Aquaponics Digest - Wed 10/10/01
Message 1: RE: fish food
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 2: RE: SOLAR DEHYDRATOR
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 3: Re: healing herbs
from Arlus Farnsworth
Message 4: Re: losing flowers and other greenhouse stuff
from Arlus Farnsworth
Message 5: Greywater
from "TGTX"
Message 6: Re: losing flowers and other greenhouse stuff
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 7: Re: Fw: tilapia abundance
from Mick
Message 8: Re: losing flowers and other greenhouse stuff
from Mick
Message 9: Internship in MD
from "Elina Toole"
Message 10: RE: Greywater
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 11: RE: healing herbs
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 12: Re: losing flowers and other greenhouse stuff
from (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 13: Winged Bean
from DAVEINBHAM@aol.com
Message 14: Re: losing flowers and other greenhouse stuff
from Mick
Message 15: Re: Pacu and blow hard problem
from (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 16: Re: SOLAR DEHYDRATOR
from "Brent Bingham"
Message 17: another niche market
from Mick
Message 18: Re: losing flowers and other greenhouse stuff
from Mick
Message 19: RE: Pacu and blow hard problem
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 20: RE: SOLAR DEHYDRATOR-Fish Smoker
from "Hurst, Steve ( China)"
Message 21: Re: another niche market
from "Brent Bingham"
Message 22: Re: SOLAR DEHYDRATOR-Fish Smoker
from "Brent Bingham"
Message 23: Re: losing flowers and other greenhouse stuff
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 24: Re: Winged Bean
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 25: RE: SOLAR DEHYDRATOR-Fish Smoker
from "Hurst, Steve ( China)"
Message 26: Re: Winged Bean
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 27: Re: SOLAR DEHYDRATOR
from conrad wilkins
Message 28: RE: Winged Bean
from "Hurst, Steve ( China)"
Message 29: Re: Niche markets
from (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 30: Re: Winged Bean
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 31: Re: losing flowers and other greenhouse stuff
from (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 32: RE: Winged Bean
from "Hurst, Steve ( China)"
Message 33: Re: Niche markets
from Jenny Reed
Message 34: Re: losing flowers and other greenhouse stuff
from Arlus Farnsworth
Message 35: Re: Pacu and blow hard problem
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 36: Re: Pacu and blow hard problem
from "gerry magnuson"
Message 37: Home Power Magazine - Thermo-Electric-Generator (TEG)
from "bennett"
Message 38: Re: Pacu and blow hard problem
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 39: Re: Niche markets
from (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 40: Re: Pod order
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 41: Re: Fwd. AQUAPONICS COURSE
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 42: Fwd. - North Carolina Greenhouse Vegetable Growers
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 43: Re: Home Power Magazine - Thermo-Electric-Generator (TEG)
from "Nick"
Message 44: Re: Packaging wholesale basil
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 45: Re: Hi Paula, Would you like some help?
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 46: RE: Internship in MD
from "Nelson and Pade"
Message 47: Re: Home Power Magazine - Thermo-Electric-Generator (TEG)
from "bennett"
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Subject: RE: fish food
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 00:10:24 -0500
I haven't built it yet built it uses plywood, optional polystyrene
insulation
and heating cable. It can be used outside.
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my typing hasn't improved since I've been gone...nor my proof reading
(I'll blame it on the long day)
should have been "...but it uses plywood...." oh well...at least I was on
topic for a change...see steve?...I haven't forgotten what the list is about
LOL>
later...
mark
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Subject: RE: SOLAR DEHYDRATOR
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 00:17:17 -0500
Thanks for the links kris...
this is another nice page
http://www.littlecolorado.org/solar.htm
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Subject: Re: healing herbs
From: Arlus Farnsworth
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 02:52:36 -0700
more thoughts:
Cooking herbs are always expensive at the store... and excess inventory
can be dried. I have found an aquatic mint that grows in the gravel
banks of local creeks with the watercress in the summer. What are the
considerations for adapting local cultivars, quarantine? Are there any
economical varieties of reeds... other than grass? Another niche market
could be alternate forms of flour (such as cat-tail) than wheat for
people with allergies. What about something with pigment for natural
cosmetics? Or aromatic for perfume, incense and soap.
conrad wilkins wrote:
>
> Has anyone tried looking into the market of herbs or plants for the
> natural health market. thats a huge and fast growing market. The chinese
> medicines that are becoming so popular now all require the herbsmmost if
> not all imported ( location depends on that perspective). Most Im sure
> are dried but still a check with a chinese apothocary might reviel a
> niche market. Of course legality of growing some of these herbs would
> have to be checked out.
> There are many herbs for teas sold in loose form or just herbs for
> cooking, usually in a dry state that fetch quite a high price per pound.
> A drier isnt that hard to make out of simple parts available at any
> hardware store. Spices also for the asian market.
> Just thowing out ideas.
>
> To your health... Conrad
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Subject: Re: losing flowers and other greenhouse stuff
From: Arlus Farnsworth
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 02:55:39 -0700
I don't know about the zucchini flower drop / non fruit set. Maybe it
has to do with the water nutrient level, then again perhaps not.
Regardless, you could put in an expansion tray after the main tray to
remove additional nutrients...
Mick wrote:
>
> My zucchini plants are a healthy green color. Average size. They get
> large blooms which last a day or two. The blooms then fall off with no
> crop produced.
>
> I've tried leaving the blooms alone and I've tried helping the
> pollination process. Neither works.
>
> At the moment, the nutrient load in my system is pretty rich. My
> tilapia are maturing at such a volume that it is taxing the system's
> ability to keep the water chemicals balanced. Is this the problem with
> crop production of the zucchini? Too rich?
>
> We've cleaned and cooked five dozen large tilapia in the last two weeks
> in order to ease the load on the system. We're producing more than we
> can eat but not enough to start marketing them as we'll need additional
> hardware to transport them. Does anyone happen to know a good way to
> smoke fish that will preserve them?
>
> Oh! and while I'm asking.. I'd appreciate new recipes for cooking
> tilapia. We're frying them in a cornmeal batter or we're baking them
> with lemon butter. Any other ideas?
>
> Appreciate any help you can offer,
> Mick
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Subject: Greywater
From: "TGTX"
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 06:18:48 -0500
Sorry for the bad poetry last post. It'll never happen ag.., uh, I'll
refrain from..uh, the Muse will not strike very often in the future, let's
hope.
Anyway, so here is something on greywater.
Cheers. Here's mud in your eye!
(If anyone wants to know the origin of that phrase, I will tell
them....O.K., so since you asked, it involved drinking mead at a great rate
of speed, so that the dregs at the bottom of the mug would strike one in the
face, such was the guzzling rate, so it became fashionable to declare
"Here's mead in your eye". I am not kidding. Would I kid you?)
http://www.humboldt.edu/%7Eccat/sub/greyw.html
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Subject: Re: losing flowers and other greenhouse stuff
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:23:53 -0500
Some varieties of zucchini produce almost all male flowers, which
would not produce fruit. Is it possible that you have one of these
varieties? Check with the seed source.
> I don't know about the zucchini flower drop / non fruit set. Maybe
it
> has to do with the water nutrient level, then again perhaps not.
Adriana
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Subject: Re: Fw: tilapia abundance
From: Mick
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:30:46 -0500
Hiromi Iwashige wrote:
>
> Mick,
> My mouth waters at your description of your "problem" with too many
> tilapia.
________________________________________________________________________
You will love raising these fish if you aren't already doing so. They
are incredibly hardy. They even survive out of water for quite some
time. We accidentally overfilled a tank and remembered the water was on
about an hour later. About fifty 1/2 lb. fish were on the concrete
floor in less than an inch of water. Most of them were still alive.
Mick
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Subject: Re: losing flowers and other greenhouse stuff
From: Mick
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:39:08 -0500
gutierrez-lagatta wrote:
>
> Some varieties of zucchini produce almost all male flowers, which
> would not produce fruit. Is it possible that you have one of these
> varieties? Check with the seed source.
> > I don't know about the zucchini flower drop / non fruit set. Maybe
> it
> > has to do with the water nutrient level, then again perhaps not.
>
> Adriana
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Adriana, aw heck.. you're probably right. I'll call the company today
and check on it.
I wish you lived closer. I'd love to come see your operation and pick
your brain for an afternoon. How many years have you been doing this?
Whatever problem I run into, you seem to have conquered it in your
operation. I really appreciate you sharing your time and wisdom with
this newbie.
Mick
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Subject: Internship in MD
From: "Elina Toole"
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:34:13 -0400
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Subject: RE: Greywater
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:07:44 -0500
Cheers. Here's mud in your eye!
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LOL...you kill me sometimes, Ted. No need to apologize.
We need more humor in the world. Thanks for the link.
I've been interested in this kind of stuff ever since I was
a municipal wastewater treatment operator many years ago.
One day I was reading Biocycle magazine and discovered the
work of John Todd and his "living machines"...I was hooked.
http://www.oceanarks.org/Education/Manual/FramerMANUAL.html
this is a nice educational tool...
http://www.livingmachines.com/pdfs/ecoeng.pdf
this is a pdf file entitled...
"The Design of Living Technologies for Wastewater Treatment"
interesting stuff...
peace...
mark
ps...I thought the mud in your eye saying came from us wastewater
operators cleaning digesters with fire hoses...LOL>
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Subject: RE: healing herbs
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:13:57 -0500
Another niche market could be alternate forms of flour
(such as cat-tail) than wheat for people with allergies.
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here is a real nice article on cattails...
http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles/duffyk43.html
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Subject: Re: losing flowers and other greenhouse stuff
From: (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:00:25 -0500 (CDT)
Mick If anything your system is not producing enough of a nutrient load
to support fruiting crops like tomatoes and squash, have you tried
caging a rabbit hutch over your fish tank to help things along?or adding
some miracle grow fertilizer? I would not harvest Tilapia until they are
real big and will give you huge boneless fillets so you can get top
dollar for them.I personally would not smoke Tilapia you need an oily
fish for that but they might make good jerky if you watch them close.
I've smoked thousands of fish,Being a commercial fisherman we are always
trying to get more bang for our buck . Smoking is not hard .First you
must brine the meat,fish,fowl,turtle or road kill in a vat. I used a
plastic container fill it with water and add salt and some brown sugar
to flote an egg keep this cool! the fish should be in this brine 24 to
48 hours then hang or rack them in your smoke house.An old refrigerator
works fine and it comes with racks. on the top of the back side cut
out a 6 inch diameter flew hole.
get an electric hot plate for the bottom this is your heat source and a
cake pan this will hold the saw dust . fill pan with fine hard wood saw
dust.( wet the sawdust make it very wet! swirl your fingers in the saw
dust so you get a cone shaped void in it. you do this so you get smoke
and not fire) and just plug the hot plate in, check tilapia in about 3
hours
Bruce
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Subject: Winged Bean
From: DAVEINBHAM@aol.com
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:11:00 EDT
Adriana,
The winged bean seed sold by Thompson & Morgan ( Vigna unguiculata
sesquipedalis ) is not the same winged bean our friends in the tropics are
talking about. They are entirely different critters.
The T&M winged bean will not grow here because our weather is not cold
enough.I have tried quite unsuccessfuly to grow it here.
The tropical winged bean ( Psophocarpus tetragonolobus ), I am told by a
scientist at USDA, will also not grow here because our weather is too cold
for it.( It has been grown sussessfully in Lower Alabama, 300 miles South of
here.) I have not tried to grow it because I can not find a seed source. This
bean is photoperiodic. It will not flower until after the nights are longer
than the days. By then there is not enough time for the seeds to mature
before frost at our latitude. Also, I understand, the leaves and flowers of
this bean are edible too. It also forms an underground tuber which is also
edible.
I hope this helps.
Kindest regards,
Dave
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Subject: Re: losing flowers and other greenhouse stuff
From: Mick
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:24:29 -0500
( wet the sawdust make it very wet! swirl your fingers in the saw
> dust so you get a cone shaped void in it. you do this so you get smoke
> and not fire) and just plug the hot plate in, check tilapia in about 3
> hours
> Bruce
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I printed this. What a great idea for a smoker. I'll bet salmon
prepared this way is tasty.
Thanks for the smoker, Bruce!
Mick
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Subject: Re: Pacu and blow hard problem
From: (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:44:23 -0500 (CDT)
Arlus I was talking in terms that a racist would agree with attacking
him with his own logic, off list he has come down hard on non whites and
they like Steve and I that have mixed race kids .On list he has attacked
most of our regular contributors shutting down our input considerably
some have left the list and I am tired of talking them back on, I hope
we hear from Marc and Mike in Jamaica he's gotten quiet lately and
Arlos will return soon I believe this was why !This list will be useless
if we let a jerk run off such brain power don't you agree?
Bruce
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Subject: Re: SOLAR DEHYDRATOR
From: "Brent Bingham"
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:27:13 -0700
Many of the people down hear in Mexico use old refrigerators as the base of
there dehydrators and smokers. Much of the fish that cannot be sold fresh is
smoked . Much of the ; fruit, herbs and vegetables are dried because of a
lack of power. The old mettle lined refrigerators make the best smokers due
to the higher heat but the newer ones work but they are plastic. They cut a
hole in the top an bottom. The top has a brick to cover the hole to control
smoke and air flow up the box. The bottom sits on a stack of brick with a
opining in the back or side to feed in the wood. They said not to put the
opining in the door side to feed in wood. The heat and smoke hinders working
in the box on the open side. We have used this design for years. We have
found old oak wine and booze barrels to us to make smoke but we have
mesquite wood we normally use due to the good flavor. They dry or smoke
almost everything to preserve it out of necessity we do it for taste.
Smoked dried vegetables keep all year and give many dishes a very good
taste.
At the end of there season they pull up there cherry tomatoes vines full of
fruit.
They hang the vines under the rafters to dry out the fruit faster. You can
put the dried fruit in a food processor or blender and add the powder to
soups or salsa. It is very good.
Brent
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From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 10:17 PM
Subject: RE: SOLAR DEHYDRATOR
> Thanks for the links kris...
>
> this is another nice page
>
> http://www.littlecolorado.org/solar.htm
>
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Subject: another niche market
From: Mick
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:48:52 -0500
My sister does craftwork as a hobby. She tells me that decorative
gourds bring a healthy price on the net. Looking into it, I found
gourds that ranged in price from $5 to $20 a piece. Organically raised
gourds bring a higher price because folks use them to create functional
bowls.
The vines that produce the gourds take a great deal of room to climb and
spread. It also takes a considerable investment in time as the gourds
must dry for a year. The profit potential would make that worth my time
if I were selling the high-end gourds. In addition, some of the gourds
I looked at were decorated with a wood burning tool and varnished. I
could do that myself and gain the end market price of the bowls.
I think I'll try this in raised beds near the greenhouse next spring. I
have wild gourds out in the pasture. They're too small for my needs but
perhaps they are indicative of the ability of gourds to flourish in this
area. I'm gonna research it at any rate.
Just another niche market idea. Keep those ideas coming!
Mick
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Subject: Re: losing flowers and other greenhouse stuff
From: Mick
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:07:04 -0500
Arlus Farnsworth wrote:
>
> I don't know about the zucchini flower drop / non fruit set. Maybe it
> has to do with the water nutrient level, then again perhaps not.
> Regardless, you could put in an expansion tray after the main tray to
> remove additional nutrients...
>
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Arlus,
Ayep, I'm pacing in anticipation of ordering more plant trays and an
additional growout tank. My bank account says I can do it later this
month. I can't wait! You'd think a gardener would have more patience.
Mick
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Subject: RE: Pacu and blow hard problem
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:05:59 -0500
Bruce,
I think Arlos just had too many irons in the fire. At least I hope
that is why he left and not because of things on the list. Mike was
sick last I heard from him. I hope he is feeling better. Like you,
I have pretty thick skin. Their will be times when we don't see eye to
eye with each other...and that's fine....as long as we keep a cool head
and respect each other's differences. I like diversity of experience,
locations and thoughts on the list. I usually try to ignore things
that don't deserve the energy it takes to reply....just let it roll off
like water off a duck's back.
take care my friend,
mark
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Arlus I was talking in terms that a racist would agree with attacking
him with his own logic, off list he has come down hard on non whites and
they like Steve and I that have mixed race kids .On list he has attacked
most of our regular contributors shutting down our input considerably
some have left the list and I am tired of talking them back on, I hope
we hear from Marc and Mike in Jamaica he's gotten quiet lately and
Arlos will return soon I believe this was why !This list will be useless
if we let a jerk run off such brain power don't you agree?
Bruce
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Subject: RE: SOLAR DEHYDRATOR-Fish Smoker
From: "Hurst, Steve ( China)"
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 02:06:53 +0800
Nice idea on that smoker Brent,
Thats now on my "shopping list" for when I get home.
Could probably get 10 rows of fish in that old fridge !
Briliant!
How long have you been leaving them in the smoke by the way ?
Steve H
SNIP
Many of the people down hear in Mexico use old refrigerators as the base of
there dehydrators and smokers. Much of the fish that cannot be sold fresh is
smoked .
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Subject: Re: another niche market
From: "Brent Bingham"
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:25:17 -0700
We have 5 acres in this year. We have planted 7 varieties and have shut off
the water to allow them to start drying out. They got way out of hand, the
vines went all over. We planted them 8 feet apart in all directions. They
soon covered out into the road. The weeds took over because we could not
walk in it to chop them out. The red root, pig weeds are 5 feet tall now but
there are gourds about every 3 feet or closer together. We wish we had
sprayed a preimergent to stop or slow the weeds. We are going to sell them
to a broker unless we can find a better market.
Brent
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From: "Mick"
To: "aquaponics newsgroup"
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 10:48 AM
Subject: another niche market
> My sister does craftwork as a hobby. She tells me that decorative
> gourds bring a healthy price on the net. Looking into it, I found
> gourds that ranged in price from $5 to $20 a piece. Organically raised
> gourds bring a higher price because folks use them to create functional
> bowls.
>
> The vines that produce the gourds take a great deal of room to climb and
> spread. It also takes a considerable investment in time as the gourds
> must dry for a year. The profit potential would make that worth my time
> if I were selling the high-end gourds. In addition, some of the gourds
> I looked at were decorated with a wood burning tool and varnished. I
> could do that myself and gain the end market price of the bowls.
>
> I think I'll try this in raised beds near the greenhouse next spring. I
> have wild gourds out in the pasture. They're too small for my needs but
> perhaps they are indicative of the ability of gourds to flourish in this
> area. I'm gonna research it at any rate.
>
> Just another niche market idea. Keep those ideas coming!
> Mick
>
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Subject: Re: SOLAR DEHYDRATOR-Fish Smoker
From: "Brent Bingham"
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:35:10 -0700
We package a lot of ours so we do not leave them in as long as those who
cannot store them any other way. We go 24 hours plus 4 hours for each 1/4
inch thick the meat is. They leave the skin on, skin down. They will put
peppers, chilies or other herbs and things on and in the fish as they dry
them. It is surprising how good some of it is and it keeps a long time. Some
of it is like jerky.
Brent
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From: "Hurst, Steve ( China)"
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 11:06 AM
Subject: RE: SOLAR DEHYDRATOR-Fish Smoker
> Nice idea on that smoker Brent,
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> Thats now on my "shopping list" for when I get home.
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Subject: Re: losing flowers and other greenhouse stuff
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:01:41 -0500
Schucks, Mick! You're welcome to come visit - where are you located?
> I wish you lived closer. I'd love to come see your operation and
pick
> your brain for an afternoon.
I've been growing hands-on for 2 1/2 years, but I've been on this list
for 3. I first read an article on Paula and Tom's operation in April
of 1998 at which point I signed up for this fabulous list-server and
started a voracious research program. I went to a workshop on
aquaponics in June of 1998 and set up a prototype hydro-only system at
home in October of 1998. I set up a 3000 sq ft hydro greenhouse in
Florida which I ran for about 18 months before moving to Birmingham.
It took a while to find a place to set up shop but finally in June of
this year I set up a 16' x 72' shadehouse and will be seeding a 3000
sq ft greenhouse by the end of this week. I still haven't added a
fish component. but I find the philosophy of this group to be "kindred
spirits".
> How many years have you been doing this?
There's no substitute for the learning curve. And geez! It can be
steep sometimes. I love to help people because the members of this
list have been very generous to me with their hard-earned knowledge.
> Whatever problem I run into, you seem to have conquered it in your
> operation. I really appreciate you sharing your time and wisdom
with
> this newbie.
Adriana
ps - if your zucchinis only produce flowers you can use them for frid
or stuffed blossoms - some chefs will pay $1 for 3 of them....
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Subject: Re: Winged Bean
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:09:08 -0500
Dave,
I assume that the tropical one would do fine in a greenhouse?
> The tropical winged bean ( Psophocarpus tetragonolobus ), I am told
by a
> scientist at USDA, will also not grow here because our weather is
too cold
> for it
Adriana
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Subject: RE: SOLAR DEHYDRATOR-Fish Smoker
From: "Hurst, Steve ( China)"
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 03:45:02 +0800
Thanks Brent,
Will give it a shot.. including the Chillies,
Steve H
-----Original Message-----
From: Brent Bingham [mailto:]
Sent: 11 October 2001 02:35
To: aquaponics@townsqr.com
Subject: Re: SOLAR DEHYDRATOR-Fish Smoker
We package a lot of ours so we do not leave them in as long as those who
cannot store them any other way. We go 24 hours plus 4 hours for each 1/4
inch thick the meat is. They leave the skin on, skin down. They will put
peppers, chilies or other herbs and things on and in the fish as they dry
them. It is surprising how good some of it is and it keeps a long time. Some
of it is like jerky.
Brent
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hurst, Steve ( China)"
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 11:06 AM
Subject: RE: SOLAR DEHYDRATOR-Fish Smoker
> Nice idea on that smoker Brent,
snip
> Thats now on my "shopping list" for when I get home.
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Subject: Re: Winged Bean
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:43:48 -0500
Oops! Dave, according to the awesome reference Cornucopia, a
Sourcebook of Edible Plants, it appears that there is a Winged PEA and
a Winged BEAN. The Pea variety is different from the two bean
varieties you mentioned below. I believe that what I have from T & M
sold as Asparagus Pea is the Winged PEA(Tetragonolus Purpurea) also
known as Asparagus Pea and Bin Dow. The pods are best eaten when less
than 1" long. If you go to
http://www.thompson-morgan.com/seeds/us/sindex.html?idx=vegetable_peas
pods you can see a photo. Maybe Steve can verifiy if this is the one
he was referring to. Cornucopia makes no mention of cold weather and
the T & M seed package says to sow in the spring, and makes no
reference to a chill requirement.
The Winged Bean ( Psophocarpus tetragonolobus ), is also known as Goa
Bean and does have edible roots, leaves flowers and beans.
Cornucopia says Vigna unguiculata sesquipedalis is the Asparagus BEAN
(hold the wings :>)) or Yard Long Bean or Dow Gauk, which I believe
are those wonderful yard-long green beans which have to be harvested
at much smaller than a yard to be edible. Cornucopia lists a dozen
cultivars. I grew these successfully in Florida with no chilling.
> The winged bean seed sold by Thompson & Morgan ( Vigna unguiculata
> sesquipedalis ) is not the same winged bean our friends in the
tropics are
> talking about. They are entirely different critters.
>
> The T&M winged bean will not grow here because our weather is not
cold
> enough.I have tried quite unsuccessfuly to grow it here.
>
> The tropical winged bean ( Psophocarpus tetragonolobus ), I am told
by a
> scientist at USDA, will also not grow here because our weather is
too cold
> for it.
Are we all really confused aout our wings, peas, beans and asparagus
now?
Adriana
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Subject: Re: SOLAR DEHYDRATOR
From: conrad wilkins
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:34:32 -0500
Thanks for the links Kris.
Im up here in B.C. Canada. In my particular town we dont get enough
sun power in the harvest season to dry the plants by solar power alone
generaly. My friend built his as a simple plywood four sided box. One of
those sides being a door. The bottom and top were left open. To cover the
topsimply put a small block maybe 3/4 inch in each corner then drop a
piece of plywood on top of that to cover the top. This gives space for
the air to move out around the sides. The whole box is set up ontop of a
simple framework that again will be closed in except for a opening for
air to enter. Inside this bottom frame put a small ceramic space heater.
Thermostatically controlled. Now open the door of the main box and secure
some runners (strips of wood ) parallel to eachother on either side.
These will be for the drying trays to sit on. Your drying frames are
simply made with a framework of wood that will fit into the box on the
runners and allow the door to close. Cover these frames with a mesh. Best
to locate some stainless steel mesh if you can as the majority of the
meshes available in the hardware store are of a material that is likely
to give off toxins no matter how TRACE they are, avoid if possible. You
may be able to find the same mess that is used in the comertialy
available driers.
Then all you do is put the product on the trays spread out so air
will pass all around and through the trays. Stack them in your drier on
the runners, turn on the heater and close the door. The tower chimney
effect will dry them very well. You can insulate the box to keep the heat
in and you can stack these pretty high. Rotate the trays ocasionally. A
buffer right above the heater will prevent superheated air hitting the
first row of produce.
Chow for now Conrad
kris book wrote:
> Conrad,
>
> Here's a couple of solar food dehydrators, one that is almost free to
> build and the second link is a real nice home made model.
>
> kris
>
> http://www.i4at.org/surv/soldehyd.htm
>
> http://www.homepower.com/download2.htm#Solar
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Subject: RE: Winged Bean
From: "Hurst, Steve ( China)"
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 04:46:22 +0800
Adriana, Dave,
Not sure what it is . Looked at the descriptions and pictures
for the two types below.
Pods and BLACK seeds look the same as the ones in the pics,
for Psophocarpus tetragonolobus,
but the description ( large Flowers ) of Psophocarpus grandiflorus
also sounds like the one. The pods grow about 6 to 12 inches long when they
are harvested.
Psophocarpus tetragonolobus
Psophocarpus grandiflorus
http://rimmo.mur.csu.edu.au/Plantnames/Sorting/Psophocarpus.html
http://www.gene.affrc.go.jp/htbin/plant/image/get_logo_e?plno=54242001
I am currently asking some of my Chinese Colleagues if they eat the leaves
and flowers of the Winged beans over here (Si Jiao Dou), but drawn a blank
so far. Nobody seems to know.
The "Si Jiao Dou" I eat in China and the "Sigarylas" I eat in the
Philippines, look
and taste the same.
The Asparagus Pea pic on Thompson Morgan site looks the same "shape", but
all the Pictures
I have found so far showing all these types of vegetables show them the same
shape.
I have noticed that they have different colour flowers though. That may be a
better way
to identify them. I will be heading back home this weekend, and will try to
find
out what flowers they produce. My Wife says White, but another colleague of
mine
I work with from the Philippines says Red. It may be there are several
different
species.
Anyway, when I find the answer I will post it.
Steve H
SNIP
pods you can see a photo. Maybe Steve can verifiy if this is the one
he was referring to. Cornucopia makes no mention of cold weather and
the T & M seed package says to sow in the spring, and makes no
reference to a chill requirement.
The Winged Bean ( Psophocarpus tetragonolobus ), is also known as Goa
Bean and does have edible roots, leaves flowers and beans.
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Subject: Re: Niche markets
From: (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:20:22 -0500 (CDT)
Cattails acre for acre out produce all other flour crops and to my taste
bread made from it is of the highest flavor sorta nutty. The only
problem with it is harvesting and washing the roots from the wild, if it
was grown on racks Aquaponicly with out the mud there would be great
potential for it.
Has any one thought to grow Aquarium plants for sale to pet shops?
most are grown out of water and are shipped from Europe You want a high
paying niche market I just gave you one
Bruce
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Subject: Re: Winged Bean
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:16:11 -0500
If the ones that you are interested in are harvested at 6-12 inches
then it is definitely not the Asparagus Pea (tetragonolobus purpurea).
It sounds like Psophocarpus tetragonolobus is what you are after. By
the way there are day-neutral varieties which do not require short
days to bloom. ECHO has 6 varieties on its list
http://www.echonet.org/seeds/OS_seed_catalogue/leguminous_vegetables.h
tm but you may have to make a special request to get them to sell them
to you as they are not on the "homeowner's list" but rather on the
"deveopment worker's" list. I think a friendly e-mail should do the
trick...Cornucopia lists other seed sources:but they tend to be
obscure and out-of-date since my edition is 11 years old.
> for Psophocarpus tetragonolobus,
> but the description ( large Flowers ) of Psophocarpus grandiflorus
> also sounds like the one. The pods grow about 6 to 12 inches long
when they
> are harvested.
> Psophocarpus tetragonolobus
> Psophocarpus grandiflorus
> http://rimmo.mur.csu.edu.au/Plantnames/Sorting/Psophocarpus.html
>
http://www.gene.affrc.go.jp/htbin/plant/image/get_logo_e?plno=54242001
Adriana
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Subject: Re: losing flowers and other greenhouse stuff
From: (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:33:25 -0500 (CDT)
This time of year you can buy second hand above ground pools and new
ones on sale for almost free.
I picked up a 4ft X18ft round dough boy for $300 not long ago hows that
for a grow out tank? put an add in the paper for one it can save you a
buck or two
Bruce
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Subject: RE: Winged Bean
From: "Hurst, Steve ( China)"
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 05:37:09 +0800
Thanks for the detailed answer Adriana,
That "Cornucopia" book sounds extremely useful.
Would that book of yours have an ISBN number on it by
any chance ? My local bookstore reckons he can order up any
book I want if I have an ISBN number.
Incidentally, my Chinese Colleagues have told me that
their name for the Winged Bean ( Si Jaou Dou ) literally means
"Four Seasons", as it takes all four seasons to get the plant to go
from Seed to ready to eat.
Steve H
SNIP
Cornucopia lists other seed sources:
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Subject: Re: Niche markets
From: Jenny Reed
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 17:39:48 -0400 (EDT)
>
> Cattails acre for acre out produce all other flour crops and to my taste
> bread made from it is of the highest flavor sorta nutty. The only
> problem with it is harvesting and washing the roots from the wild, if it
> was grown on racks Aquaponicly with out the mud there would be great
> potential for it.
Bread from cattails? That sounds interesting. I take it that you make
flour from ground-up roots? (That's unusual in itself, most breads are
made from ground-up seeds, as I understand it.)
Smile :)
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Subject: Re: losing flowers and other greenhouse stuff
From: Arlus Farnsworth
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:23:41 -0700
miracle grow lends a slight but distinct chemical off taste in my humble
opinion.
> have you tried
> caging a rabbit hutch over your fish tank to help things along?or adding
> some miracle grow fertilizer?
Bruce Schreiber wrote:
>
> Mick If anything your system is not producing enough of a nutrient load
> to support fruiting crops like tomatoes and squash, have you tried
> caging a rabbit hutch over your fish tank to help things along?or adding
> some miracle grow fertilizer? I would not harvest Tilapia until they are
> real big and will give you huge boneless fillets so you can get top
> dollar for them.I personally would not smoke Tilapia you need an oily
> fish for that but they might make good jerky if you watch them close.
> I've smoked thousands of fish,Being a commercial fisherman we are always
> trying to get more bang for our buck . Smoking is not hard .First you
> must brine the meat,fish,fowl,turtle or road kill in a vat. I used a
> plastic container fill it with water and add salt and some brown sugar
> to flote an egg keep this cool! the fish should be in this brine 24 to
> 48 hours then hang or rack them in your smoke house.An old refrigerator
> works fine and it comes with racks. on the top of the back side cut
> out a 6 inch diameter flew hole.
> get an electric hot plate for the bottom this is your heat source and a
> cake pan this will hold the saw dust . fill pan with fine hard wood saw
> dust.( wet the sawdust make it very wet! swirl your fingers in the saw
> dust so you get a cone shaped void in it. you do this so you get smoke
> and not fire) and just plug the hot plate in, check tilapia in about 3
> hours
> Bruce
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Subject: Re: Pacu and blow hard problem
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 19:20:26 -0500
Hi gang,
I passed an email that I received from Gerry on to Bruce because I was so
"breathless" at the hatred that Gerry showed toward Philippinos. (I have
many, many Philippino friends who are "truly" class act people.) I didn't
want to respond to Gerry because I am incapable of the hatred that he shows.
I even emailed Paula that "I have a problem." I never followed up on this
email.I was even thinking about unsubscribing from this list...as a matter
of fact, I came down here tonight to do just that. But, if I have Bruce on
my side......."screw Gerry".
I'm cleaning tanks right now and I have to go. Thanks again to my friend,
Bruce.
Steve :) I hate to use this as a chat list, but this has been seriously
bothering me.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Schreiber"
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: Pacu and blow hard problem
Steve Spring I just ordered you 140 more Pacu they should be in late
next monday afternoon so they will most likely be put into the Koi tank
again to be picked up when you can.
Steve Red I am working on getting you the address and phone number of
the Filipino Pacu supplier Dennis just returned from vacation
Gerry you have a strange way of influencing friends by making
enemies of them. First you Insult Arlos then you tried Me,
Mark,Kriss,Conrad ,Steve and his blood kin. Your a regular bull in a
china cabinet. You called true combat veterans cowards because they
already have fought in one nasty corporate led war and are cautious
about entering another. You call them pacifist communists for these
views .
You fake. If you hate that much why don't you just grab a gun and
shoot the closest person that CLAIMS to hold the Ideals you hate.Now You
Claim to be a Christian and because you are from Utah You Are Most
likely LDS as am I Right ! Quick! Get your Gun and cock it, go to the
window and get ready because ones coming by. Oh by the way did you Know
that your lord preached pacifism his entire life and that he lived a
communal life style! Yes Jesus was a Communist as are all of his
prophets by your standards Now quick shoot the closest of his
followers.No! No! be a man and don't shoot your self in the foot aim
just a bit higher and do the world a favor. ............One things sure
your parents wouldn't drown a sick cat. Your proof .
You come across as the type that buy medals from army surplus while
claiming to have won them in battel. A blow hard passing gas from both
ends.......Go blow kisses at you favorite goat
Bruce
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Subject: Re: Pacu and blow hard problem
From: "gerry magnuson"
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:33:11 -1000
steve spring, racist? you bet, I am not a touchy-feely hypocrit such as
yourself and others...you wish to 'screw me?' is that sexual harassment? you
have my e-mail, write me...I lived in the very racist state of hawaii for 16
years...stick to fish and plants, not politics nor religion on this
site...then you will have no problem with me, and others that agree with
me...cowboy
>From: "STEVE SPRING"
>Reply-To: aquaponics@townsqr.com
>
>Subject: Re: Pacu and blow hard problem
>Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 19:20:26 -0500
>
>Hi gang,
>
>I passed an email that I received from Gerry on to Bruce because I was so
>"breathless" at the hatred that Gerry showed toward Philippinos. (I have
>many, many Philippino friends who are "truly" class act people.) I didn't
>want to respond to Gerry because I am incapable of the hatred that he
>shows.
>I even emailed Paula that "I have a problem." I never followed up on this
>email.I was even thinking about unsubscribing from this list...as a matter
>of fact, I came down here tonight to do just that. But, if I have Bruce on
>my side......."screw Gerry".
>
>I'm cleaning tanks right now and I have to go. Thanks again to my friend,
>Bruce.
>
>Steve :) I hate to use this as a chat list, but this has been seriously
>bothering me.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bruce Schreiber"
>
>Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 10:05 PM
>Subject: Re: Pacu and blow hard problem
>
>
>Steve Spring I just ordered you 140 more Pacu they should be in late
>next monday afternoon so they will most likely be put into the Koi tank
>again to be picked up when you can.
> Steve Red I am working on getting you the address and phone number of
>the Filipino Pacu supplier Dennis just returned from vacation
> Gerry you have a strange way of influencing friends by making
>enemies of them. First you Insult Arlos then you tried Me,
>Mark,Kriss,Conrad ,Steve and his blood kin. Your a regular bull in a
>china cabinet. You called true combat veterans cowards because they
>already have fought in one nasty corporate led war and are cautious
>about entering another. You call them pacifist communists for these
>views .
> You fake. If you hate that much why don't you just grab a gun and
>shoot the closest person that CLAIMS to hold the Ideals you hate.Now You
>Claim to be a Christian and because you are from Utah You Are Most
>likely LDS as am I Right ! Quick! Get your Gun and cock it, go to the
>window and get ready because ones coming by. Oh by the way did you Know
>that your lord preached pacifism his entire life and that he lived a
>communal life style! Yes Jesus was a Communist as are all of his
>prophets by your standards Now quick shoot the closest of his
>followers.No! No! be a man and don't shoot your self in the foot aim
>just a bit higher and do the world a favor. ............One things sure
>your parents wouldn't drown a sick cat. Your proof .
> You come across as the type that buy medals from army surplus while
>claiming to have won them in battel. A blow hard passing gas from both
>ends.......Go blow kisses at you favorite goat
>
> Bruce
>
>
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Subject: Home Power Magazine - Thermo-Electric-Generator (TEG)
From: "bennett"
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:46:19 -0400
Have any of you gone to this site:
>> http://www.homepower.com/download2.htm#Solar
and then on to the one about Thermo-Electric-Generator:
http://www.humboldt1.com/~michael.welch/extras/teg.pdf ?
This article was written in 1993. I'd really like to know more about TEGs
or see some updates to this article. Anybody know about how they'd work
with one of the waste oil burners?
D.
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Subject: Re: Pacu and blow hard problem
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:50:24 -0500
Hi Gang,
I guess I rest my case. Sorry Paula, this guy really offended me.
I just had to bring him out. Thanks to Bruce for his help.
No Gerry. No further correspondence is necessary. I think I have proved my
point.
(By the way. Gerry keeps stressing that he lived in Hawaii for 16 years and
he has 3 university degrees. This is where he achieved his hatred for
Philippinos and other Asians. Well, I kind of pale or excel depending on
your outlook. I spent almost the same time throughout SE Asia. I spent many
years in Indonesia, Singapore, Malaysia, Philippines, Viet Nam, China, the
USSR, etc. Did I meet people I didn't like? You bet. But, they were the
minority. Most were "class act" people. Again. Most of these people who are
in the U.S. today, proudly proclaim their U.S. citizenship. Almost none are
on welfare.
I only have 1 University Degree. That must make Gerry much smarter than I
am. Right?
At least, when I piss of people, I do it with a smile on my face and, I
hope, a smile on theirs.)
Later.....Best to everyone......Steve (I think my "socially insensitive"
crown may be in jepordy!! :) :)
I will not respond any further to this.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "gerry magnuson"
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: Pacu and blow hard problem
steve spring, racist? you bet, I am not a touchy-feely hypocrit such as
yourself and others...you wish to 'screw me?' is that sexual harassment? you
have my e-mail, write me...I lived in the very racist state of hawaii for 16
years...stick to fish and plants, not politics nor religion on this
site...then you will have no problem with me, and others that agree with
me...cowboy
>From: "STEVE SPRING"
>Reply-To: aquaponics@townsqr.com
>
>Subject: Re: Pacu and blow hard problem
>Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 19:20:26 -0500
>
>Hi gang,
>
>I passed an email that I received from Gerry on to Bruce because I was so
>"breathless" at the hatred that Gerry showed toward Philippinos. (I have
>many, many Philippino friends who are "truly" class act people.) I didn't
>want to respond to Gerry because I am incapable of the hatred that he
>shows.
>I even emailed Paula that "I have a problem." I never followed up on this
>email.I was even thinking about unsubscribing from this list...as a matter
>of fact, I came down here tonight to do just that. But, if I have Bruce on
>my side......."screw Gerry".
>
>I'm cleaning tanks right now and I have to go. Thanks again to my friend,
>Bruce.
>
>Steve :) I hate to use this as a chat list, but this has been seriously
>bothering me.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bruce Schreiber"
>
>Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 10:05 PM
>Subject: Re: Pacu and blow hard problem
>
>
>Steve Spring I just ordered you 140 more Pacu they should be in late
>next monday afternoon so they will most likely be put into the Koi tank
>again to be picked up when you can.
> Steve Red I am working on getting you the address and phone number of
>the Filipino Pacu supplier Dennis just returned from vacation
> Gerry you have a strange way of influencing friends by making
>enemies of them. First you Insult Arlos then you tried Me,
>Mark,Kriss,Conrad ,Steve and his blood kin. Your a regular bull in a
>china cabinet. You called true combat veterans cowards because they
>already have fought in one nasty corporate led war and are cautious
>about entering another. You call them pacifist communists for these
>views .
> You fake. If you hate that much why don't you just grab a gun and
>shoot the closest person that CLAIMS to hold the Ideals you hate.Now You
>Claim to be a Christian and because you are from Utah You Are Most
>likely LDS as am I Right ! Quick! Get your Gun and cock it, go to the
>window and get ready because ones coming by. Oh by the way did you Know
>that your lord preached pacifism his entire life and that he lived a
>communal life style! Yes Jesus was a Communist as are all of his
>prophets by your standards Now quick shoot the closest of his
>followers.No! No! be a man and don't shoot your self in the foot aim
>just a bit higher and do the world a favor. ............One things sure
>your parents wouldn't drown a sick cat. Your proof .
> You come across as the type that buy medals from army surplus while
>claiming to have won them in battel. A blow hard passing gas from both
>ends.......Go blow kisses at you favorite goat
>
> Bruce
>
>
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Subject: Re: Niche markets
From: (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:15:08 -0500 (CDT)
Jenny the cattail root has an outer spongy rind and an inner fibrous
core. The core is what you want. It's kind of like jute rope with
massive amounts of white starch in it. What you do is you take the
cores and you rub them between your hands in a bucket of water. The
starch falls to the bottom of the water. The ropey fiber is picked out.
You drain off the water and you can use the starch one for one in any
recipe that you use regular flour in. On the top of the plant when it
blooms it has a pollen spike. The pollen is golden. That is also
collected in buckets and used one for one in a flour substitute. The
buds on the roots in the Spring are good starchy vegetables. The new
sprouts under a foot long are great cucumber substitutes. They actually
taste exactly like cucumbers. I'm forgetting something here, but that
should be enough to get you started.
Bruce
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Subject: Re: Pod order
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:31:09 -0500
At 08:26 AM 10/03/2001 -0500, Mick wrote:
>We're getting ready to add our second pod to the greenhouse in the next
>two weeks. Has the group established a means to order such large items
>and get a "group rate"?
>
>Tom and Paula were going to be able to get wholesale prices for us. At
>least that's what I thought I read somewhere. True? or I haven't had my
>morning coffee yet.
>
>I'll be buying one poly tank. 8' diam. (holds about 800 gals)
> one plant tray. 4'x8'x12"
>
>If anyone else is getting ready to purchase these items, would it help
>"the cause" if we ordered thru Tom and Paula and pursued the group
>buying concept?
>
>My biggest concern is shipping costs. With our last tank order, the
>shipping was almost half the cost of the tank. It seems to me that
>group ordering might double the shipping cost.
and Andrei wrote:
>
>The only way to save is to buy a bunch of them yourself and then install
>them as you need them. This way you have some level of discount, plus you
>only pay once for shipping. It will kill your savings account, though :-)
Shipping single units will indeed add more cost to your order. The primary
cost of the shipping is not necessarily the weight, but the amount of space
taken by the products. The tanks and growbeds are generally "stackable" up
to 4 or 5 (maybe 6?) high, increasing the weight, but not the square footage
required on the trucks.
For instance, when asked the difference to ship one or two tanks to
Missouri, the freight was quoted: Shipping would be $85.00 on one and
$145.00 on 2
And the freight for shipping:
> 2 ea. PT-9038 800 gal. tank - black
> 12 ea. PD-4902 grow beds - black
to North Carolina was quoted at $590.00
So there's definitely a price break for quantity on freight costs.
You can purchase direct from Polytank, and I believe they will discount
orders of 10 units or more. We sell at less than retail when purchased
through us, drop-shipped to your location. The tank and growbed price will
be less per item, but freight will remain the same whether bought from
Polytank or through us.
I'll be glad to quote prices if you'll email me directly at
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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Subject: Re: Fwd. AQUAPONICS COURSE
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:42:39 -0500
At 01:09 PM 10/01/2001 EDT, Bob Bird wrote:
>Paula,
>I have a question for you, and I realize you will likely be biased in some
>form or fashion with it. However, I appreciate your wise counsel at this
>time. Here goes: Do you suggest I attend the Bryson City school, or
>purchase yours and Tom's video/manual course? Both are similar in price,
>with the TN school being an investment in 4 days of my time - but it sure
>seems like I would be getting exposed to much...
Bob, this conference has some wonderful presenters, including our
award-winning Bert McLaughlin, in addition to the many other list members
who will be attending. You'll have an opportunity for both formal and
informal networking with experienced and novice growers, and that really has
no dollar value. It's really your decision, but the conference is close to
you, and may not be repeated soon. If you were asking about some other
group, or some other type of meeting, I might try to talk you out of it.
>You may recall, I am the pastor developing a training center on Lookout Mtn
>in northwest GA. Thanks for your counsel/advice. by the way, Deb could not
>recall the name of that youth camp we served in back during the mid 80's in
>your area. Boy, it sure was beautiful there...
Best of luck with your new training area there. I think the work you're
doing will be extremely productive. As for the Ozarks, you are right -- it
sure is beautiful here!
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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Subject: Fwd. - North Carolina Greenhouse Vegetable Growers
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:45:36 -0500
Here you go, folks. Another long-term greenhouse growers association meeting:
>Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 19:16:44 -0400
>From: LeTendre
>To: S & S Aqua Farm
>
>Thanks Paula,
>
>The North Carolina Greenhouse Vegetable Growers will host their Annual
Meeting in
>Raleigh, NC, this month, on October 22 &23. This 2 day event features guest
>speakers, university personnel, exhibitors and greenhouse vegetable producers.
>Considered a necessary attend by professional growers in NC and surrounding
>states. For Information on both The NCGVGA and the conference, call or
email Cathy
>Price, ph. 919-334-0099, or cdprice@bellsouth.net. I have attended this
conference
>every year since 1980.
>
>Jim LeTendre
>Sunny Slope Greenhouses
>734 Sunny Slope Rd.
>Bear Creek, NC 27207
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Subject: Re: Home Power Magazine - Thermo-Electric-Generator (TEG)
From: "Nick"
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:11:50 -0700
The following web site has a thermo-electric article/info, although a bit
dated too (~ 1995). Scroll down the left pane to thermo-electric and go
from there.
http://www.webconx.com/2000/Default.htm
You might also look at:
http://www.hi-z.com/
Their (Hi-Z) site page for their 20 watt module was updated in September of
this year so they must be active. Did not find prices on their page.
Have fun....nick
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From: "bennett"
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 6:46 PM
Subject: Home Power Magazine - Thermo-Electric-Generator (TEG)
> Have any of you gone to this site:
> >> http://www.homepower.com/download2.htm#Solar
>
> and then on to the one about Thermo-Electric-Generator:
> http://www.humboldt1.com/~michael.welch/extras/teg.pdf ?
>
> This article was written in 1993. I'd really like to know more about TEGs
> or see some updates to this article. Anybody know about how they'd work
> with one of the waste oil burners?
> D.
>
>
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Subject: Re: Packaging wholesale basil
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:15:24 -0500
At 07:40 PM 09/03/2001 -0500, Adriana wrote:
>This question is for those of you who have sold basil in institutional
>packages through wholesalers:
>
>What packing type and size did you find works best for basil intended
>for restaurant use? What packaging/handling methods minimize crushing
>while in transit from you to the wholesaler, in the wholesaler's
>warehouses and in transit to the end-user?
Adriana - we shipped in 1# bags in order to conform to the broker's
standards. The bags were placed in styrofoam-lined boxes. In most cases,
we were able to pick-up the used boxes and re-use them for future shipments.
>
>I believe that sealing basil in the bag preserves freshness better
>than open or ventilated bags which are the norm for wholesale basil.
We found that as well, doing a comparison ourselves in the various bags. I
have no idea why other growers would ship in open/ventilated bags, unless
they were assured of a quick-turn on the product.
>But most zipper-type or heat-sealed bags tend to crush the product.
>Are there any other good options, like a reclosable gusseted bag?
>I received one suggestion from another source to go with 8 oz.
>packages vs. 1 #, what do you guys suggest?
We queried our broker about this same possibility -- using 1/2# of product
per bag in order to reduce crushing. Their answer was that the majority of
the product was going into a blender, and they (the broker) preferred not to
have to handle twice as many packages.
We actually had no problem with the 1# per bag even selling direct to
restaurants. They sometimes will use the tips for garnish/decorative
purposes, but the majority of the product (stem and all) goes through a
blender into pesto or other dishes where it makes no difference.
I think the key to selling basil through a broker, grocery, or even direct
to restaurants is to mark the packages with the proper temps at which to
store, and educating the buyer about the special handling required. No
matter how you package it, if they put it in the cooler with the other
produce products, they will draw out a bag of black, mushy product very
quickly.
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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Subject: Re: Hi Paula, Would you like some help?
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:35:59 -0500
At 10:55 AM 10/09/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi Paula,
>I just updated the Web site at
http://aquaponicslibrary.20megsfree.com/Index.htm
>
>As I was going through the Archives I thought that you mite like some help
keeping up so on Oct 4 I srarted making pages. If you like I will send them
to you as an attachment off the list. I will send you more as I can. I have
every day done to now if you want them.
>
>Put it in a folder with the blue line .gif and the button.gif you use in
the archive folder and it should work fine. I am working on to days now.
>
>Thanks for your time
>Thomas L. Short
Thomas - I'll email Jim to see if he can work with what you're doing.
I'll get back to you ASAP.
There's a huge backlog of dates to be put up, and I'm not sure where Jim is
in his work.
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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Subject: RE: Internship in MD
From: "Nelson and Pade"
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:36:11 -0700
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Elina,
Please supply an e-mail address. As you requested, I'd like to reply to you
off-list about your intern inquiry.
Rebecca Nelson
Nelson/Pade Multimedia - Aquaponics Journal
www.aquaponics.com
tel: 209-742-6869 fax: 209-742-4402
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From: aquaponics-request@townsqr.com
[mailto:aquaponics-request@townsqr.com]On Behalf Of Elina Toole
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 8:34 AM
To: aquaponics@townsqr.com
Subject: Internship in MD
Hi folks, I'm wondering if anyone has need of an intern for 3-6 months
while I prepare to enter grad school in Fall 2002? I'm in Baltimore, MD and
am willing to commute w/in an hour radius or possibly relocate for a few
months to areas on the Chesapeake. I am currently finishing up a 2nd B.S.
in biology--will graduate this December. I spent a year volunteering at the
National Aquarium as an aquarist so I am comfortable with different size and
type aquatic systems. I am looking specifically for experience in Aquaponics
though I would also be interested in an Aquaculture opportunity. Please
contact me offlist w/ any referals or interest. Thanks! Elina Toole
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Subject: Re: Home Power Magazine - Thermo-Electric-Generator (TEG)
From: "bennett"
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 00:05:07 -0400
>You might also look at:
>http://www.hi-z.com/
>
I've been reading about the products offered by Hi-Z. It looks like some
sort of unit could effectively be rigged so that it would heat a greenhouse,
including fish water, and run lights, pumps, fans, etc. off DC electricity
produced by the heater. Now if that heater was fueled by used oil, the
whole "Big Chalupa" would be pretty exciting! (Especially since in some
places businesses PAY people to remove the used oil. Can you imagine being
PAYED for the energy your aquaponic set-up is consuming????)
D.
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