Aquaponics Digest - Sat 10/13/01
Message 1: Re: Fwd. AQUAPONICS COURSE
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 2: Re: Fwd. AQUAPONICS COURSE
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 3: Re: Newbie intro & stuff
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 4: Re: Niche markets
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 5: Fwd. Resource - [IBS-GEN] e-seminars
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 6: rock on steve!
from Dan and Sarah King
Message 7:
from Dan and Sarah King
Message 8: Re: Niche markets
from "Chris Jeppesen"
Message 9: Aquaponics list dynamics
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 10: Re: Niche markets
from "Chris Jeppesen"
Message 11: Re: Fw: tilapia abundance
from "Robert Rogers"
Message 12: Re: Pacu and blow hard problem
from pablo obiaga
Message 13: There ain't much market for used greenhouses
from DAVEINBHAM@aol.com
Message 14: Help! : French ciboullette seeding prob
from pablo obiaga
Message 15: Rucula (Italian)
from pablo obiaga
Message 16: Re: Rucula (Italian)
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 17: Re: Rucula (Italian)
from kris book
Message 18: Re: Bed Media - Lava Rock
from (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 19: Re: Niche markets
from (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 20: Re: Pacu and blow hard problem
from (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 21: Re: Niche markets
from (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 22: Re: Newbie intro & stuff
from (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 23: Re: NCSU aquaponics model
from (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 24: Re: Rucula (Italian)
from pablo obiaga
Message 25: Re: Niche markets
from "Gene Batten"
Message 26: (no subject)
from UPJames@aol.com
Message 27: Re: (no subject)
from "gerry magnuson"
Message 28: Re: Rucula (Italian)
from pablo obiaga
Message 29: Re: Pacu and blow hard problem
from pablo obiaga
Message 30: Re: Bed Media - Lava Rock
from "bennett"
Message 31: Re: Rucula (Italian)
from "Chris Jeppesen"
Message 32: Blue poly barrels Grow Beds
from Bill Patrick
Message 33: Re: Fwd. AQUAPONICS COURSE
from Birdnest5@aol.com
Message 34: Re: Fwd. AQUAPONICS COURSE
from Birdnest5@aol.com
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Subject: Re: Fwd. AQUAPONICS COURSE
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 00:41:20 -0500
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I think you just did.
Steve
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Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: Fwd. AQUAPONICS COURSE
Thanks Paula, I haven't yet received my brochure from Mr. Johnson. If =
I haven't received it by middle of next week, I will call him by phone.=20
By the way, how do I post a question or response to the list?=20
Thank you,=20
BOB BIRD=20
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I think you just did.
Steve
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Subject: Re: Fwd. AQUAPONICS =
COURSE
Thanks =
Paula, I haven't=20
yet received my brochure from Mr. Johnson. If I haven't received =
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middle of next week, I will call him by phone.
By the way, how =
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post a question or response to the list?
Thank you,
BOB=20
BIRD
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Subject: Re: Fwd. AQUAPONICS COURSE
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 00:47:43 -0500
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Hi Bob,
I look forward, very much, to meeting you and "yours". I can only say =
that I am envious of your surroundings. I was born a Georgia boy.
I'm so happy that you are going to be at the conference.
Hope all is well.....Steve
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From: Birdnest5@aol.com=20
To: aquaponics@townsqr.com=20
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: Fwd. AQUAPONICS COURSE
Steve,=20
Thank you for your quick reply. Money is not the overall issue , per =
se. We have 22 acres in N.GA mtns I am trying to develop, (road, =
utitities, house, training center...) Land is paid for, and we have =
some outside support and savings. So, I am needing to be wise with =
spending, that's all. I am a Pastor, with a church in NE AL mtns, about =
45 miles south of Chattanooga. Our ouutreach is to those society often =
labels as the least, lost, and forgotten. The GA location, (we are on =
Lookout Mtn in GA-TN-AL corner) will be a church and training center, =
hopefully inspiring and equipping individuals and families to be more =
financially self-sufficient through family-based initiatives. The =
aquaponics project is but one. My family specializes in milling and =
baking. So we will have a bakery, etc. Chattanooga will be our =
population center for wholesaling and retailing.=20
Conference in N.C. will be good introduction for me. I have already =
decided to be there. Waiting for my brochure in the mail right now! =
Thanks for your encouragement! I love the thread, and when I get behind =
for a few days, instead of deleting everything, I painstakeningly read =
every one - this is a good education in itself.=20
BOB BIRD=20
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Hi Bob,
I look forward, very much, to meeting =
you and=20
"yours". I can only say that I am envious of your surroundings. I was =
born a=20
Georgia boy.
I'm so happy that you are going to be =
at the=20
conference.
Hope all is well.....Steve
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From:=20
Birdnest5@aol.com
To: aquaponics@townsqr.com
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 =
10:00=20
AM
Subject: Re: Fwd. AQUAPONICS =
COURSE
Steve, =
Thank you=20
for your quick reply. Money is not the overall issue , per se. =
We=20
have 22 acres in N.GA mtns I am trying to develop, (road, utitities, =
house,=20
training center...) Land is paid for, and we have some outside =
support=20
and savings. So, I am needing to be wise with spending, that's =
all.=20
I am a Pastor, with a church in NE AL mtns, about 45 miles south =
of=20
Chattanooga. Our ouutreach is to those society often labels as =
the=20
least, lost, and forgotten. The GA location, (we are on Lookout =
Mtn in=20
GA-TN-AL corner) will be a church and training center, hopefully =
inspiring and=20
equipping individuals and families to be more financially =
self-sufficient=20
through family-based initiatives. The aquaponics project is but =
one.=20
My family specializes in milling and baking. So we will =
have a=20
bakery, etc. Chattanooga will be our population center for =
wholesaling=20
and retailing.
Conference in N.C. will be good introduction =
for me.=20
I have already decided to be there. Waiting for my =
brochure in the=20
mail right now! Thanks for your encouragement! I love the =
thread,=20
and when I get behind for a few days, instead of deleting everything, =
I=20
painstakeningly read every one - this is a good education in itself.=20
BOB BIRD
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Subject: Re: Newbie intro & stuff
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 00:56:09 -0500
ALLRIGHT!!!
Another newbie recruited into the communicating stage...(Didn't hurt
huh?)...and besides that, he is coming to the conference. Maybe Kevin won't
be as meek as myself ??!! :)
Luv it!
Welcome aboard Kevin.......Steve......See ya'll in NC.
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From: "Kevin Rhoades"
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 11:10 AM
Subject: Newbie intro & stuff
Well, after careful consideration I've decided to confront my phobia
(messagepostophobia) and send something to post with you fine folks. I
think that I have been subscribed to this list for about oh maybe 2 years
now but do not recall ever posting anything. My name is Kevin Rhoades and
I live in La Mesa, CA (San Diego area). I am very interested in Aquaponics
and have been given the elusive 'green light' (spousal agreement) to build
a system. I am actively planning and collecting information on the pieces
needed and will be looking for fish in the mar-april 2002 time frame. I'm
thinking of either Tilapia or Catfish, but Steve S. sounds very happy with
his Pacu so maybe they would be another option. This system will be
integrated into the back yard landscaping design and the greenhouse/covers
will probably be removable (pretty small starter system) as weather here
never gets really severe as it does with many of the folks on this list. I
would also like to include a separate small pond for Duckweed and Red Claw
Crayfish. I plan to use a large photovoltaic panel to generate the
electricity needed for the system because of the power problems here in
So.Cal. For control of the system (temp monitoring, pumps, alarms, etc.) I
will use a homebuilt microcontroller board (I am an electronics engineering
tech.).
I would also like to thank all of the experienced people out there that
take the time to post valuable info that we newbies need to provide us with
the courage and motivation to actually do something.
It's about time to use up some of those frequent flyer miles so I will be
attending the course in N.C. next month (also anxiously awaiting the
brochure).
Cheers, ...K.R...
p.s. - that didn't hurt a bit now did it?
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Subject: Re: Niche markets
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 01:03:50 -0500
Geez Chris,
I don't know. I think the aquatic type. I know that there were 2 types when
I bought mine. One was $2/lb and the other was $2.99/lb. I told the merchant
that I wanted the type that grows in the water. It was the $2.99/lb.
Don't know if this helps.
Steve
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From: "Chris Jeppesen"
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: Niche markets
STEVE
Which type kang kong are you growing? The kind that grows in wet ground or
the aquatic type that grows in shallow water.
I have been playing with one bed that has about 3 inches of water over about
3 inches of pea gravel. It grows really nice water cress. and the pink
Kissers and gold fish init seem to to better than in the big tank.
Chris Jeppesen
> "STEVE SPRING" Re: Niche
marketsDate: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 20:11:01 -0500
>Reply-To: aquaponics@townsqr.com
>
>Hi Mark,
>I'm still doing my Pacu though and my Kang Kong.......just intrigued by
this
>combination. The Pacu are growing just fine and the Kang Kong...WELL, YOU
>JUST WOULDN'T BELIEVE IT!
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Subject: Fwd. Resource - [IBS-GEN] e-seminars
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 04:48:31 -0500
>Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 09:46:58 +0200
>Reply-To: "IBSnet: General Forum on Integrated Bio-Systems"
>
>From: Jacky Foo
>Subject: [IBS-GEN] e-seminars
>To: ET-W1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE
>
>-----Original Message------
>From: Jacky Foo
>
>The proceedings of IBSnet electronic seminars since 1999 are now all available
>via a link at
>http://www.ias.unu.edu/proceedings/icibs/ibs/ibsnet/e-seminar/index.html
>
>pls take a look.
>
>regards
>Jacky Foo
>Electronic extension of IEES Conf. NZ (12 Nov-14 Dec. 2001)
>http://www.ias.unu.edu/proceedings/icibs/iees-nz
>
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Subject: rock on steve!
From: Dan and Sarah King
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 05:59:10 -0500
Couldn't have said it better Steve!!!!!!
This list gets so overwhelmed by the outpouring of sympathy and concern that
we all forget that this is a list about aquaponics. If you have a comment,
pls. submit it to CNN or somewhere else.
I'm not a Nazi, white power advocate or anything like that.......I'd just
like to keep the aquaponics list focusing on aquaponics.
Thanks.......Steve
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Subject:
From: Dan and Sarah King
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 06:33:46 -0500
I am new to the list, could you please explain the problem between
Steve(the guy that runs the list? I'm terrible with names!!)and this other
guy? thanks Freddy
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Subject: Re: Niche markets
From: "Chris Jeppesen"
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 05:18:59 -0700
Conrad
Yes They are Gourqmis. I have heard they are good to eat and grow to about 11 inches long.
There growth rate is not as impressive as the Pacu but more impressive than native blue gill.
My system is a modified S&S. The only difference is my pumps run continuously. The aquatic bed
I mentioned has been getting 1 minute of water every 5 minutes. I've had trouble with my timers
and now it just gets a small stream continuously. (I think the fish like this better).
2 weeks ago I had real nice water cress but it was infested with aphids so I plowed in under
and started over. I had some praying mantis in the green house and I think they eat all my lady
bugs.
Chris Jeppesen
>Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 19:53:29 -0500
> conrad wilkins aquaponics@townsqr.com Re: Niche marketsReply-To:
aquaponics@townsqr.com
>
>Thats a very simple system. Is that just standing water in those beds or is it circulated some
how. And are the Pink Kissers, kissing Gouramis.
>
>intreaged Conrad.
>
>Chris Jeppesen wrote:
>
>> STEVE
>> Which type kang kong are you growing? The kind that grows in wet ground or the aquatic type
that grows in shallow water.
>> I have been playing with one bed that has about 3 inches of water over about 3 inches of pea
gravel. It grows really nice water cress. and the pink Kissers and gold fish init seem to to
better than in the big tank.
>> Chris Jeppesen
>>
>> > "STEVE SPRING" Re: Niche marketsDate: Thu,
11 Oct 2001 20:11:01 -0500
>> >Reply-To: aquaponics@townsqr.com
>> >
>> >Hi Mark,
>>
>> >I'm still doing my Pacu though and my Kang Kong.......just intrigued by this
>> >combination. The Pacu are growing just fine and the Kang Kong...WELL, YOU
>> >JUST WOULDN'T BELIEVE IT!
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> http://Game.37.com/ <--- Free Games
>> http://newJoke.com/ <--- J O K E S ! ! !
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Subject: Aquaponics list dynamics
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 07:21:40 -0500
At 06:33 AM 10/12/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>I am new to the list, could you please explain the problem between
>Steve(the guy that runs the list? I'm terrible with names!!)and this other
>guy? thanks Freddy
Freddy - the "problem" has hopefully been taken off list, and is not germain
to our primary discussion area. I'm sure if you feel it's important that it
can be explained to you...again off-list.
Normal list dynamics are generally more cooperative than they have been of
late, but I think we're returning to that level.
As for Steve "running" the list -- he only appears that way sometimes :>)
Since he gets the mail in digest form, I have all day before he comes back
to me on that!
Paula Speraneo
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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Subject: Re: Niche markets
From: "Chris Jeppesen"
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 05:26:14 -0700
STEVE
Just trying to learn all I can about this. I can't (so far) find seed. The lady at the oriental
store is going to call when she has some but I'm not shure if I can tell the difference either.
I guess if I put it in my aquatic bed and I grows then It is the aquatic type>
Chris Jeppesen
>Geez Chris,
>
>I don't know. I think the aquatic type. I know that there were 2 types when
>I bought mine. One was $2/lb and the other was $2.99/lb. I told the merchant
>that I wanted the type that grows in the water. It was the $2.99/lb.
>
>Don't know if this helps.
>
>Steve
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Chris Jeppesen"
>
>Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 9:24 PM
>Subject: Re: Niche markets
>
>
>STEVE
>Which type kang kong are you growing? The kind that grows in wet ground or
>the aquatic type that grows in shallow water.
>I have been playing with one bed that has about 3 inches of water over about
>3 inches of pea gravel. It grows really nice water cress. and the pink
>Kissers and gold fish init seem to to better than in the big tank.
>Chris Jeppesen
>
>> "STEVE SPRING" Re: Niche
>marketsDate: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 20:11:01 -0500
>>Reply-To: aquaponics@townsqr.com
>>
>>Hi Mark,
>
>>I'm still doing my Pacu though and my Kang Kong.......just intrigued by
>this
>>combination. The Pacu are growing just fine and the Kang Kong...WELL, YOU
>>JUST WOULDN'T BELIEVE IT!
>
>
>
>
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>http://Game.37.com/ <--- Free Games
>http://newJoke.com/ <--- J O K E S ! ! !
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Subject: Re: Fw: tilapia abundance
From: "Robert Rogers"
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 10:36:28 -0400
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From: "David Inselman"
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: tilapia abundance
>
>
>
>
> >
> > Here in south central Kansas our family considers fish a rare
> > treat.
>
> > Miriam
>
> Miriam, Where in Kansas are you? I live in Ponca City, which is North
> Central Oklahoma, up and running and the results are tremendous.
> Maybe we can get together sometime for a fish fry.
>
> David Inselman
>
> Perhaps you could grill that fish, much better for your
cardiovascular system.
I was born in Hutchinson KS.
Bob
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Subject: Re: Pacu and blow hard problem
From: pablo obiaga
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:26:51 -0300
Hi Steve,
Just for the sake of the record ... Could you mesure water temperature
when you came back?
At 20:23 11/10/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi Steve,
>My Pacu "babies" are doing just fine...even though I tried to kill them the
>other day...a long story...but, they survived. Damned Wisconsin
>weather...the 2 days that I decided to take a little mini-vacation was the 2
>days that it decided to freeze...tripped the circuit breaker...lost my
>tomatoes, my hanging plants, my 7 catfish (@$7 ea and a few Tilapia...OH
>WELL...I was really bummed!)
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Hurst, Steve ( China)"
>
>Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 3:17 AM
>Subject: RE: Pacu and blow hard problem
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Subject: There ain't much market for used greenhouses
From: DAVEINBHAM@aol.com
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 13:30:04 EDT
In a message dated 10/13/01 12:09:40 AM Central Daylight Time,
aquaponics-digest-request@townsqr.com writes:
<< Subject: used greenhouse price
From: "Hiromi Iwashige"
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 12:25:52 -0500
There is a 40' x100' greenhouse available about 20 miles from here. It
is to be moved. All the heating and cooling equipment is included for a
price of $8000. Can someone tell me if this is a reasonable price? It was
previously used for growing tomatoes. It has a pipe-frame structure with
wood frame-lexan end walls and is covered with inflated poly. It has 3'
side walls.
Miriam Iwashige>>>
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Miriam,
The price you mention sounds way too high to me.
>From my experience I suggest that first thing to do is find out who made the
greenhouse. Is the company still in business ? Will they sell you spare parts
? I gurrantee you will loose and damage more parts than you can imagine
moving a greenhouse. Been there, done that.
Next, determine,if you can,why the present owner of the greenhouse wants to
be rid of it. It may well be they are looking at a possible bill of several
thousand dollars to have the greenhouse removed before they can build
something on the site. A few years back, I bought a double wide 80' X 240'
aluminum and glass house for $5000. It was from a cutflower operation that
had gone bankrupt and the new owners of the property wanted to build
apartments on the site. The construction company figured they would net $4000
from the sanvaged aluminum. So they came out a kilobuck ahead dealing with me.
It eventually cost about $80K to buy, tear down & reassemble a 40' X 100'
greenhouse from some of the parts because the original manufacturer was no
longer in business and many of the parts broken and or lost in dismantling
the greenhouse had to be fabricated in a local machine shop.
I suggest you offer to tear down and remove the greenhouse for free... if the
origional manufacturer is still in business. Otherwise offer to remove it
when they pay you $500.
As a good rule of thumb, there ain't much market for used greenhouses.
Let us know how you come out on this deal.
Regards,
Dave
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Subject: Help! : French ciboullette seeding prob
From: pablo obiaga
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 15:15:47 -0300
Hi, Guys:
I've been sawing ciboullete (seeds from 2 different sources) There's good
market for it. I can't get any plants. They don't germinate.
Are they to be vernalized like spinachs?
Thanks,
Pablo
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Subject: Rucula (Italian)
From: pablo obiaga
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 15:18:56 -0300
Hi again:
Has anybody experienced with Rucula in acuaponic beds?
Pablo
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Subject: Re: Rucula (Italian)
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 13:34:00 -0500
Pablo,
This is also known as arugula and it grows awesome in hydro. However,
it grows best in cooler temperatures. When it gets up above 85
degrees F it is not very happy.
> Has anybody experienced with Rucula in acuaponic beds?
As to ciboullete - I think this is chives or "cebollina". If so, it
generally is slow to germinate. When I lived in Florida I had a
terrible time getting it to grow....I later found out I had a bad
batch of seed. Try seeding some covered and some not...there is mixed
literature on whether it needs darkness to germinate.
Adriana
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Subject: Re: Rucula (Italian)
From: kris book
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 13:03:02 -0600
Whenever I have seeds that won't germinate, I put them in dark, moist,
warm
(80-85 F) place. I use a moist paper towel on a plate in the cupboard
near the water heater. If you put a piece of plastic wrap over the paper
towel, it will stay moist better.
kris
On Sat, 13 Oct 2001 13:34:00 -0500 "gutierrez-lagatta"
writes:
> Pablo,
> This is also known as arugula and it grows awesome in hydro.
> However,
> it grows best in cooler temperatures. When it gets up above 85
> degrees F it is not very happy.
>
> > Has anybody experienced with Rucula in acuaponic beds?
>
> As to ciboullete - I think this is chives or "cebollina". If so,
> it
> generally is slow to germinate. When I lived in Florida I had a
> terrible time getting it to grow....I later found out I had a bad
> batch of seed. Try seeding some covered and some not...there is
> mixed
> literature on whether it needs darkness to germinate.
>
> Adriana
>
>
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Subject: Re: Bed Media - Lava Rock
From: (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 14:28:05 -0500 (CDT)
Geoff
Most lava rock makes for a superior bacteria bed
Bruce
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Subject: Re: Niche markets
From: (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 14:39:20 -0500 (CDT)
Chris just get the Kangkong fresh and use it for cuttings directly into
your grow bed
Bruce
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Subject: Re: Pacu and blow hard problem
From: (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 15:01:49 -0500 (CDT)
Pablo I talked to Steve yesterday and he told me the water temp dropped
to
60 degrees Fahrenheit
and the pacu did fine
Bruce
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Subject: Re: Niche markets
From: (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 15:24:59 -0500 (CDT)
Conrad you don't have to dry cattail roots. Infact Its far easier to
work with wet to process into flour.
As for the Tropical fish The markets are begging for US raised
tropicals right now Its been a bad growing year in Florida Tropical fish
wise and stores are worrying about supplies many are simply not
available and because of higher shipping costs NOW IS THE TIME TO
ENTER THIS INDUSTRY and the fish are no problem to breed
Bruce
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Subject: Re: Newbie intro & stuff
From: (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 15:32:45 -0500 (CDT)
Kevin If you can dig a shalow pond of about 18 inches in depth no
smaller then 10X10 feet but bigger if posible for the red claws and grow
watercress in it for shade Bruce
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Subject: Re: NCSU aquaponics model
From: (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 15:46:54 -0500 (CDT)
Miriam This list is run by S-S type system folks but you will find that
you can use any water body and hook any type of Hydropoic system to it
and it works great!!!! My systems not S-S and the surface Aquaponics are
not ether
The S-S system just comes out of the box so to speak so you know that
it works when you spend your money.
Bruce
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Subject: Re: Rucula (Italian)
From: pablo obiaga
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 18:31:32 -0300
Thanks Kris
I'll experiment your tecnique too. If I can find out how too do it it may
mean good money.
Pablo
At 13:03 13/10/01 -0600, you wrote:
>Whenever I have seeds that won't germinate, I put them in dark, moist,
>warm
>(80-85 F) place. I use a moist paper towel on a plate in the cupboard
>near the water heater. If you put a piece of plastic wrap over the paper
>towel, it will stay moist better.
>
>kris
>
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Subject: Re: Niche markets
From: "Gene Batten"
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 19:47:07 -0400
Bruce,
Your comments below attracted my attention. I have no experience with
tropical fish so I may be asking some dumb questions.
Just how sure are you about your comments? Do you have experience? How would
someone "enter" this industry? What are the profit potentials? Why has it
been a "bad year" in Florida for tropical fish?
Thanks for any info you have time to share.
...Gene
> As for the Tropical fish The markets are begging for US raised
> tropicals right now Its been a bad growing year in Florida Tropical fish
> wise and stores are worrying about supplies many are simply not
> available and because of higher shipping costs NOW IS THE TIME TO
> ENTER THIS INDUSTRY and the fish are no problem to breed
> Bruce
>
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Subject: (no subject)
From: UPJames@aol.com
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 19:44:37 EDT
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Hi
I am brand new to the list and will be building a system this coming spring.
My system will be a 750 gal rd tank with three 4x8 growing beds in a solar
heated greenhouse. If anyone knows how to build or design and uses a screen
filter for removing solids I would appreciate any suggestions pro or con. I
want to raise Yellow Perch and if anyone has any experience with this species
in an aquaponics system I would like to find out if you were successful or
not.
I live in the beautiful Upper Peninsula of Michigan and have been raising
fish (Trout) for 32 years for the state of Michigan. 22 of those years as a
Fish Cultural Forman at a state fish hatchery in Marquette Mi. I will be
retiring in two years and would like to try and combine the two things I
enjoy most, raising fish and organic gardening.
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Hi
I am brand new to the list and will be building a system this coming spring. My system will
be a 750 gal rd tank with three 4x8 growing beds in a solar heated greenhouse. If anyone knows
how to build or design and uses a screen filter for removing solids I would appreciate any
suggestions pro or con. I want to raise Yellow Perch and if anyone has any experience with this
species in an aquaponics system I would like to find out if you were successful or not.
I live in the beautiful Upper Peninsula of Michigan and have been raising fish (Trout) for
32 years for the state of Michigan. 22 of those years as a Fish Cultural Forman at a state fish
hatchery in Marquette Mi. I will be retiring in two years and would like to try and combine the
two things I enjoy most, raising fish and organic gardening.
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Subject: Re: (no subject)
From: "gerry magnuson"
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 13:51:09 -1000
you may try the virginia tech website, as they are starting a yellow perch
project in saltville, va...dr. flick is in charge...
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Subject: Re: Rucula (Italian)
From: pablo obiaga
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 21:19:43 -0300
At 13:34 13/10/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Pablo,
>This is also known as arugula and it grows awesome in hydro. However,
>it grows best in cooler temperatures. When it gets up above 85
>degrees F it is not very happy.
So I guess I've found what I need as a winter crop. Rucula is delicious
whith pear slices as thin as chips and thick parmiggiano grinds.
>
>As to ciboullete - I think this is chives or "cebollina".
Our "cebollina" is usually onion plantlets that don't make it to the field
and are sold that way. Ciboullete is milder and ment to be consumed that
way. Its onion is tiny. We call it as the french to differentiate it form
our's. Freshcut is sold in supermarkets 5dollar a pound. I recall now a
British lady calling it chives so probably we are talking the same plant.
I'll take your advice.
Thanks Adriana,
Pablo
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Subject: Re: Pacu and blow hard problem
From: pablo obiaga
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 21:19:47 -0300
For the record
60=BAF makes 15,5=BAC, so it didn't go under 15=BAC where the deaths start
according to the Argentinian repport. Anyway I think their conditions were
repeated several nights. I want that kind of winter.
PAblo
At 15:01 13/10/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Pablo I talked to Steve yesterday and he told me the water temp dropped
>to
> 60 degrees Fahrenheit
>and the pacu did fine
> Bruce
>
>
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Subject: Re: Bed Media - Lava Rock
From: "bennett"
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 21:10:45 -0400
> Most lava rock makes for a superior bacteria bed
> Bruce
>
MOST ??? lava rock??? So, apparently, all lava rock is not created equal?
What kind of lava rock would be the best to search for for the purpose of
buying it to put in an aquaponic recirc system?
D.
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Subject: Re: Rucula (Italian)
From: "Chris Jeppesen"
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 18:21:08 -0700
Pablo
When I start chives I put the soil in a flat about 1 1/2 inches deep then when the seed is sewn
and covered with soil I soak it all with fish water. I then put the flat in another box about 3
1/2 inches deep and cover it with glass that is 50% shaded with lime. On hot days i turn the
glass so that ihave some vent space in the corners but i cover it tight at night. Usually they
are ready to transplant before I need to water it more. When i do basil this way I plant on
monday and transplant the next saturday. Chives are a lot slower.
Chris Jeppesen
>Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 21:19:43 -0300
> aquaponics@townsqr.com pablo obiaga Re: Rucula (Italian)Reply-To:
aquaponics@townsqr.com
>
>At 13:34 13/10/01 -0500, you wrote:
>>Pablo,
>>This is also known as arugula and it grows awesome in hydro. However,
>>it grows best in cooler temperatures. When it gets up above 85
>>degrees F it is not very happy.
>
>So I guess I've found what I need as a winter crop. Rucula is delicious
>whith pear slices as thin as chips and thick parmiggiano grinds.
>
>>
>>As to ciboullete - I think this is chives or "cebollina".
>
>Our "cebollina" is usually onion plantlets that don't make it to the field
>and are sold that way. Ciboullete is milder and ment to be consumed that
>way. Its onion is tiny. We call it as the french to differentiate it form
>our's. Freshcut is sold in supermarkets 5dollar a pound. I recall now a
>British lady calling it chives so probably we are talking the same plant.
>I'll take your advice.
>
>Thanks Adriana,
> Pablo
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Subject: Blue poly barrels Grow Beds
From: Bill Patrick
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 22:14:37 -0400
Gosh, long time no post.
Hey, anybody have any thoughts on using blue poly barrels cut in halves
(long ways) or shallower for grow beds? I just got four for free and
can probably get as many as I want. Seems to me they would make good
cheap durable beds with the down side of additional pumping. Most grow
bed designs I've seen are flat bottomed, these of course would have
semicircular bottoms. Other than the additional plumbing anybody see
any more possible negatives? Anybody have experience using them for
beds (can't believe I'd be the first one)? Can't beat the price!
Bill
"Brakes? Who needs 'em? When in doubt - ACCELERATE!"
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Subject: Re: Fwd. AQUAPONICS COURSE
From: Birdnest5@aol.com
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 23:04:02 EDT
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In a message dated 10/12/2001 11:34:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
writes:
> My last suggestion is to research all the permits your state is going to
>
Thanks Mick, I had no idea I was going out over the airwaves all over the
world with those posts. However, after reading the list for the past 2
months or so, it sounds like a great bunch to join.
Permits are my next order of business. So busy with leading an Outreach
Center in AL and trying to develop the N. GA property... However, I plan on
taking in the Bryson City conference.
Bob
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In a message dated 10/12/2001 11:34:26 AM
Eastern Daylight Time, writes:
My last suggestion is to research all the permits your
state is going to
require.
Thanks Mick, I had no idea I was going out over the airwaves all over the world with those
posts. However, after reading the list for the past 2 months or so, it sounds like a
great bunch to join.
Permits are my next order of business. So busy with leading an Outreach Center in AL
and trying to develop the N. GA property... However, I plan on taking in the Bryson City
conference.
Bob
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Subject: Re: Fwd. AQUAPONICS COURSE
From: Birdnest5@aol.com
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 23:24:15 EDT
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Steve,
What area are you from? I'm still in my home city of Atlanta, (4.2 million)
until Cloudland Canyon property is developed and built on. Needing a road,
utilities, etc. Very rugged there. Bear Creek is our stream through
property, and it is in a protected watershed. As it leaves our property, it
begins forming the canyon - very beautiful, (and very angry when it rains for
a while...)
BOB
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Steve,
What area are you from? I'm still in my home city of Atlanta, (4.2 million) until
Cloudland Canyon property is developed and built on. Needing a road, utilities, etc.
Very rugged there. Bear Creek is our stream through property, and it is in a
protected watershed. As it leaves our property, it begins forming the canyon - very
beautiful, (and very angry when it rains for a while...)
BOB
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