, you wrote:
.........
>-Sure, using gravity will save you a few bucks in pumping water back in the
tank, but in my view the disadvantages are clearly outweighing the
advantages.
Best beds will be at ground level, you can bury the tanks so you can still
use gravity to return water from the beds to the tanks.
..........
I'm taking seriously gravity so only one pump is used but:
Wouldn't it be wiser to use the impellment the pump produces to returm the
water to the tank so oxygen needs are met?
In that case what would the problem be (if there is one) if the beds are
fed by gravity?
Is a certain difference on hight not enough to carry or distribute solid
waste? I'm talking if raising the fish tank (usually hevy) is not a
problem. Has any one tried or thought about this perhaps in a smaller system?
Jay wrote:
..........................
Another thought is damage control. When the return pump fails , and your
grow beds drain to a sump that has to be pumped back to the fish tank, your
water will overflow to the ground, fish tank will be pumped nearly dry, and
lots of fish die.
.........................
This can be avoided buy a floating switch, conecteted to the circuit. They
have a small metal ball inside the floater that does the swtitch. These are
reliable, simple and inexpensive (down here 18 dollars, I bet much less up
there) when you think how much the loss could be. These divices can,
dependinding on how you conect them, switch on OR off when the floater goes
up OR down. Up and down position (of the floater, its range=water quantity
or remnant) is regulated by a weigh. They are Italian made, Totally
isolated in flexible plastic and approved for human water reservoirs'
managnet. They should be aveilable in any contruction store.
Pablo
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Subject: Re: bed height II
From: pablo obiaga
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 20:24:21 -0300
I think I was not clear:
The device will shut off the circuite when water is low.
For gravity feeding the beds there are pipe electromecanical switches that
can be activated by the timer. Washing machines use them. The parts that
contact the water are plastic.
All this will allow extracting the precious precipitate from the bottom of
the tank by gravity and furnish a seccurity device that would prevent the
fish from drying.
It would invert what is fed by gravity and substitute a 120 bucks pump and
its hi speed moving parts to two electromecanical rather passive devices
worth 30 bucks both.
At 19:46 8/10/01 -0300, you wrote:
>Andrei, Conrad et all:
>
>At 09:59 8/10/01 -0400, you wrote:
>.........
>>-Sure, using gravity will save you a few bucks in pumping water back in the
>tank, but in my view the disadvantages are clearly outweighing the
>advantages.
>
>Best beds will be at ground level, you can bury the tanks so you can still
>use gravity to return water from the beds to the tanks.
>..........
>
>I'm taking seriously gravity so only one pump is used but:
>
>Wouldn't it be wiser to use the impellment the pump produces to returm the
>water to the tank so oxygen needs are met?
>
>In that case what would the problem be (if there is one) if the beds are
>fed by gravity?
>Is a certain difference on hight not enough to carry or distribute solid
>waste? I'm talking if raising the fish tank (usually hevy) is not a
>problem. Has any one tried or thought about this perhaps in a smaller system?
>Jay wrote:
>..........................
>Another thought is damage control. When the return pump fails , and your
>grow beds drain to a sump that has to be pumped back to the fish tank, your
>water will overflow to the ground, fish tank will be pumped nearly dry, and
>lots of fish die.
>.........................
>
>This can be avoided buy a floating switch, conecteted to the circuit. They
>have a small metal ball inside the floater that does the swtitch. These are
>reliable, simple and inexpensive (down here 18 dollars, I bet much less up
>there) when you think how much the loss could be. These divices can,
>dependinding on how you conect them, switch on OR off when the floater goes
>up OR down. Up and down position (of the floater, its range=water quantity
>or remnant) is regulated by a weigh. They are Italian made, Totally
>isolated in flexible plastic and approved for human water reservoirs'
>managnet. They should be aveilable in any contruction store.
>Pablo
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: Re: Sweet potato leaves and shoots
From: asylvest@eatel.net
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 101 19:19:39 US/Central
True yams are tropical vines in the genus Dioscorea. Some can get huge.
What are sold in grocery stores in the US as yams are sweet potatoes but tend
to be moister.
The sweet potato variety Vardaman is good for leaves and shoots because it has
short internodes, i.e. short vines, and large leaves. The leaves have a
purplish cast so they are attractive also.
Allen
H. Allen Sylvester
Baton Rouge, LA
> >From: Carolyn Hoagland
> >Reply-To: aquaponics@townsqr.com
> >To: aquaponics@townsqr.com
> >Subject: Re: Sweet potato leaves and shoots
> >Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 04:45:20 -0500
> >
> >I Dunno, what's the difference? They were called sweet potato slips
> >when I bought them at the co op this spring. Some of the varieties
> >were "Centennial" and "Beauregard."
> >Carolyn
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Subject: problem
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 20:21:12 -0500
Paula,
Is this your private email? I have something that is bothering me.
Steve
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Subject: Re: Braging time
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 20:26:21 -0500
At 10:14 PM 09/30/2001 EDT, Bert McLaughlin wrote:
>Fellow list members, I want to share a little info with you-
>
>On Sept 27,2001 3 of my TILAPIA were in the AQUACULTURE competition at the VA
>STATE FAIR- 1 weighed 1 1/2 lbs @ 12 inches long, the other 2 were 11 1/2
>inches long and weighed 1 1/4 lb & 1 lb. They took 1st place and BEST in THE
>SHOW. These fish were purchased on Oct 13,2000 @ 0 >3 grams and for almost 4
>months the water temp was barely enough to keep them alive - much less
>suitable for feeding.
>
>Now on Sept 17,2001 (after cleaning out my outdoor growing beds) I sowed
>several different kinds of Salad Greens. On the early morning of Sept 19,2001
>the cabbage seeds had germinated and had 2 small green leaves.
>
>This is not an advertisement but thank GOD for Tom & Paula for thier
>encourement when I first started to learn about this great field of
>AQUAPONICS.
>
>Bert McLaughlin
>New Kent VA
Bert - sorry to be so late to add my congrat's. I hope your success
continues, and that you'll keep us informed here on the list. You and your
brother are to be commended for your excellent work, both with your system
and your educational efforts.
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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Subject: afghan war
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 20:32:35 -0500
Could I please jump in here before we have 10,000 responses?
I know that we are all concerned about this. BUT, could we please submit our
responses to another list.
This list gets so overwhelmed by the outpouring of sympathy and concern that
we all forget that this is a list about aquaponics. If you have a comment,
pls. submit it to CNN or somewhere else.
I'm not a Nazi, white power advocate or anything like that.......I'd just
like to keep the aquaponics list focusing on aquaponics.
Thanks.......Steve
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Subject: Re: Braggin' , Congratulations!! & the Big Chalupa of Change.
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 20:36:39 -0500
At 06:33 PM 10/01/2001 -0500, Ted wrote:
>
>Now I want to share some good news, too. This weekend was a turning point
>for new developments here on the prairie. I came up with, and really
>entcountered, you might say, a Big Chalupa Metanoia, a kind of, er, 12 step
>plan for recovery you might say, after a business partner of mine and I came
>across some bargain fish tanks, which we have already secured and which will
>be installed here at my place in the next few months, Lord willing.
>Yes, I know what I said before about business partners. But this guy is
>AOK. Long time friend and fellow traveler. We've been in the trenches
>together before and managed to stay friends.
I believe choices are the basis for metanoia,
>repentance, recovery, healing, growth, rehabilitation, development,
>improvement, transformation,
>santification...progress....ch-ch-ch-ch-changes.......which are all slightly
>different but also related concepts.....and I like the depiction here that
>Lewis gives us of those kinds of things as ongoing processes.
Great news, Ted. Glad to have you back (almost) in operation, and we hope
you'll keep us updated on how things go. Thanks for the inspiration!
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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Subject: Re: afghan war
From: "Gene Batten"
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 21:42:42 -0400
Well said Steve. Me to.
Thanks,
...Gene Batten
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From: "STEVE SPRING"
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 9:32 PM
Subject: afghan war
> Could I please jump in here before we have 10,000 responses?
>
> I know that we are all concerned about this. BUT, could we please submit
our
> responses to another list.
>
> This list gets so overwhelmed by the outpouring of sympathy and concern
that
> we all forget that this is a list about aquaponics. If you have a comment,
> pls. submit it to CNN or somewhere else.
>
> I'm not a Nazi, white power advocate or anything like that.......I'd just
> like to keep the aquaponics list focusing on aquaponics.
>
> Thanks.......Steve
>
>
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Subject: Pump safeguards, was Re: height of beds
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 21:01:03 -0500
At 09:55 AM 10/08/2001 -0500, Jay wrote:
>Another thought is damage control. When the return pump fails , and your
>grow beds drain to a sump that has to be pumped back to the fish tank, your
>water will overflow to the ground, fish tank will be pumped nearly dry, and
>lots of fish die. (I learned first hand) On the other hand, if the grow
>beds are higher that the fish tank and drain by gravity, and the pump, (of
>which you now only need one), fails, your plants get a little dry, but they
>can usually deal with it longer than the fish can.
Jay, we would always recommend a fish tank pump with a float switch of some
sort. Even if you have your system set on a timer, a float switch back-up
is a good idea in order to prevent just the scenario you describe. Of
course there is the rare occasion when the float switch malfunctions,
causing the outgoing pump to continuously run until the tank is dry, and we
have had that happen. The sumps we currently use have a method to piggyback
a second float, and that's what we've done. We place the second float on
the outgoing water pipe at just below maximum water level. That's the float
that starts the cycle. The secondary float, however, will shut down the
pump (we hope) when and if the first fails and pumps the water too low.
Although this would not necessarily prevent fish deaths in a high density
system, it will give the fish in a low density system enough water to
survive until "the calvary" arrives, although you can bet they won't be
especially happy until then.
When we've had a return water pump fail, it always shuts down the outgoing
water because not enough is returned to the fish tank to restart the cycle.
And if it happens during a hot sumemr day, you can stress the plants
somewhat. But that still leaves the fish with at least 70% of their water,
and they seem not to suffer as long as it doesn't happen immediately after a
heavy feeding....or unless the individual checking the system fails to do so.
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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Subject: Re: Pacu and blow hard problem
From: (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 22:05:57 -0500 (CDT)
Steve Spring I just ordered you 140 more Pacu they should be in late
next monday afternoon so they will most likely be put into the Koi tank
again to be picked up when you can.
Steve Red I am working on getting you the address and phone number of
the Filipino Pacu supplier Dennis just returned from vacation
Gerry you have a strange way of influencing friends by making
enemies of them. First you Insult Arlos then you tried Me,
Mark,Kriss,Conrad ,Steve and his blood kin. Your a regular bull in a
china cabinet. You called true combat veterans cowards because they
already have fought in one nasty corporate led war and are cautious
about entering another. You call them pacifist communists for these
views .
You fake. If you hate that much why don't you just grab a gun and
shoot the closest person that CLAIMS to hold the Ideals you hate.Now You
Claim to be a Christian and because you are from Utah You Are Most
likely LDS as am I Right ! Quick! Get your Gun and cock it, go to the
window and get ready because ones coming by. Oh by the way did you Know
that your lord preached pacifism his entire life and that he lived a
communal life style! Yes Jesus was a Communist as are all of his
prophets by your standards Now quick shoot the closest of his
followers.No! No! be a man and don't shoot your self in the foot aim
just a bit higher and do the world a favor. ............One things sure
your parents wouldn't drown a sick cat. Your proof .
You come across as the type that buy medals from army surplus while
claiming to have won them in battel. A blow hard passing gas from both
ends.......Go blow kisses at you favorite goat
Bruce
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Subject: REMINDER - list etiquette (selected sections to suit the day)
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 22:23:53 -0500
Selected quotes from your "welcome" message:
Tom and I agreed to sponsor this list because we believe there's a great
deal of benefit in being able to freely exchange information with others of
common interest. And, we love to talk about this practice of combining
aquaculture and hydroponics methods. It's what we do, and we feel we can
only learn more by participating in a group where that is the primary
topic.
An open forum mail group was our final decision, as opposed to a moderated
or by-special-invitation-only list. It's provided without charge and
without restriction, other than that which common courtesy dictates. We
really enjoy this list and want it to continue to be a productive forum for
information exchange.
II. LIST ETIQUETTE/COMMUNITY
This list is primarily a source for exchange of information on aquaponics.
However, topics you believe to be of general interest are encouraged and
invited. We only ask that you consider the topic and length of the post
before sending. If questionable, please send a summation and request
private inquiries.
We are a highly diverse group from many different countries, cultures and
backgrounds, and do not identify as a whole with any particular religion,
creed, political party or anything else. Please accept reponsibility for
keeping the discussion respectful and reasonable, even in disagreements, or
take your discussion off-list. The variety of needs, plans, proposed uses,
sizes of operation, locations, interests and "experience" levels expressed
by those
who've written us indicate that there will be times where this may be
necessary.
Although this list is unmoderated, there are some things which will cause
your name to be deleted from the group, so be warned:
1) SPAMMING the list with any advertising material other than the
designated Ad Day. We do have people on the list who have aquaponics-related
businesses, and it is acceptable to post information about the business in
response to an inquiry about your particular line of work, to mention it in
passing if you are a regular contributor, or to post a link to a web page
describing your business. Spamming is considered to be either information
that is obviously a non-specific "form letter" that is sent to many
different places, or references to your business in *repeated* postings
that are unsolicited (no one on the list asked you for the information).
2) SLANDER of another individual on the list. Stating a negative OPINION
about someone is not considered slander, although we certainly ask you to
exercise good manners and not resort to name-calling. Slander means
accusing a person of something you cannot prove is true, e.g. that another
list member has a drug problem or anything that may similarly reflect badly
on the person's character. Publicly posting private information about
another person, e.g. addresses, phone numbers or family members' names,
without the person's consent is also considered slander.
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