Aquaponics Digest - Thu 10/18/01
Message 1: RE: comments & questions from a newbie lurker
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 2: RE: pfiesteria
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 3: UV sterilization
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 4: u.v.
from "Marc Laberge"
Message 5: RE: UV sterilization
from "Chris Mills"
Message 6: Re: pfiesteria
from "Brent Bingham"
Message 7: Re: I need a drink
from Mick
Message 8: Re: I need a drink
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 9: interesting catalogue entry
from "Devon Williams"
Message 10: Re: UP perch
from UPJames@aol.com
Message 11: Re: I need a drink
from UPJames@aol.com
Message 12: Chris/Kang Kong
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 13: Re: I need a drink
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 14: Re: I need a drink
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 15: kang kong
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 16: Re: I need a drink
from conrad wilkins
Message 17: heat in tank
from "Steven Medlock"
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Subject: RE: comments & questions from a newbie lurker
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 01:49:39 -0500
hello Steve,
I've never doubted the quality of ken's fish. What I am concerned about
though is losses in fish transported over long distances. Besides my
supplier, there are many who come through the area including a breeder
from Iowa that is one of the largest in the country. He has his share of
awards and I am sure his breeding stock is first rate. But every farmer
I talked to told me to stay with our breeder. They had all tried these
fish marketed as the best...and all had high losses do to either
the fish being to stressed from all the travel or they were just not as
hardy as the local fish. If you saw the old boy I get my fish from,
you would know he doesn't care about awards...just good fish...lol.
The best rabbits that I've ever had never came from "champion" stock....
they came from an 78 year old farmer who had raised them for most of
his life. I also feel good about keeping as much of the money that I
spend right here as I can....no offense to out of state breeders...
I just like helping my neighbors...it's what it's all about.
There are very few states in this part of the country that don't have
good breeders....(at least for hybrid bluegill, striped bass etc.)
peace...
mark
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Don't want to step on the other Mark's toes, but we have spoken before so I
hope he doesn't mind.. Mark is very happy with the hybrid bluegills that he
gets & that is wonderful. I thought about buying from his supplier. Because
he is close...Indiana. But, by the time that I put in my travel time (gas,
time, etc. not to mention the cost of the bluegill hybrids), I figured that
I could buy from Ken's cheaper. I also asked Mark if his supplier had ever
won any awards for a world class hybrid.
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Subject: RE: pfiesteria
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 02:46:22 -0500
Mark
Do you or anyone else use UV or ozone in your systems. If so how??
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Hi Conrad,
I don't use either yet as part of my recirculating system but I am going
to be soon. UV is more practical in this regard. You just keep
it clean and periodically replace the lamp. Ozone is more difficult
to work with in this area. I do however give my produce a brief
soaking in ozonated water. It keeps very well and I know it's clean.
I already had the ozone unit for using on my drinking water. The
better made aquarium/aquaculture ozone units can be expensive. They have
been used in many of the large public marine aquariums for years. I need
to look back, but Arlos offered a lot of info in this area (it is his
profession). If I dig up something you may be interested in, I'll pass it on.
here are a couple of decent pages. Properly used, disinfection methods
can greatly reduce the spread of disease from fish to fish and also
protect producers and consumers from potential harm. This is important
from a liability standpoint as well as a hygenic one.
UV info
http://www.waterknowledge.com/pro_uv.htm
Sanitation Practices for Aquaculture Facilities
http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/BODY_AE081
mark
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Subject: UV sterilization
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 07:14:07 -0500
I participated in a workshop a couple of years ago sponsored by The
Freshwater Institute ( an affiliate of The Nature Conservancy) in
which we set up a recirculating trout system for the Keyser Votech
High School in Keyser West Virginia. Part of the system included a UV
sterilization component. If I recall it was an expensive piece of
equipment. I suspect you can buy it from Aquatic Ecosystems
www.aquatic-eco.com.
Adriana
> Do you or anyone else use UV or ozone in your systems. If so how??
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Subject: u.v.
From: "Marc Laberge"
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:43:19 -0400
I have been using U.V. for my trout aquaponic research facility for many
years and swear by it. Yes U.V.'s are extremely expensive. You must have
properly filtered water in order for the lamps to be effective. All this
amounts to a very expensive system and is not for everyone.
I can tell when my bulbs have a problem; the fish develop fungus on their
fins , once the problem fixed, the fungus caused by bacteria disappears. Jim
Rakocy suggested that I do not use ultra violet to me a few years ago; he
said there are enough good bacteria in the system to keep it working fine,
but we are working different fish, systems and temperatures.
Oh by the way if anybody is interested my friend made me a web page very
basic stuff in French , for his cyber paper.
http://www3.sympatico.ca/monttremblantrental/marc.html
Marc Laberge
Mont Tremblant
Quebec , Canada
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Subject: RE: UV sterilization
From: "Chris Mills"
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:37:36 -0500
UV sterilization is somewhat expensive but I would not call it outrageous.
It all depends on the application and the UV intensity required. I can get
most size UV Sterilizers for a pretty good price. If you need help sizing
one or looking for a price email me off list at cmills@beadfilters.com.
Chris
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From: aquaponics-request@townsqr.com
[mailto:aquaponics-request@townsqr.com]On Behalf Of gutierrez-lagatta
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:14 AM
To: aquaponics@townsqr.com
Subject: UV sterilization
I participated in a workshop a couple of years ago sponsored by The
Freshwater Institute ( an affiliate of The Nature Conservancy) in
which we set up a recirculating trout system for the Keyser Votech
High School in Keyser West Virginia. Part of the system included a UV
sterilization component. If I recall it was an expensive piece of
equipment. I suspect you can buy it from Aquatic Ecosystems
www.aquatic-eco.com.
Adriana
> Do you or anyone else use UV or ozone in your systems. If so how??
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Subject: Re: pfiesteria
From: "Brent Bingham"
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 08:07:58 -0700
Every 4 hours we cycle the tanks through a large set of used swimming pool
filters we picked up from the city pool when they remolded. As the filtered
water returns to the tanks it goes through a uv ozone contact tank, then on
to the smallest fish.
Brent
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From: "conrad wilkins"
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: pfiesteria
> Mark
> Do you or anyone else use UV or ozone in your systems. If so how??
>
> cheers Conrad.
>
> Mark Allen Wells wrote:
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> > Robert,
> >
> > This is why our good (and very knowledgable) friend, Arlos was an
advocate
> > of things like UV and ozone in closed loop systems. Thanks for the
links.
> > Having worked in municipal wastewater treatment many years ago, I
appreciate
> > being reminded of the unseen potential dangers that we often overlook.
> >
> > Mark
>
>
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Subject: Re: I need a drink
From: Mick
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 11:45:13 -0500
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> My tilapia readily eat lettuce, green bean plants and most leafy
> vegetables.
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> Here's a tip for making tilapia food from produce:
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Well heck.. just when you think you get something figured out.. ya don't
know diddly again. My latest batch of homemade frozen floating fish
food doesn't gosh darnit FLOAT!
To top it off, my homemade compost heater for the greenhouse decided to
pick last night to go inactive just as the temperature dropped to the
forties.
I hate this frapping learning curve. Think I'll stick to being a
musician, at least I won't be having to think up recipes to feed fish or
shovel manure into a composter at midnight.
As me dear ole Irish Da' was fond of saying, "Pass the scotch, daughter,
we'll tell better tales the 'morrow".
Mick
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Subject: Re: I need a drink
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 11:44:17 -0500
Hang in there Mick. One thing you'll learn is that problems NEVER
happen one at a time. They always come in multiples, often as a
result of a chain reaction. And of course, your alarms will ALWAYS go
aff at 2:30 in the morning...
We'll drink with you,
Adriana
> Well heck.. just when you think you get something figured out.. ya
don't
> know diddly again.
> As me dear ole Irish Da' was fond of saying, "Pass the scotch,
daughter,
> we'll tell better tales the 'morrow".
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Subject: interesting catalogue entry
From: "Devon Williams"
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 14:37:07 -0400
Hi folks,
I was checking out the latest Delta Education catalogue and came across a
"Mini Aquaponic System". It can be found at the address below. I think
it's great that this is becoming more mainstream in public education. It is
interesting to see that this system uses a filter as well as the plants
floating in the tank.
Just a little FYI.
https://ecustomer.delta-education.com/search/product.asp?part_no=010-5036
Devon Williams
Beer Belly Brothers Brewing
Watkinsville, GA
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Subject: Re: UP perch
From: UPJames@aol.com
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 17:14:08 EDT
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Hi
I would be very interested in how Yellow Perch do in your system. Please keep
me informed of your progress. I was wondering if you are using or will use
some type of filter to remove solids from your water before applying it on
the beds. If not what type of media and how often will you have to clean it?
Also will you be getting your fish locally and at what size?
Thanks for replying.
Jim
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Hi
I would be very interested in how Yellow Perch do in your system. Please keep me informed
of your progress. I was wondering if you are using or will use some type of filter to remove
solids from your water before applying it on the beds. If not what type of media and how often
will you have to clean it? Also will you be getting your fish locally and at what size?
Thanks for replying.
Jim
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Subject: Re: I need a drink
From: UPJames@aol.com
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 17:25:17 EDT
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Hi Mick,
I use to feed Sturgeon with brine shrimp by hatching the shrimp and then
freezing them in ice cube trays. Then I took a a piece of Styrofoam and cut
into a square with the center removed. I then attached a piece of screen to
the bottom. You can put the ice cubes into this and it will float and slowly
release the shrimp. You can use screen with larger mesh size for different
sizes of food.
Hope this helps.
Jim
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Hi
Mick,
I use to feed Sturgeon with brine shrimp by hatching the shrimp and then freezing them in
ice cube trays. Then I took a a piece of Styrofoam and cut into a square with the center
removed. I then attached a piece of screen to the bottom. You can put the ice cubes into this
and it will float and slowly release the shrimp. You can use screen with larger mesh size for
different sizes of food.
Hope this helps.
Jim
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Subject: Chris/Kang Kong
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 17:47:00 -0500
Hi Chris,
I know you are out there.I have your address. I just don't get very much
done when I'm on these marathon work runs. I will get your Kang Kong out to
you on Monday. I will probably send it next day mail. Don't worry about
paying me. The gentleman who helped me didn't charge me. So, maybe you won't
charge the next person. Just remember, cut, transplant, cut, transplant,
cut, transplant. Within a month or so you will have tons of this stuff. It
actually taste good.
Later......Steve
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Subject: Re: I need a drink
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 18:01:49 -0500
Luv it Mick,
So I'm not the only one who screws up? My inexhaustible supply of fresh food
just went to "0". The manager of Food Processing stepped in & wanted to know
the name of my supervisor. SO MUCH FOR THAT IDEA! Damn, I hate hospitals.
Why is there a nursing, therapist, etc. shortage? Because all managers have
to take and pass "A..hole 101" and max the course.
No wonder they pay us so much money in this business...we have to take so
much managerial crap...THERE, I FEEL BETTER!
Long live Pacu and Kang Kong!....Steve
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From: "Mick"
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: I need a drink
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> My tilapia readily eat lettuce, green bean plants and most leafy
> vegetables.
>
> Here's a tip for making tilapia food from produce:
>
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Well heck.. just when you think you get something figured out.. ya don't
know diddly again. My latest batch of homemade frozen floating fish
food doesn't gosh darnit FLOAT!
To top it off, my homemade compost heater for the greenhouse decided to
pick last night to go inactive just as the temperature dropped to the
forties.
I hate this frapping learning curve. Think I'll stick to being a
musician, at least I won't be having to think up recipes to feed fish or
shovel manure into a composter at midnight.
As me dear ole Irish Da' was fond of saying, "Pass the scotch, daughter,
we'll tell better tales the 'morrow".
Mick
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Subject: Re: I need a drink
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 18:05:19 -0500
RE: "I need a drink."
Sorry for espousing personal feelings. I chastise people for doing this and
now I do it, but sometimes, doggone it, everytime you try to do something
worthwhile there is some manager looking for "brownie points" or some
government agency in your way. Dadgum it anyway...Again sorry......Steve
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From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: I need a drink
Hang in there Mick. One thing you'll learn is that problems NEVER
happen one at a time. They always come in multiples, often as a
result of a chain reaction. And of course, your alarms will ALWAYS go
aff at 2:30 in the morning...
We'll drink with you,
Adriana
> Well heck.. just when you think you get something figured out.. ya
don't
> know diddly again.
> As me dear ole Irish Da' was fond of saying, "Pass the scotch,
daughter,
> we'll tell better tales the 'morrow".
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Subject: kang kong
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 18:11:03 -0500
Hi Gang,
Well, back to basics. Tonight, I cut some sprouts and placed most in my
grow beds but I experimented and placed some in my tanks with styrofoam
floats and beads. We'll see what does best. I will keep the list informed.
Getting another 50 Pacu this Monday hopefully. These are supposed to be 3"
long. Should be interesting.
Later all and LOL...See ya'll in NC......Steve
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Subject: Re: I need a drink
From: conrad wilkins
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 16:27:45 -0500
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Would it also be possible to put the food in a mesh bag thats suspended
in the water.
Conrad
UPJames@aol.com wrote:
> Hi Mick,
> I use to feed Sturgeon with brine shrimp by hatching the shrimp and
> then freezing them in ice cube trays. Then I took a a piece of
> Styrofoam and cut into a square with the center removed. I then
> attached a piece of screen to the bottom. You can put the ice cubes
> into this and it will float and slowly release the shrimp. You can use
> screen with larger mesh size for different sizes of food.
> Hope this helps.
> Jim
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Would it also be possible to put the food in a mesh bag thats suspended
in the water.
Conrad
UPJames@aol.com wrote:
Hi Mick,
I use to feed Sturgeon with
brine shrimp by hatching the shrimp and then freezing them in ice cube
trays. Then I took a a piece of Styrofoam and cut into a square with the
center removed. I then attached a piece of screen to the bottom. You can
put the ice cubes into this and it will float and slowly release the shrimp.
You can use screen with larger mesh size for different sizes of food.
Hope this helps.
Jim
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Subject: heat in tank
From: "Steven Medlock"
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 20:44:31 -0500
First thanks to Kris for the light info, I think I get it.
Brent I think I have a clue on what you are doing can you help me with more
detail and where you got the thermostat bulb thing. I will be running
strait off my gas boiler. It sounds like you have a good plan. Thanks for
the help.
Steve(red)
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